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Facebook Lobbying for Option to Make Messenger Default on iOS
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In many Asian countries, with large populations of poverty, Facebook has struck deals with mobile operators to give Facebook "for free" when purchasing mobile data. Now Facebook is "the only way to communicate" for many of these families. They don't even consider other options because Facebook is seen as an all-you-can-eat buffet that is "free". Meanwhile, these consumers' information is being sold to the highest bidder.
Facebook can go suck on a digital lemon.
Facebook can go suck on a digital lemon.
Generally, what I was going to say. Except for SMS/MMS, there's no standard messaging protocol that I know of, at least that has stood the test of time in popularity. Not even iMessage is standard. As mentioned, there's no URL/URI for every message client. Basically, even if Apple isn't opposed, a default messenger isn't a thing anyway. 🤦♂️
EDIT: Or what he said...
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I would never message anyone on Facebook messenger unless it's a really old relative that I'm replying to.
Wait...I thought the Ring camera is supposed to look outside of the house, and not inside? 🤣
not even close. Telegram is even more light years ahead of iMessage. The fact I can reply to certain message, edit, delete (for all parties involved), self destructive messages (I think a few messaging apps have this, but not iMessage), and more in Telegram shows how behind iMessage is. Heck, I was able to pin messages at the top in Telegram for a while, as long as I can remember. Group messages is also 100 times better in Telegram than iMessage.
See the person I quoted below. Sadly WhatsApp is the most popular messaging app out there. People aren’t going to drop what they have because something else came out.
people in the US don’t realize barely anyone outside the US uses iMessage.
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Third-party messaging apps already get fair treatment through Siri and such. What does a default messaging app mean, it receives all your SMS messages?
I don't use Facebook anymore, but I had somebody contact me needing programming assistance and we needed to chat with Facebook Messenger since that is what she used. So I downloaded it on my phone. At the time, I had the limited data plan. A WEEK LATER, I got notices that I was approaching my 3GB limit for the month (I don't do much, I download music and stuff off WiFi and just use it locally when away from the house). The same thing happened the next month. And we did not send THAT many messages. Yet it just ate up my data. So once we were done I deleted the app and never received another warning about usage again.
Interesting. I don’t use Facebook Messenger very much but use another few messenger apps quite a bit including WhatsApp and and one or two others and I only see iMessage chats there.
I think Facebook staff are inhaling too much wildfire smoke, or are running around hyped-up manic on Adderall.
I use an iPhone specifically to KEEP my privacy and to keep my data away from prying companies like Epic, Facebook and others.
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I will forgo customizability if it means privacy is intact.
That’s why we use, and have used, Apple products for a long time. The slogan is “think different” (or was) and in this case: think differently about how you use vs customize your tech vs. giving corporations your data.
Like you said: there is a choice. That choice for you seems to be Android if you need customizability that results in breaking security and sale of your data.
If you don’t like iOS: don’t use it.
If you don’t like Android: don’t use it.
If you don’t like macOS: don’t use it.
If you don’t like Windows: don’t use it.
If you don’t like Ubuntu: don’t use it.
That’s why we use, and have used, Apple products for a long time. The slogan is “think different” (or was) and in this case: think differently about how you use vs customize your tech vs. giving corporations your data.
Like you said: there is a choice. That choice for you seems to be Android if you need customizability that results in breaking security and sale of your data.
If you don’t like iOS: don’t use it.
If you don’t like Android: don’t use it.
If you don’t like macOS: don’t use it.
If you don’t like Windows: don’t use it.
If you don’t like Ubuntu: don’t use it.
browsers and email clients (for the most part) run on web standards and are interoperable. No one wants to give SMS data access to Facebook. That is a clear privacy danger. In Asia I think no one uses iMessages anyway. If you can open an app to send messages and make calls and the system lets you integrate your app with Siri, is a default necessary?
LOL Facebook.
LOL Facebook.
don't get me wrong, I use Telegram as well. A necessary evil in the crypto world. But it is a cest pit, way to easy to scam anyone and pretend to be someone you are not. The funniest were those pretending to be me, a bunch of muppets. But also the number of people setting up an account, putting some vile messages out of there, and then burning it.
It simply isn't secure, it is just a messaging service with all of its flaws. Nothing special and should never in its current form be allowed to cater for official communication.
On another note, as some have already highlighted. It is a pointless argument. Facebook messenger is already the default for Facebook messenger messages
I want iMessage as my default message App. If Messenger is added in a future iOS version then I will change default message App to iMessage, delete Messenger then log into my iTunes account and hide that App. I will then send a iMessage to my family warning them to do the same to protect their privacy.
That's a zuck in a door for potential iZuckOS on iPhones later on. Man the battlestations with your lawyer cannon fodder Tim!
This isn’t Apple’s fault. WhatsApp already has this feature, FB Messenger just hasn’t implemented it yet.
FU Facebook. Whatever else you thought about FB - how they have destroyed viral content so they can make more money for example - it's now worse than ever before.
I just got a 24h ban for a comment saying "I'll beat u up " (with the smileys) or something like that - which was a pun on the original post - a joke.
FB AI police took it as a threat and banned me for 24h from commenting. I appealed of course, because it wasn't a violent threat, it was a joke based on the OP which contained the same sentence. But they have no time now to manually review, or maybe all the real people working there have already left Facebook which wouldn't surprise me either.
I know they're already censoring messenger content too - don't think you can just send messages. You can only send messages when FB artificial intelligence approves.
What sort of messaging platform is that? Well - it's not. Just not.
I've switched to Telegram - since Whatsapp is also controlled by the Molocch.
I just got a 24h ban for a comment saying "I'll beat u up
" (with the smileys) or something like that - which was a pun on the original post - a joke. FB AI police took it as a threat and banned me for 24h from commenting. I appealed of course, because it wasn't a violent threat, it was a joke based on the OP which contained the same sentence. But they have no time now to manually review, or maybe all the real people working there have already left Facebook which wouldn't surprise me either.
I know they're already censoring messenger content too - don't think you can just send messages. You can only send messages when FB artificial intelligence approves.
What sort of messaging platform is that? Well - it's not. Just not.
I've switched to Telegram - since Whatsapp is also controlled by the Molocch.
Well, exactly. If it wasn't for the SMS dependency, I could have deleted iMessage from my phone entirely and never notice the difference.
I am for a much looser app store policy - Apple shouid not decide what I can and cannot see.
But if they're gonna ban anything, ban Facebook, for excessive censorship. Just ban them. And YouTube too. All of these clowns. Let's use alternate platforms that don't censor us. Freedom of speech is the 2nd amendment. Platforms that actively violate this should be banned.
But if they're gonna ban anything, ban Facebook, for excessive censorship. Just ban them. And YouTube too. All of these clowns. Let's use alternate platforms that don't censor us. Freedom of speech is the 2nd amendment. Platforms that actively violate this should be banned.
They'll never get my vote on that and if it ever gets allowed - they'll never get me set it up as default. I'm using it less and less as it is.