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Basically this group has come to a few "brilliant" conclusions:

(1) Old devices are entitled to endless support and features (even if it isn't possible with the hardware) and the added features shouldn't impact performance on a device for which the software wasn't specifically built

Not quite. iPhone 4 and Siri being a prime example. Worked fine until Apple made it an iPhone 4s exclusive.

The point I was making is people saying "Well my iPhone 4s has received ios7" and using it as an argument about fragmentation on Android. Just because you have the latest software, dosent mean your iPhone will have all the features or run just as fast.
 
All MacRumors is anymore is a breeding ground for anti-Apple fans who want to taunt Apple fans.

We have to show these guys we aren't sensitive like Steve jobs was.

Crying like a baby when he didn't get his way.

We're better than that.

Apple fans unite!!!! (Raises iPhone in the air ; adjusts eye glasses on nose)
 
(1) Old devices are entitled to endless support and features (even if it isn't possible with the hardware) and the added features shouldn't impact performance on a device for which the software wasn't specifically built.

"Endless" support is obviously never going to happen. But something beyond the time the OS is the latest version would be nice. The instant ditching of older software is one thing that really bugs me about Apple. They artificially hinder their own hardware with it, which over time becomes a huge pain. It is something the rest of the industry, even the linux world, does much better at.

But still hopefully this Facetime issue will be something else and will be fixed soon.
 
Just because you have the latest software, dosent mean your iPhone will have all the features or run just as fast.

The point is you get access to newer APIs and security patches/features you wouldn't get on the previous OS. Plus developers will have an easier time accessing a wide-range of the user base with their apps.

Not 'Siri doesn't work on it. Screw Apple'
 
What's the big deal with updating to iOS 7? If your device supports it update!

It's fugly and that is the big deal.
It makes the iPhone 4 become a paperweight and that is the big deal.

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Yes that's exactly what I thought, just keep your device up to date! I think iPhone 4 users are extremely lucky that Apple is still supporting the device considering it's like 4 years old now.

So DON'T complain, appreciate the fact that you have an iPhone with constant software upgrade unlike the other world.

And make the iPhone 4 become a deadweight...
 
It's fugly and that is the big deal.
It makes the iPhone 4 become a paperweight and that is the big deal.

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And make the iPhone 4 become a deadweight...

Apple isn't going to revert to iOS 6...ever. The sooner people realise iOS7 is here to stay and get on the bus the better. Otherwise Android and WP8 are waiting for you. Feel free.

Its not a deadweight. It works, not as well as iOS 6 but with iOS 7.1 its no longer a terrible experience. And that in itself is noteworthy. The phone is almost 4yrs old. People seem to forget this; The phone is almost 4 YEARS OLD!
 
The phone is almost 4yrs old. People seem to forget this; The phone is almost 4 YEARS OLD!

And is that any reason why it shouldn't work as flawlessly as it did upon release? I expect all of my electric devices to last much longer than four years.
 
I wonder if this is related to the FaceTime bugfix that was released in iOS 7.0.4 and back-ported for the 4th gen iPod Touch with iOS 6.1.5? Is FaceTime still working on people using iOS 7.0.0-7.0.3? With the lawsuits FaceTime has been seeing, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple was forced to change their FaceTime protocols starting with iOS 6.1.5/iOS 7.0.4 and after a grace period is now mandatory causing FaceTime to fail on any device not using iOS 6.1.5 and iOS 7.0.4 or later. iOS 6.1.5 was never made available on any device other than the 4th gen iPod Touch so the only solution for iOS 6 using iPad and iPhone users would be to update to iOS 7.
 
I believe all devices that support FaceTime also support iOS 7. Might as well just upgrade.

Some people really can't tolerate change at all! I thought I'd hate iOS 7 at first, and yes it was a bit jarring when I updated, but after using it for a few weeks it was awesome and now iOS 6 looks hopelessly antiquated!

Just update and call off the whaaaambulance already.
 
As long as you don't buy Apple it is surprisingly easy. And cheaper. Apple need to shape up with their software support, because the rest of the industry is much better at it.

Yeah. Sure. If you say so. It must be true.

Lets ignore the fact that 4.4 KitKat is still only on 10% of devices and many won't even smell it much less get to install it.

But who cares. Apple's software support still sucks. Because Apple.
 
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Yeah. Sure. If you say so.

It does. I even wrote an example post for another user to illustrate this. Apple are the first to ditch their software for newer versions. And once they decreed you can no longer upgrade to newer OSs or you decide not to upgrade to keep your device snappy, you're left in the dark. All this for a premium price.

Look at it this way:
Windows XP - Released 2001, dropped 2014. Supported for 13 years.
OS X Tiger (longest supported OS X) - Released 2005, dropped 2008. Supported for 3 years.
 
  • viber, bought
  • whatsapp, bought
  • tango, nearly bought by alibaba

Don't worry Tim, there's a lot of working and multi-OS messaging apps (wechat, telegram, kik, line...) t remaining on the market :D
But do you want to buy one of them ?
 
I wish Apple would let us install iOS 6.1.6 even if our devices support iOS 7. Newer is not always better.
 
It does. I even wrote an example post for another user to illustrate this. Apple are the first to ditch their software for newer versions. And once they decreed you can no longer upgrade to newer OSs or you decide not to upgrade to keep your device snappy, you're left in the dark. All this for a premium price.

Look at it this way:
Windows XP - Released 2001, dropped 2014. Supported for 13 years.
OS X Tiger (longest supported OS X) - Released 2005, dropped 2008. Supported for 3 years.

MS Supported XP because they had to not because they wanted to. It was their biggest install base. Some are even still paying them to support it. And unlike MS, Apple is it chained down in the name of backwards compatibility for *insert esoteric app A that is critical for A B C organisation.*

And truly MS turned their back on XP as soon as Vista came out...7 years ago. People were just lackadaisical and MS had no choice but to coddle them until Win 7.

At the end of the day the choice is there. If people aren't happy. Feel free to move to another platform. And good luck to them.
 
People are making a big deal out of this. I highly doubt Apple would drop FaceTime support for ios6.. its just a glitch.

People who end debates like this usually don't have anything solid to stand on.

Apple aren't as good as other companies for certain.

MobileMe was a disaster ( with SJ blaming the developers instead of taking responsibility ), iDisk was slow. iCloud storage is extremely limited and difficult to develop with.
 
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