Facts You NEED to Know 16” MBP before you buy. Seriously

[Donnation]

Agreed maybe my presentation isn’t as polished as it needs to be. I would say look at the message before others are attacking the messenger. I can not in good faith let people praise Apple for this 16” MBP

and someone else point out how does Apple takes a 15.6” OLED Display and call it a 16” MBP Display eventually. And I’ll say the same way they take a 6.3 Galaxy OLED Display and call it a 6.4” IPhone OLED Display just thinner bezels or they contract Samsung to make them a custom 16” OLED Display now that Samsung has successfuly fielded and proven the laptop OLED market they have the massive capabilities and capacity to fill an OLED order from Apple.

You’re forgetting OP that a lot of people don’t care about having an OLED laptop just like people don’t care about having an OLED TV. MacBook Pro screens are beautiful and crisp and that is what is important for most people.

If you love OLED that’s great, but that doesn’t mean it’s the end all be all for everyone else. I couldn’t care less about it. If you think you are trumping people because you’ll have OLED in 2020 and others won’t then you are sorely mistaken.

 

[CarbonCycles]

The ironic part of this post is that the op probably uses his laptop to watch Netflix and purchase things online (ie doing nothing that requires those listed upgrades)

 

[Whackman]

I think it will be a joy to work on.

 

[Nacho98]

I have NO desire for an OLED laptop.

I'll take the crisp LCD that Apple makes, best in the business.

 

[Rafterman]

#6 Wifi 6 is barely out of the gate, and its such new technology. I don't think this is on Apple, but rather intel as its their chipset

Apple seemed confident enough to put in in their new iPhone, but not the laptop. Seems strange.

 

[raqball]

I've been a past MacBook Pro basher mainly due to the KB but I picked mine up yesterday from Best Buy and Apple smashed this one out of the park....

If I wanted to complain about something, I'd say there is still no SD card slot but that is minor and Apple nailed this one, so I won't complain about it..

KB is back to being stellar! No furnace on the lap so far and the speakers are wow...

 

[Bandaman]

The only good point you’ve made is Apple’s continued decision to put terrible GPUs in their “Pro” laptops. It’s mind-bogglingly stupid. Also, don’t punch infants.

 

[Krevnik]

a 10nm CPU new architecture and new instruction set would dramatically improve Video Rendering alone, not to mention security flaws being fixed in hardware. 10nm Intel 10th Gen is needed. With 10th Gen support of 3200Mhz LPDDR4 RAM you have a significant gain there alone. I’m not buying 12+ year old CPU Architecture

Intel Ice Lake chips aren’t ready for the high-end laptop range. What is available are chips suited for the MBA.

I’m not sure where you get the 12 years from, or how you think 10th gen is so different. Even Ice Lake is just another iterative step from the Pentium III line the Core series evolved from.

a 16“ 120Hz OLED Display people are gonna be mad as Mississppi tick in heat next year don’t say I didn’t tell you so.

Eh. 120Hz is nice, but not a deal breaker. Same with OLED.

HDR would be nice, but the reality is that I’ve yet to see a good implementation of it. Either it can’t hit the nits (OLED) for good highlights, or if it can, you get blooming/haloing artifacts from the backlight (LCD).

The display already handles the WCG portion though.

WiFi 6 that’s all I’m gonna say go look it up my Note 10 Plus has it.

Another thing Intel effectively tied to Ice Lake.

needs More vents for cooling

Conjecture.

a 100Wh Lithium battery is the max allowed by Fed Law on passenger airlines. But it’s still just a square brick. Apple has patentes and is working with LG Chem to design L-Shaped LiPo batteries which would make better use of space and not just have to be a thicker brick.

Apple’s been doing stuff similar to this for years, where have you been? The L-shaped batteries are in use in the iPhone, and the MacBook Pro has had “non-rectangle” battery shapes for a while to make better use of space. There’s not huge wins to be had here at the moment.

Its like they are selling you 90% the same Laptop as last years. With nothing tangible

Keyboard and thermal improvements are tangible to me. Navi GPUs are tangible to me. Geekbench is saying the thermals are leading to better burst performance out of last year’s chips.

Yes, this is what iterative refreshes look like. When a chip is ready, you get it. When design changes are ready, you get it. Apple could have sat on this waiting for Intel to finally ship appropriate CPUs so the change was bigger, or they could have made the changes they did have ready available now.

I don’t really care, but their timing on this means I can consider a MBP as my primary machine, where the old 15” wasn’t suitable for that role to even be in the running. That’s tangible.

 

[Mayo86]

I don’t understand your talking points. They seem redundant and useless. OLED is not coming to the MacBook Pro, ever. They will adopt miniLED and eventually (hopefully) microLED.

Apple does not design Intel chips. This is what is available right now. Which means Wifi 6.0 is not compliant with the HQ series. If you have the capacity to hold off until next year, then do it.

