When it does kick in, Apple's apps will not show the popups. That is already spelled out by Apple. They think putting a toggle deep in the settings somewhere is the same as subjecting other apps to popups. Doesn't matter if it takes effect tomorrow or a decade from now. When it does, Apple will like always be playing with a different set of rules than other apps in the ecosystem do.
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Facebook Says Apple's Upcoming Anti-Tracking Prompt is 'More About Profit Than Privacy' [Updated]
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People have been demanding change from Facebook for years and years now. Has it done one bit of good. NO. Facebook hasn't changed anything about its ad policies. There is no nuance. The only way Facebook will take notice and change is if people leave. Complaining about a service but still using the service is absolutely meaningless.
Welcome aboard, please leave your tin foil hat at the door.
It’s an interesting theory that Apple has been lying all these years, and their executives perjuring themselves in court and elsewhere, and that they would risk their entire corporate brand and expose themselves to countless billions in liability, and that while they can’t even keep employees from leaking left and right about their upcoming products, they have somehow managed to keep one of the most significant secrets in the history of technology from being leaked out.
Now that you mention it, maybe there is a secret sever room in the basement at Apple HQ where Tim Cook sirs and plots how he is going to control the world.
Dude did you even read the article mentioned? Security analysts are calling out Apple for what they did in Big Sur. It's no conspiracy. It's cold hard fact. Apple built their own apps in Big Sur so that they do not go through normal network extension APIs but go though an underlying part of the OS. You can not block their apps with any firewall or VPN. Malware creators are already starting to develop malware that will circumvent firewalls using the same backdoor Apple made for its own apps. Facts are facts even when they don't fit a personal agenda.
Sadly not an option on my work-issued windows laptop, where administrator restrictions prevent me from installing my own ad-blockers.
I have NEVER in my life used ONE app from the FB-lot and don’t intend to change that in the future.
So why am I receiving targeted adds?
(I’m not using their free service!)
Well that’s because on every webpage on which somewhere on the page the “f” logo (or “G” logo for that matter) is found, they have collected private data of all kinds, without my permission, in order to make a profile from me AND SELL that to anyone* willing to pay for them to exploit my human “weaknesses “. *That includes up to foreign governments trying to steer political opinions and f***
So all the privacy stuff Apple is implementing in Safari, I applaud.
All transparency rules they implement in the App Store I applaud.
That is why I buy their products at a premium price (and also because they deliver quality of course).
If that means FB will have to charge their apps users for the “service”, why not?
I for one will never do, and tbh I don’t miss out on anything in my opinion for not doing so.
I just don’t want anyone to poke around in my private life, unwanted and not invited, for their own gain.
DO YOU?
So why am I receiving targeted adds?
(I’m not using their free service!)
Well that’s because on every webpage on which somewhere on the page the “f” logo (or “G” logo for that matter) is found, they have collected private data of all kinds, without my permission, in order to make a profile from me AND SELL that to anyone* willing to pay for them to exploit my human “weaknesses “. *That includes up to foreign governments trying to steer political opinions and f***
So all the privacy stuff Apple is implementing in Safari, I applaud.
All transparency rules they implement in the App Store I applaud.
That is why I buy their products at a premium price (and also because they deliver quality of course).
If that means FB will have to charge their apps users for the “service”, why not?
I for one will never do, and tbh I don’t miss out on anything in my opinion for not doing so.
I just don’t want anyone to poke around in my private life, unwanted and not invited, for their own gain.
DO YOU?
Without commenting on what you’re saying you do to prevent Facebook from tracking you, how much effort do you feel is reasonable for someone to have to do to prevent it.
if he isn’t using Facebook, he isn’t using their services, but is still being tracked. In you post above, you claim you’re doing things to block tracking. Why shouldn‘t you be contributing to Facebook’s wealth if you feel everyone else should?
Facebook isn’t giving away free advertising to small businesses. Recent changes to algorithms prevent posts from pages showing up in feeds to users to encourage them to pay to promote their pages. These pages are just that, limited pages, not advertising. Website hosting is so cheap, this in itself isn’t a big freebie item.
What other phone or computer maker that contracts FOXCONN and other similar Chinese based assembling corporations (AND MANY OTHERS CONTRACT WITH THESE SAME COMPANIES) attempts to enforce standards and initiates investigations when labor issues are reported? Are all of the companies listed at the linked page equally evil? Also, if the Oculus Rift was a major success I am sure Zuck would have similar issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn
There is nuance. Again, you're arguing a losing point. Facebook is running full page ads in newspapers now to try to fight Apple's position on privacy. Who in the right mind is going to see that ad and say "Yeah, I'm with Facebook?" Literally nobody with a half functioning brain.
