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Facebook, Google and Other Silicon Valley Companies Side with Samsung in Patent Case
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Um Apple's products were inspired by Braun - which Jony Ive has no problems admitting. Ive does not hide the fact Rams influenced him.
The difference is that Braun's products came out when The Beatles existed and don't compete with Apple. The radio came out in the 50s for goodness sake!
So many people are butthurt over this, why don't they get butthurt over Samsung and Google wholesale ripping Apple off?
I agree. There is a form for function however, and recently the Apple critics and general populous have stated that Apple is putting form over function. If the competition, as far as iPhone goes anyway, wants to make a difference and give longer battery life. Everyone (that I know) is complaining phones are too thin and would prefer batterylife. Make an iPhone 4 with a larger screen and better battery life. That was an iconic design, which no one copied (from what I know). It was strong, beautiful and basically astronomically started iPhone sales growth.
So, the competition never took what was the best form factor, added the best screen size, with the best/newest internals... No one actually copied Apple's best recipe. So I say there's been no copying. Why not copy the best?
Apple is racing to cheaper parts with upgrades to internals to stay competitive (at the best cost), and competitors are doing the same. In the same way. No distinguishing between brands at this point. Even the adds are similar, which I find boring now.
Yes with parts from a whole host of suppliers such as Intel, Samsung, Seagate, Western Digital etc. etc.
BOOM! You can do the same with Sony and Samsung.
Oh, and @thekeyring. I can go to the Samsung website and buy myself a fridge and a TV too. What’s your point? I can imagine the iFridge into which you can only fit a single oversized slice of Ryvita. Edgeways.
You posted pitures of seperate devices, which run seperate operating systems and to my eyes look quite different. Especially when my new Landrover Discovery is parked next to my wife's Jeep Trailhawk. Very similar. If you are going to imply that screw placement and internals or materials used is copying, I agree. If you are going by pictures that, in real life would clearly know the brand by looking, I do not agree.
Last year some people knew I had an iPhone 5S instead of a 5 because of the change in the home button. Without me asking. Yet you proclaim totally different designs could be mistaken? I don't think your pictures that show totally different devices noticeable over the Internet provide for your reasoning.
Picasso's quote and Steve's point was that you see beyond the copy and steal the idea that the original did not see or could not see to its fullest.
With rare exception, every dullard on the Internet never seems to grasp the difference.
I can't say I agree with how the patent system is being used here, but if that's all Apple has to protect its intellectual property, then this is how it has to be. As others have noted, Apple is doing the product development for an entire industry and I can't imagine how crushing that must be for the company/employees to see their work appropriated by other corporations.
Thing to bear in mind here, is - the Whitehouse is practically staffed by "ex-Google" employees (watch where they go when this administration exits - back to Google??). Just as Bezos' huge CIA data contracts and ownership of THE Washington Newspaper conveniently brought down his only competitor in the eBook case, you can bet it is Google that's actually prosecuting this case, now from the highest halls of government. This case was always seen as the precursor to taking down Google for its theft of Apple's intellectual property—and that will be protected by Google, from the Whitehouse itself, at-all-costs!
Thing to bear in mind here, is - the Whitehouse is practically staffed by "ex-Google" employees (watch where they go when this administration exits - back to Google??). Just as Bezos' huge CIA data contracts and ownership of THE Washington Newspaper conveniently brought down his only competitor in the eBook case, you can bet it is Google that's actually prosecuting this case, now from the highest halls of government. This case was always seen as the precursor to taking down Google for its theft of Apple's intellectual property—and that will be protected by Google, from the Whitehouse itself, at-all-costs!
Absolutely correct. They all feed of each other, it's a dog eat dog world and people need to wake up and smell the coffee. Some people treat Apple like Royalty - they aren't, they are simply a tech company like Samsung and a host of others.
Why do people care if these companies 'borrow' from each others designs. I couldn't care less where the company is based be that for tax reasons or loyalty could be the USA, UK or Timbuktu, again who cares.
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No I and others are pointing out that Apple is hypocritical in accusing others of copying when they have a long standing tradition of doing it themselves. The date thing is a red herring as I've seen quite a few things appear on Macs long after they appeared in Windows or on PCs. In fact I only moved over to Macs after they had taken enough of the good ideas from other companies to make the switch worthwhile.
I notice you conveniently ignored my post with Steve Jobs saying in a video interview "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas".
I agree. You steal the idea that the original moved passed. Pick up on what was best.
Yeah and I'm sure sure if Facebook, Dell, HP and the rest of these companies sided with Apple you'd be singing nothing but praise for them.
Apple never copies anybody...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06/everybody-copies-everyone-ios-9-features-inspired-by-android/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06/everybody-copies-everyone-ios-9-features-inspired-by-android/
I'm failing to see how that somehow would justify getting ones self all worked up over something that isn't even technically all bad seeing as Apple is about to make more money. Which for a shareholder would actually be some good news. So maybe "forget" wasn't the word you were really looking for.
Being a true shareholder is about much more than just short term profits. There is something seriously wrong in patent law and because of a small number of " bad players", the rest needs to play the same game or lose their technology, market share and customer base.
So, while in the short term this might make Apple some more money, in the long term it helps perpetuate a practice that is bad for the entire industry. As such I do not like this at all. An overhaul of patent law is necessary and it is needed now.
You do know that U.S. Politicians care right? Is a lobbying point. Really nothing more to be honest.
"We could place facilities here.... If..."
It seems that those saying Apple are the ones whose work got copied by Samsung need to look a little deeper into design history and Jonathan Ive's well known influences.
Can we please stop this nonsense? This is a discussion from 2006 and we will not get to any other conclusion that all designer have inspirations and all these companies mimic design aspects from each other.
This is probably THE most embarrassing threads I've ever read on this site.
And you guys criticize my generation for acting like this
And you guys criticize my generation for acting like this
Well, I'm pretty sure that's not accurate.article said:
So when you actually get a ruling in your favor from a jury, except for a math error that seemed to happen, the sense of the jury is supposed to prevail, right? Hmmm?
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Maybe some 'dullards' cannot see how Samsung or whoever are improving on ideas Apple missed. Several very useful improvements to iOS are similar to features I envied in friend's Android phones prior to their being copied by Apple. I have and use a lot of Apple kit and Apple certainly do not see things through to their fullest as some things are simply retarded, even if other things they do are very good indeed.
What all fanbois miss is that all companies come up with smart ideas which gradually filter through into products made by everyone else. Not everything is or even should be patentable. I'm certainly very in favour of patents, but very against their abuse. Which if the ridiculous nature that is too often the case nowadays had been implemented years back, no-one would be able to turn their Company Y phone on via a button as the idea of a button got patented by Company X.
While I might agree with the second part of your post, (deleted in quote). Apple is using the jailbreak community for their R&D on software. I'm hard pressed for tears over this, or any software patent honestly. It's just rearranging words.
The original iPhone OS was nice. Ever since then they have been "stealing" from the jailbreak community to add services to the iPhone. I haven't seen any actual software innovation besides "handoff". It's all jailbreak copies added to iOS.
Disagreeing with me is fine, but please research it.
Umm, not everybody gets a trophy? You innovate, and come up with something original, or you stand on the sidelines and say, "Damn, why didn't our guys think of that?"
Pretty simple concept, really.