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Facebook Takes Out Full-Page Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's iOS Privacy Changes
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How long til our data is juridically secured as a resource that belongs to the individual? So that those who wish to harvest and sell must first pay the rightful owners.
...on a side note, just out of curiosity, how many on this forum would gladly pay a little to get access to free sites like, say MacRumors? After all...
...on a side note, just out of curiosity, how many on this forum would gladly pay a little to get access to free sites like, say MacRumors? After all...
Exactly. I've had it enough with F**KFace.
Deleting my account.
A few years ago, we had the impression the one phone that had Facebook's app on it would give ads about things we had talked about, but had not looked up on the Internet in any manner. It's a funny feeling that the phone was somehow listening in on our conversations.
Now this might be coincidence, but we did a little experiment nonetheless:
We knew we had not talked about, nor looked up anything about washing machines. Nor were any of us haunted by "personalised" ads for any home equipment, let alone washing machines. So during a car trip we started to drop keywords, brand names and fake interest in buying a washing machine for 15 mins or so. The one suspect phone was turned on, but the Facebook app was not even running.
After that 15 mins we opened the Facebook app on that phone and low and behold: we got washing machine ads inside the feed.
A second iPhone - also an iPhone X, same or very similar settings, but no Facebook app: didn't react to it at all while it was in the same car with us and to this date still has not shown any washing machine ads.
That's too much of a coincidence for me. So yes Facebook app IMHO should be banned from every single device as it spies on you, even outright listening in on private conversations.
FWIW: there are settings that prevent it getting to the microphone ... https://www.imore.com/how-stop-facebook-accessing-your-microphone
Now this might be coincidence, but we did a little experiment nonetheless:
We knew we had not talked about, nor looked up anything about washing machines. Nor were any of us haunted by "personalised" ads for any home equipment, let alone washing machines. So during a car trip we started to drop keywords, brand names and fake interest in buying a washing machine for 15 mins or so. The one suspect phone was turned on, but the Facebook app was not even running.
After that 15 mins we opened the Facebook app on that phone and low and behold: we got washing machine ads inside the feed.
A second iPhone - also an iPhone X, same or very similar settings, but no Facebook app: didn't react to it at all while it was in the same car with us and to this date still has not shown any washing machine ads.
That's too much of a coincidence for me. So yes Facebook app IMHO should be banned from every single device as it spies on you, even outright listening in on private conversations.
FWIW: there are settings that prevent it getting to the microphone ... https://www.imore.com/how-stop-facebook-accessing-your-microphone
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If FB doesn’t like the pop up, then Apple should just turn off tracking by default then let the user opt in via the pop up. Problem solved, FB would then like the pop up.
Dear End Users,
Please know we value our ability to target you more than your ability to opt out of tracking.
Love,
Facebook
Please know we value our ability to target you more than your ability to opt out of tracking.
Love,
OK, my original post was removed because I couldn't stop laughing. Seriously, Facebook? How do you folks write this with a straight face? No, I will not feel bad for you now that you won't be able to *as easily* siphon all my personal information.
I abhor Facebook's business practices but I think a lot of people would be shocked if we knew everything these companies did, even the "honest" ones like Apple.
Good deal my man! congrats! happy to hear you were successful.
I believe that if Facebook's shady data collection was curbed, then you and other business folk would still find ways to make businesses successful
It’s not a very concept to grasp.
Steve Jobs even said it as such during his D10 interview, and it’s I find it’s very bit as relevant today as it was a decade ago.
Let the customer decide if they want to share their data and then keep asking them over and over again.
If Facebook is worried about users asking not to be tracked (and having to honour those requests, then that is Facebook’s problem, not Apple’s).
I can’t believe this even needs to be said.
Steve Jobs even said it as such during his D10 interview, and it’s I find it’s very bit as relevant today as it was a decade ago.
Let the customer decide if they want to share their data and then keep asking them over and over again.
If Facebook is worried about users asking not to be tracked (and having to honour those requests, then that is Facebook’s problem, not Apple’s).
I can’t believe this even needs to be said.
FB provides an advertising platform for zillions of small businesses. People on this forum keep pooping on Google, FB, and Insta, but it's those companies that actually allow individuals to run a profitable small business that competes with the big online shops. People on this forum also complain about Google and FB's privacy invasion that allows targeted advertising. But if you look at it from a small business perspective, the business doesn't want to waste it's time and money advertising to anyone that won't be interested in the product, so targeted adverting is actually best for everyone. The businesses only spend on ads to people who are interested, and people only get ads about things they are likely to be interested in. If you are a small business, then you can only possibly sell to people if the people know your product exists. Sure, people can search on google, but your product won't necessarily come up high on their search, so the business can only reach them with targeted ads, especially the smaller and newer the business is. I'm not a great fan of FB per se, but in this case, I think they are dead right, Apple are being sneaky and greedy, as usual of late, and creating a situation where all the small businesses will have to pay Apple in order to reach customers. And Apple are into creating a monopoly situation so they can pump up the Apple tax, so it's bad bad news for small businesses.
