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This feels like it's a decade too late. Yikes.

I personally gave up on Facebook about two years ago and deleted my account, but this announcement does remind me of the days where I used to plug a dozen different instant messaging clients into Adium back on my eMac G4. Those were the days.

Even iChat used to be able to manage quite a few messaging apps, including Gchat, AOL and a bunch of others if I recall. I really wish there was an open standard for messaging instead of everyone trying lock you into a silo. I guess the closest we have now is SMS, as insecure and crappy as it is?
 
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I already have a Messenger app on my Mac. You can just take the messenger.com site and use nativefier to make an app bundle that uses v8 as the back-end.

Mind you, I don't want anything to do with Messenger, but it's basically unavoidable. - It's the only way to coordinate things with my uni course mates essentially. Just because it's a platform everybody is on. You can talk to some over Discord, some over Skype and so forth, but if you want to reach everyone on the team, you write a Facebook post. If you want to coordinate with your study group, you use Messenger.

Advantage to using the nativefier approach here, is that the "app" is just a containerised web page. It's isolated from my regular browsing since it's a different "app", yet it doesn't really get any system hooks since it's essentially just the web page packaged in app form.
 
Unfortunately, Messenger is still the best way to communicate for people who use Android. I tried messaging my Android friends with SMS, but it's just not an option these days with all the photo and video sharing. Plus they don't always get SMS instantly. It's really nice knowing your message has at least been delivered, especially when in areas with spotty reception.

View attachment 834582 Mind you, I don't want anything to do with Messenger, but it's basically unavoidable. - It's the only way to coordinate things with my uni course mates essentially. Just because it's a platform everybody is on. You can talk to some over Discord, some over Skype and so forth, but if you want to reach everyone on the team, you write a Facebook post. If you want to coordinate with your study group, you use Messenger.

People I know who are on Android just get communicated with via my Messages app with everyone else -- everyone is in one app. They can still be incorporated into group texts, and they can still send and receive photos and other attachments. It's just way more seamless to have everything in one place, synced across all my devices the way Messages works.

Maybe I'm lucky in that most people I know are pretty Facebook-averse (or there are enough of us to jam the gears) and thus communications revert to text or email -- which both work just fine, thanks.
 
Even iChat used to be able to manage quite a few messaging apps, including Gchat, AOL and a bunch of others if I recall. I really wish there was an open standard for messaging instead of everyone trying lock you into a silo. I guess the closest we have now is SMS, as insecure and crappy as it is?


Adium was bloody good though. I mean, iChat was cool too, but Adium could hook into everything. I used it with MSN, Facebook Messenger, AOL, and I think two other servies that I'm not really sure about, because I forgot all the accounts and wooha and just opened Adium.
And it was so cool - You could customise the Dock icon from within the app - I had a black duck... It was cute. i miss that duck.
 
People I know who are on Android just get communicated with via my Messages app with everyone else -- everyone is in one app. They can still be incorporated into group texts, and they can still send and receive photos and other attachments. It's just way more seamless to have everything in one place, synced across all my devices the way Messages works.

I'm lucky in that most people I know are pretty Facebook-averse (or there are enough of us to make a stink about it) and thus communications revert to text or email.


That works if you have their numbers and/or email addresses. Nobody ever shared that at uni or anything. Basically from the start someone just made a closed Facebook group and told people to sign up, and that was that. And it works, so nobody is looking to find alternatives regardless of how crap Facebook is. And if you recommend an alternative you're met with opposition because "Can't we just stick with this? It works and we don't want to migrate".
 
It really isn't.

There are secure cross-platform messaging apps like Signal.

Actually, while I rarely use it, it has advantages over Signal and WhatsApp, in that it can be used on all of my devices at the same time. Signal and WhatsApp do not let me install on more than one device (as far as I can tell). Telegram does, but then one just switches Facebook’s snooping for the Russian government’s snooping.
 
this apple contradicting themselves, why apple is adding FB to mac os after removing FB from the share option feature, well i hope i get the option to remove it, because this is one app that i don’t like running in the background, even if i don’t have any FB account or don’t even run the app, but you don’t know what the app might be doing, spying or collection in the back ground, sorry FB but you builded this bad reputation and i personally don’t lime you or trust you, i’ll be blocking this app with little snitch or similar, tim talked about security and privacy but now they doing this, i wonder what has changed in the last few months, absolutely nothing, things didn’t got any better, things got worse but tim wants to includes this. useless app on mac os, this is proof that tim has lost it,he don’t even know what he wants or where he is going

This is an app developed and distributed by Facebook, not Apple. Apple is not installing this onto your Mac without your consent. You'd need to install it like any other app.
 
I’m not entirely sure I understand Mac App Store apps.

Are they like iOS apps, meaning that are sandboxed? And can’t access other system information? Do they have follow the enable/disable checkbox, such as location, in the Privacy section of Sytem Preferences?
 
it astounds me that people still use facebook in any capacity. Admittedly, I did use it at one point because I thought it was "cool" to hear from people I hadn't heard from in a while but then was quickly reminded why I stopped talking to them in the first place...I haven't used it in years.

There are circles where it is important. Facebook is very popular among Asians. My partner is Filipino, so she uses it to stay connected with her family. And we own an Asian Grocery store, and Facebook is our primary marketing and communication tool with customers. Otherwise, I'd very much *not* have it installed.
 
...just grant access to your camera/mic and every mac becomes an always-on always-listening FB Portal
 
I’m not entirely sure I understand Mac App Store apps.

Are they like iOS apps, meaning that are sandboxed? And can’t access other system information? Do they have follow the enable/disable checkbox, such as location, in the Privacy section of Sytem Preferences?

There are different levels of protection on the Mac. But yes, some of them can be fully sandboxed and protected by the OS security measures.

Fun Fact - iOS is a subset of the Mac. They share a lot of common libraries. Those libraries started on Mac first. iOS has since matured and now the tables are turning where the Mac is gaining some iOS features and libraries. We see that with the ability of the Mac to run some iOS apps developed to also run on the Mac. The recently-released Apple News app is one such example.
 
this apple contradicting themselves, why apple is adding FB to mac os after removing FB from the share option feature, well i hope i get the option to remove it, because this is one app that i don’t like running in the background, even if i don’t have any FB account or don’t even run the app, but you don’t know what the app might be doing, spying or collection in the back ground, sorry FB but you builded this bad reputation and i personally don’t lime you or trust you, i’ll be blocking this app with little snitch or similar, tim talked about security and privacy but now they doing this, i wonder what has changed in the last few months, absolutely nothing, things didn’t got any better, things got worse but tim wants to includes this. useless app on mac os, this is proof that tim has lost it,he don’t even know what he wants or where he is going

This is not something Apple is adding. Facebook is releasing this for the Mac. Apple has nothing to do with this.
 
Looks good! Can't wait to lean into Messenger even more.

Users with deep knowledge of macOS are familiar with its modern security settings that asks for a users permissions to access all areas of the system just like iOS.
 
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