Also, complaining about the graphics card being weaker than an Xbox One is... I don’t know what to tell you. They are built for different purposes. Can you game on the 16” MacBook Pro? Yes. But is it meant to replace a dedicated gaming machine? No.

Flabbergasted.

 

[lambertjohn]

Like millions of Mac users, I'm an average Joe with regular, real-world needs in my computer system. I use my MacBook (sometimes my 15" 2015 Pro, sometimes my 2018 Air) for professional writing, some light Photoshop work, and surfing the web. Both my notebooks are 100% adequate for that. 100%! Your seven dings against the 16" MacBook Pro mean absolutely nothing to me. And I suspect they will mean absolutely nothing to the millions who will buy the thing in the next six months. My only ding against the 16" Pro is that it's expensive. I wish it was less than $2000. And it just might be eventually, when Apple has cashed in on all the first-adopters. No matter, it still looks like a great computer to me, and I can't wait to own one!

 

[riptidewahoo]

We'll enjoy our new MBPs while you sit around punching infants or whatever it is that you do

 

[Bandaman]

Also, complaining about the graphics card being weaker than an Xbox One is... I don’t know what to tell you. They are built for different purposes. Can you game on the 16” MacBook Pro? Yes. But is it meant to replace a dedicated gaming machine? No.

His comment about gaming is irrelevant. It’s a garbage GPU regardless of what your purpose is.

 

[maflynn]

Apple seemed confident enough to put in in their new iPhone, but not the laptop. Seems strange.

Does intel provide the chipset? Apple has more control of the components in the iPhone.

 

[riptidewahoo]

His comment about gaming is irrelevant. It’s a garbage GPU regardless of what your purpose is.

It's essentially 2x as fast as the 560X and up to 80% faster than the outgoing Vega 20 - not sure how often you get that kind of leap and it's definitely not 'garbage' for what the laptop is intended for

 

[wallysb01]

Here are a few facts everyone needs to know about the 16” MBP Before Buying.

#1. It’s still a 12 year old CPU design 14nm that’s still Vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown it’s a 9th Gen
#2. RAM is limited to 2666 MHz
#3. The Display has a lot of issues. Not HDR10 compliant despite being 500nits, Apple own page says the color spectrum is Limited to Millions of Colors which confirms it’s just an 8-bit IPS panel. Lastly it’s Not 120Hz ProMotion like the iPad Pros.
(Apple hopes you don’t notice this and just focus on the thinner bezels)
#4. You are gonna want to punch an infant next year 2020 Samsung has begun production on 16” OLED laptop Display gee I wonder for what customer ?

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#5. AMD GPU 5500M is on AMDs own site less powerful than Xbox One X which hits 6 TFLOPS and the 5500M just 4 TFLOPS
#6. Worst of all IMO, Not WiFi 6 complaint or Ready for a Laptop and how important WiFi 6 is this is inexcusable.
#7. No one asked for 6 Speakers in a Laptop it’s not necessary use the space for something else. Like more vents

So if you guys are cool with buying A 2018 MBP with a 0.4” Larger Display that’s on you. I’ll waive from the next Starbucks table with my 16” OLED MacBook Pro soon.

I guess its good to know as much as you can, but no one should take any of this as reasons not to by the MBP. Many of these are actually very good reason to buy the MBP rather than a competitors product with that feature even.

120Hz screen, plblblbl, so you can kill battery life and have you GPU work harder for what reason? If you really need this, get a monitor. Same can be said for OLED.

The CPU and RAM are still essentially the cutting edge, industry standard. LPDDR4x isn't available yet and DDR4-2666 is what this CPU officially supports. Getting a 10th gen laptop with 2900, or what ever, just means the manufacturer has put in unsupported RAM, which might cause instability. Why would I want that for a very marginal gain?

Anyway, Debby Downer, do what you like.

 

[Bandaman]

It's essentially 2x as fast as the 560X and 25%+ faster than the outgoing model it replaced - not sure how often you get that kind of leap and it's definitely not 'garbage' for what the laptop is intended for

The previous GPU was also hot garbage. Now it’s faster garbage. You don’t seem to know what GPUs are available, especially in this price range, nor do you seem to understand the potential power this new MacBook Pro could have if Apple would stop gimping the GPU. What the laptop is intended for is being crippled by an entry-level GPU. It’s inexcusable.

 

[NJRonbo]

Sorry I opened this thread. I thought there was a valid opinion being expressed here. Moving on...

 

[stradify]

One reason some folks may not be interested in upgrading to the new 16" mbp is that it ships with Catalina and is not backwards compatible with Mojave.

 

[pshufd]

It's much better than my 2014 and 2015 in every way except for the lack of ports.

 

[riptidewahoo]

The previous GPU was also hot garbage. Now it’s faster garbage. You don’t seem to know what GPUs are available, especially in this price range, nor do you seem to understand the potential power this new MacBook Pro could have if Apple would stop gimping the GPU. What the laptop is intended for is being crippled by an entry-level GPU. It’s inexcusable.