FB provides an advertising platform for zillions of small businesses. People on this forum keep pooping on Google, FB, and Insta, but it's those companies that actually allow individuals to run a profitable small business that competes with the big online shops. People on this forum also complain about Google and FB's privacy invasion that allows targeted advertising. But if you look at it from a small business perspective, the business doesn't want to waste it's time and money advertising to anyone that won't be interested in the product, so targeted adverting is actually best for everyone. The businesses only spend on ads to people who are interested, and people only get ads about things they are likely to be interested in. If you are a small business, then you can only possibly sell to people if the people know your product exists. Sure, people can search on google, but your product won't necessarily come up high on their search, so the business can only reach them with targeted ads, especially the smaller and newer the business is. I'm not a great fan of FB per se, but in this case, I think they are dead right, Apple are being sneaky and greedy, as usual of late, and creating a situation where all the small businesses will have to pay Apple in order to reach customers. And Apple are into creating a monopoly situation so they can pump up the Apple tax, so it's bad bad news for small businesses.
FB provides an advertising platform for zillions of small businesses. People on this forum keep pooping on Google, FB, and Insta, but it's those companies that actually allow individuals to run a profitable small business that competes with the big online shops. People on this forum also complain about Google and FB's privacy invasion that allows targeted advertising. But if you look at it from a small business perspective, the business doesn't want to waste it's time and money advertising to anyone that won't be interested in the product, so targeted adverting is actually best for everyone. The businesses only spend on ads to people who are interested, and people only get ads about things they are likely to be interested in. If you are a small business, then you can only possibly sell to people if the people know your product exists. Sure, people can search on google, but your product won't necessarily come up high on their search, so the business can only reach them with targeted ads, especially the smaller and newer the business is. I'm not a great fan of FB per se, but in this case, I think they are dead right, Apple are being sneaky and greedy, as usual of late, and creating a situation where all the small businesses will have to pay Apple in order to reach customers. And Apple are into creating a monopoly situation so they can pump up the Apple tax, so it's bad bad news for small businesses.
I don’t know why you posted the same response thrice.
Either way, I go back to my earlier point. The problem isn’t that the user is being tracked, but that they are being tracked without their knowledge and their consent.
If your opposition to this is that the user is going to not give consent, then what does that say about the honesty and integrity of such a business model? You know that users would (rightfully) object to being tracked, which is why you support a company like Facebook continuing to do so surreptitiously and wantonly?
I don’t use Facebook, and this is what I have to contend with on a daily basis, and the number of trackers being blocked seems to only increase.
I am fast losing my patience here and my message to the companies and businesses who would be affected is as such:
Time to start finding a new business model and manner of reaching out to consumers that is more respectful of our privacy. Else, it doesn’t matter how useful or relevant your product is to me - I don’t want any of it.
Well, a lot of the content on the internet has to be paid for somehow, so it's either upfront payments, or advertising. Most people would prefer advertising, so that's the way it's gone. And if you don't like that, then adblockers work very well.I don’t know why you posted the same response thrice.
Either way, I go back to my earlier point. The problem isn’t that the user is being tracked, but that they are being tracked without their knowledge and their consent.
If your opposition to this is that the user is going to not give consent, then what does that say about the honesty and integrity of such a business model? You know that users would (rightfully) object to being tracked, which is why you support a company like Facebook continuing to do so surreptitiously and wantonly?
I don’t use Facebook, and this is what I have to contend with on a daily basis, and the number of trackers being blocked seems to only increase.
I am fast losing my patience here and my message to the companies and businesses who would be affected is as such:
Time to start finding a new business model and manner of reaching out to consumers that is more respectful of our privacy. Else, it doesn’t matter how useful or relevant your product is to me - I don’t want any of it.
As for privacy, I'm curious, how does advertising companies tracking your web usage actually impact your life? I mean, I know I'm being tracked, but none of those advertising companies actually care about me or anything about me except to have bots decide what ads to send my way. Is there something I'm missing? What exactly, and why, should I be concerned?
Dear Apple....PLEASE, PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE respond to FaceBook in a full page ad and inform everyone about how TERRIBLE FaceBook is regarding privacy.
Thanks.
Your Friend,
Andrew
Thanks.
Your Friend,
Andrew
Well, for starters, my iPad Pro and iPhone 8+ have run noticeably faster and smoother even since I installed the lockdown app and started blocking all those trackers. So the sad reality its that all this use of trackers does impose a performance penalty on my iOS devices.
I am fine with the extra data usage, since I have 30gb of cellular data shared between my mobile devices.
I also remember visiting certain websites back then (think it was Windowscentral?) and the sheer number of ads it tried to load literally brought my 2016 iPad Pro to its knees. Like this had 2gb ram and A9x processor, and it couldn’t get past the first page. Install an ad-blocker and the website loaded and ran so very smoothly.
Then, there are also news of how a Muslim dating app was selling user data to the US military. So it does make me wonder what exactly is being done with my data that is floating around on the internet.
Right now, the problem is that the options available to me are binary. It’s either opt not to be tracked at all, or consent and have every aspect of me tracked to hell and back. There is no middle-ground (eg: being served far less invasive ads), so don’t blame me for siding with the lesser of two evils here.
So for me at least, the best way of ensuring that as little of my user data is abused is to ensure that as little of my user data leaks out as possible. Maybe this is ultimately a Sisyphean task, but I for one am not going to just give up without a fight.