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It's called Planned obsolescence, welcome to reality.

Planned obsolescence: The deliberate practice of shortening a life of a product, thus forcing the user to upgrade to a newer model.

AKA a conspiracy myth drawn up by indignant consumers who want to make themselves feel better about the fact that their device has been naturally left behind.

ITT: People will come up with excuses for anything rather than take responsibility for their own choices.

'Apple planned to make my now older device obsolete'

'Apple should support me unconditionally even if i'm purposely refusing to use newer hardware or software'
 
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The only thing that I don't understand is the fact that there are still tons of 4th gen iPod touches, and IF apple is purposely trying to disable facetime on iOS 6, they will lose a major functionality because apple is trying to get people on the iOS 7 boat.

They're not. There's obviously a bug that needs to be fixed. And based on at least one comment here it may be affecting iOS 7 too.
 
So... why is it I can't view my photostream online again? ;)

Also... why is it iMessage always screws up when you roundtrip from desktop to iPhone to iPad and back? It always for me and all of iOS/OX user friends.

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I use Apples' cloud services extensively. I NEVER have a problem. iMessage ALWAYS works for me. I'm constantly sending or receiving on and from different idevices and it never screws up. All messages show up on all devices for me and my family and friends.
Granted that at the onset there were problems but not lately.
Maybe you should look at your setup. Just sayin...
 
I'm probably in the minority, but I have yet to use Facetime. Never really saw the need for videochat on mobile, and I use Skype for anything business related.

It's the facetime AUDIO that I love. It's my default for talking to all my family since they all have iPhones. SOOO much clearer. :)
 
FaceTime has always been unreliable, along with iMessage. It's ridiculous. Somehow, nothing has ever beaten iChat AV (2004 or something) + AIM.

Also, what's with FaceTime being some semi-inverted version of the Phone app in iOS 7? It's so horrible to look at.

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Facetime requires iPhone 4 or better, right?

Why wouldnt said device have the latest update to iOS7. Non issue.

For those who don't care about the new features and care more about stability and the look and feel of the OS. (By the way, I'm on iOS 7.)
 
It does. I even wrote an example post for another user to illustrate this. Apple are the first to ditch their software for newer versions. And once they decreed you can no longer upgrade to newer OSs or you decide not to upgrade to keep your device snappy, you're left in the dark. All this for a premium price.

Look at it this way:
Windows XP - Released 2001, dropped 2014. Supported for 13 years.
OS X Tiger (longest supported OS X) - Released 2005, dropped 2008. Supported for 3 years.

Windows 8.1 - Support dropped 2014. *BEFORE* many people (including their corporate customers) can successfully update to 8.1 SP1.
 
People have ever used facetime? Ever?? (Apart, of course, from that very first time to see what it was like)

Yes, my friend does because his stupid Windows computer has no reliable way of audio communication. And it's annoying because FaceTime isn't all that great, especially since I can't do audio-only without covering my camera or something.

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AKA a conspiracy myth drawn up by indignant consumers who want to make themselves feel better about the fact that their device has been naturally left behind.

When Apple claims that their new version of Mac OS X is faster, and it's not, then those theories are more valid. Mavericks is a great example. It made my 2008 Mac Pro feel old for the first time, so I went back to ML.
 
Damn, I finished my popcorn after reading the 5th page of comments. :(

I just hope they fix the issue.
 
When Apple claims that their new version of Mac OS X is faster, and it's not, then those theories are more valid. Mavericks is a great example. It made my 2008 Mac Pro feel old for the first time, so I went back to ML.

Your 2008 Mac Pro IS old. And the fact that ML works better tells me the problem most likely user error. ML and Mavericks are essentially fraternal twins.
 
FaceTime and in particular FaceTime Audio is terrible, it just DOESN'T work. Once again today after numerous failed attempts with FaceTime video and audio we switched to Skype which worked fine. I was in a 4S via cellular and the GF was on her 5 over wifi.

FaceTime is poor, the only app which is worse is maps.

Maps is fine. Stop digging up the past. :rolleyes:
 
FaceTime and in particular FaceTime Audio is terrible, it just DOESN'T work. Once again today after numerous failed attempts with FaceTime video and audio we switched to Skype which worked fine. I was in a 4S via cellular and the GF was on her 5 over wifi.

FaceTime is poor, the only app which is worse is maps.

Why do people still consider Maps bad? Just because it isn't your beloved Google, I suppose.

This is a bug that obviously needs fixing. Even if it is on iOS 6.
 
You went to all this trouble searching for, and uploading that image, just to launch a cheap shot at Apple ….. wow ….. my various Apple equipment generally speaking, works very well, with a lot less headache than the stuff I used before, but keep in mind that no tech is going to work flawlessly all the time.
You do know what kind of unrealistic expectations you are working with, right? I mean, if Apple products don't work flawlessly all the time, then you can't claim "it just works." Thems the rules.
 
Please don't take offence. But I'm guessing you're world isn't much bigger than where you live. Because it if were, you'd understand how great FaceTime has become now that voice only calls can be made.