What GPU do you want?

 

[Nacho98]

My only complaint is it would've been nice to see the higher stock configuration with 32 GB RAM just so you could easily get one in store and be able to do an easy exchange if there's an issue.

 

[Howard2k]

OP does this for every new product Apple releases, like clockwork.

I’m waiting for his ”I’m buying when...” moving goalposts wish list.

 

[Ma2k5]

Here are a few facts everyone needs to know about the 16” MBP Before Buying.

#1. It’s still a 12 year old CPU design 14nm that’s still Vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown it’s a 9th Gen
#2. RAM is limited to 2666 MHz
#3. The Display has a lot of issues. Not HDR10 compliant despite being 500nits, Apple own page says the color spectrum is Limited to Millions of Colors which confirms it’s just an 8-bit IPS panel. Lastly it’s Not 120Hz ProMotion like the iPad Pros.
(Apple hopes you don’t notice this and just focus on the thinner bezels)
#4. You are gonna want to punch an infant next year 2020 Samsung has begun production on 16” OLED laptop Display gee I wonder for what customer ?

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#5. AMD GPU 5500M is on AMDs own site less powerful than Xbox One X which hits 6 TFLOPS and the 5500M just 4 TFLOPS
#6. Worst of all IMO, Not WiFi 6 complaint or Ready for a Laptop and how important WiFi 6 is this is inexcusable.
#7. No one asked for 6 Speakers in a Laptop it’s not necessary use the space for something else. Like more vents

So if you guys are cool with buying A 2018 MBP with a 0.4” Larger Display that’s on you. I’ll waive from the next Starbucks table with my 16” OLED MacBook Pro soon.

1. Alternative is to wait 2021, so while not ideal, meh.
2. Think that is fast enough.
3. Other than the peeling, what are these other issues? I am not sold on HDR on laptops as for it to be proper, it should ideally be close to 1000 nits but then there is a risk that the display is no longer low power, greatly affecting battery life. 120hz/10bit as a result I feel are "meh", I mean if I really wanted full 10bit HDR goodness I would use my LG C9, not my 16" MacBook.
4. Where does it say they are producing 16" panels? I see only 15.6" mentioned. So currently some laptops use these 4k OLED panels such as the XPS 15, Aero 15X and a few others (e.g. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigab...ED-panel-and-4K-in-a-new-design.428407.0.html for confirmation/review of it). It is a nice display but it isn't perfect. ProMotion may not be worth it for most people as you would have to either have low speed video editing or gaming (and you probably will only casually game).
5. This is comparing apples and oranges though - Apple will always use ~35W GPU's, so even the best 35W GPU will be weaker than one that uses twice that or more. A 3 year old 100+W graphics card will beat MacBooks GPU's. If you do want more powerful GPU and CPU, you have to do two sacrifices, one is more heat and another is no more powering it all via USB-C (as you will have more than 100W power output). This is why some competitor laptops needs a barrel plug under load.
6. Really a non-issue, people will benefit plenty by having a WiFi 6 router sufficiently, the fact the MacBook isn't will unlikely be ever noticable.
7. This is complaining about a nice upgrade to be honest

 

[leman]

#1. It’s still a 12 year old CPU design 14nm that’s still Vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown it’s a 9th Gen

You mean 4 years. Its a Skylake-based core (first Skylake was released on Desktop in August 2015). And of course, it is still the fastest mobile CPU currently on the market, so I don't know what your criticism means. Apple using best CPUs money can buy? How dare they!

#2. RAM is limited to 2666 MHz

Which is the fastest speed these CPUs support.

#3. The Display has a lot of issues. Not HDR10 compliant despite being 500nits, Apple own page says the color spectrum is Limited to Millions of Colors which confirms it’s just an 8-bit IPS panel. Lastly it’s Not 120Hz ProMotion like the iPad Pros.

And where are the issues? Are you complaining that they don't use some sort of non-existing technology? The display is among the best on the market. There are laptops with better displays, sure, but they also cost more.

#4. You are gonna want to punch an infant next year 2020 Samsung has begun production on 16” OLED laptop Display gee I wonder for what customer ?

Don't care much about Dell. Apple does not use 16:9 displays.

#5. AMD GPU 5500M is on AMDs own site less powerful than Xbox One X which hits 6 TFLOPS and the 5500M just 4 TFLOPS

My local machine learning cluster has a stack of Tesla V100 that deliver over 250 Tflops SP. Whats your point?

#6. Worst of all IMO, Not WiFi 6 complaint or Ready for a Laptop and how important WiFi 6 is this is inexcusable.

And yet it has faster wifi than any WiFI-6 enabled laptop (and will continue so until the next year).

 

[Strangedream]

I feel you about the lack of OLED, but seriously if you don't like the newest MBP just don't buy it. No need to piss on others' parade and let them enjoy their purchases.