Facebook is upset because Apple's position is hurting them. This is how you get things done.
True. But this seems like a case of severe hypocrisy to me. It’s like Comcast signing on a letter condemning another company for having poor customer service.
Just like Apple is fighting against new laws in China meant to give more rights to workers. Apple knows that if workers get more rights then gone will be the days of paying workers 12 cents an hour to make iPhones.
Apple is lobbying against a bill aimed at stopping forced labor in China
Apple wants to water down key provisions of the bill, which would hold U.S. companies accountable for using Uighur forced labor, according to two congressional staffers.
www.washingtonpost.com
And Facebook is not upset about people complaining. They are upset because Apple is taking literal concrete action against them by forcing the popups on their apps. That is my point! Just complaining does nothing. Facebook doesn't give two craps about people complaining. But if consumers take action by deleting their accounts or Apple takes action that is a different story. Complaining is useless nonsense. The only nuance Facebook or any company cares about is action. You think if Apple complained and wrote them a stern letter Facebook would care. No way. They care because there is actual action being taken that hurts their bottom line.
"If we don’t, we'll face retaliation from Apple, which could only further harm the businesses we want to support. We can't take that risk."
This is a wolf talking in sheep clothing.
If you have Facebook shares, sell them now, this ship is sinking. They are as cool as AOL now.
This is a wolf talking in sheep clothing.
If you have Facebook shares, sell them now, this ship is sinking. They are as cool as AOL now.
Apple realized people were concerned with privacy. Apple did something. Facebook is upset.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why Apple decided to make a privacy play.
No I didn’t, because I don’t use Facebook. But if I did, I have every right to stop using it — so what is wrong with Apple highlighting privacy points contained in the TOS? If this clarifies for the user how their information is being collected, then it is a win for the user.
Put another way — if Apple is only highlighting what is already in the TOS, what is the problem? We know the answer — most people have difficulty understanding a document that is written by lawyers. Any effort to cut through these complex documents is welcome.
Again, what is wrong with transparency?
If you use Firefox, this extension is handy to help in giving Facebook the finger. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/facebook-container-prevent-facebook-tracking . Remember, they track you even if you don't have a Facebook account.
You are making this up. Apple says they will play by the same rules. Are you deliberately ignoring that?
You have invented quite the head of steam all based on your invention of Apple not following its own rules. If you object to buying your phone and other hardware, maybe try to get one for free through FaceBook? No? Whyever not? Or is it because the business you do with them is actually not comparable in the way that you have posited.
Please try to curb your enthusiasm with FaceBook.
What Apple is offering is the OPTION of opting in or out. Apple is demanding that Apps should make it clear that they use your data and allow you to choose to permit or not. FaceBook clearly does not want us to have this choice. That’s clear, as is the reason for their objecting to us being given the choice. So why are you against us being given the choice. What’s your interest?
MarkyMark Zuckerberg can go ahead and suck beep beep beep...
Facebook is evil. At least Apple is smarter than they are.
Facebook is evil. At least Apple is smarter than they are.
60+ passive aggressive posts for Apple to clearly state:
"Apple said that this change has been on its roadmap for years, and that it will apply equally to all developers, including Apple."
Let’s say you are riding a train and browsing the web, maybe checking your bank account, stock portfolio, you know just basic things people do. Are you ok with the person sitting next to you watching what you’re doing, taking notes too? That’s what FB is doing.
Going further, are you ok with the government, any government, tracking where you go, what you buy, what your interests are? If the answer is no, then you can’t be ok with FB doing exactly this. If you are ok with it, then you have to be ok with having zero privacy. It didn’t use to be this way, and taking care of your own data and privacy is worth more than the “benefit” that FB provides its users (suckers).
Let’s not forget this as well.
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Facebook can’t be trusted, plain and simple.
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Facebook can’t be trusted, plain and simple.
This guy has been at it all day being the GREATEST Facebook defender that has ever existed ...
And now he is improvising himself has a ... Know All Prophet that can predict future events... just Priceless !!!
Don’t argue with the guy it‘s not worth it ... a lot of us tried and gave up ... he is beyond reach
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