It's fully integrated into the iPhone and works exactly like a normal call. Not only that, but I find the quality superior to Skype as well. It also doesn't use a lot of data.

Plus in some countries, making calls to iPhones on different carriers costs money. By using FaceTime, it doesn't. Of course you are using data, but that is literally nothing compared to calling rates.

With friends and family living in various countries around the world and doing business in other countries, the seamless way FaceTime works with the phone means I can makes calls exactly as if I were in the same country.

This is a massive step forward compared to the old days of insanely priced international calls.

And it works on 3G/4G/Wireless.

I hope this helps for you to better understand how FaceTime is actually important to a lot of users you probably didn't think about.

Thanks.

I think you misunderstood me.

Businesses don't necessarily use FaceTime - they use business software for communication like lync.

We use that at work. Not apple.

I use FaceTime once in a while to chat with my fam 3000 miles away. Doesn't mean it's not the best
 
You do know what kind of unrealistic expectations you are working with, right? I mean, if Apple products don't work flawlessly all the time, then you can't claim "it just works." Thems the rules.

If you want to get technical, the slogan doesn't say: "it just works all the time perfectly", but we both know that wasn't the intention of the slogan, but more like a gentle reminder of the ease of operation of their (apple's) equipment vs the competition's.

Also IIRC that particular slogan was originally coined for OSX, and at a product phase when configuration and downloading drivers were the norm for PCs, so in that context "it just works" was perfectly reasonable at the time.

Additionally, slogans come and go, and Apple has used hundreds of them over time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apple_Inc._slogans#Product_advertising_slogans, but I have not seen the 'it just works' used by Apple, for quite a while, and just because a poster digs up a screenshot of SJ using it in the past at a keynote, this does not constitute false advertising for today's products or services.
 
I think you misunderstood me.

Businesses don't necessarily use FaceTime - they use business software for communication like lync.

We use that at work. Not apple.

I use FaceTime once in a while to chat with my fam 3000 miles away. Doesn't mean it's not the best


I understood your first post, but this reply confuses me:confused:
I didn't talk about businesses. I never talked about it being the best.

What are you actually trying to say?

All I know is that it's really well integrated into the iPhone and it's free and it works well... so that's why plenty of people actually do use it as you can probably see from this thread! That's all.

Sorry, If I got it wrong about the size of your world. I shouldn't assume! But it's quite often students who haven't yet experienced life who complain about a function being useless without understanding all the different ways it can be used.


Thanks.
 
Probably right... Maybe it was the Me.com era? Not sure. Still an enormous step back.

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Yup... looks like this is what I remembered. Thanks for this.

Further underlines the point... Apple is terrible at the cloud. What's amazing is that Apple clearly understands one of the big appeals of the iPhone: it's ability to take great photos. It's just that when Apple tries to deal with the web.... it often does a half-a**ed job.

w00master

Use dropbox and enable it's own photo syncing feature, if you really want to see them online.
 
Why do people still consider Maps bad? Just because it isn't your beloved Google, I suppose.

This is a bug that obviously needs fixing. Even if it is on iOS 6.

Because it is really bad. Good for you that you live in USA but try use Apple maps in Europe, especially smaller countries and you will understand why other blames Apple maps...
 
No they couldn't have. Exemplified by the fact that its only just being shut down in 2014. And thats because Win 7 is now the top dog.

Have you got a source for this or any of this post? I asked for one in the last post, remember?

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Windows 8.1 - Support dropped 2014. *BEFORE* many people (including their corporate customers) can successfully update to 8.1 SP1.

That's weird. Because Microsoft have told me and the world a different story. :rolleyes:

Seriously, did you just make that up?
 
I'll give you an example (regardless of what has really happened with Facetime on iOS 6). My iMac G4 cost me £899 at the time. I got it in 2004. One year previous I bought a Windows XP laptop for about £399.

The XP laptop is still going strong with the latest software. iTunes 11, Firefox 28, Steam, Office 2013 all work fine (albeit some of it slow). XP has only just been ditched by Microsoft and will still probably have a few years left in it before Apps become incompatible. My iMac G4 however, has long since been ditched by Apple. OS X Tiger hasn't received an update in years (despite it being release long after XP) and I have to make do with older software versions (latest iTunes is version 9). It is no massive biggie, if you know what you're doing you can cope just fine(ish). But at the end of the day, it can't use iTunes Radio links anymore since they've been disabled in version 9, I can't sync it with OneDrive, I can't sync my iPhone 5 with it, I can't chat to friends on Steam, I have to use a recompiled and rather slow version of FireFox on it to be able to browse the web since Safari 2 is massively outdated... the list goes on. Realistically, my cheaper and older XP laptop is more useful today. All because of Apple's terrible software support lifecycle.

Windows XP has just been getting patches, that new software support is by 3rd party developers. XP is stuck on Windows Media Player 11, IE 8, and DOES NOT have support for Office 2013, so I don't know how you have it. Mac OS X Tiger is just 1 version of OSX, the version of Windows XP (SP2) that was out back then had support dropped in 2010.
 
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