According to AppleInsider this isn’t the case, it’s the slowest wifi of any current MacBook.
They could well be wrong of course.
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According to AppleInsider this isn’t the case, it’s the slowest wifi of any current MacBook.
They could well be wrong of course.
Your challenge is accepted. When should we have the comparison of your off the shelf built system versus a store bought MacBook Pro 16. Categories for judgement include:
- Performance on standard benchmarks
- Weight
- Portability
- Screen display quality
- Reliability
- Cost
One fact worth noting that may dissuade some from purchasing the 16" mbp is that it ships with Catalina
and is not backwards compatible with Mojave. Sure, you can run Mojave in a VM but it's not a solution that everyone will embrace.
and is not backwards compatible with Mojave. Sure, you can run Mojave in a VM but it's not a solution that everyone will embrace.
Stores around here aren't stocking that configuration, at least not yet. But if they were, we are talking about a $4200 computer after tax in these parts...no thanks. I was referring to the $2800 stock configuration.
Did they already run some tests? Can you share the link? Can't seem to find anything on their website...
Why all the OLED haters, it was good for iPhone. Heck I’m more excited for the 14” OLED MAcBook Pro. What Apple has done is set the stage for market acceptance. Tim Cook is a supply chain master loves off the shelf parts and with Samsung making tons of 15.6” OLED panels which can be easily adapted to be 16” OLED panels and 14” QHD OLED panels being off the shelf Tim can get a significant price and cost savings.
Apple has wisely waited.
Back when I said iPhone was going OLED maybe the same people said well Burnin bs where are they now ?
Apple has wisely waited.
Back when I said iPhone was going OLED maybe the same people said well Burnin bs where are they now ?
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burnin not a problem for a device you change every 3 years.
burnin is a problem for a device you keep 8 years.
Good question. I’m not sure if it is based on testing or not. I assume that they would validate their content but I know they have made mistakes before.
Apple's new 16-inch MacBook Pro reveals its future direction | AppleInsider
Apple's decision to radically redesign its largest and most powerful MacBook Pro just six months after its last refresh tells us a lot about how the company plans its hardware strategy and what factors drive its engineering.
I'm not a hater, but it's overrated tech and not a dealbreaker for MacBook Pro.
These are still fantastic displays.
Apple didn't even go OLED for their new XDR display.
Burn in.......
I had a LG OLED TV and never again! Paid an arm and a leg for it and after 14 months the ticker tape that runs at the bottom of news and sports channels was burned into the display....
OLED is fine on phones but on something that has the screen constantly on they are terrible... I'll never buy another OLED TV nor would I ever buy a PC that has an OLED display...
Kinda typical of Apple. The release of a NEW product that is slightly out of date, but will be in demand because of size.
Obviously I'd much rather have this new 16" than my current early 2019 15", but this 16" is neutered a great deal. The refreshed version will probably be available in a few months so I will wait. Can't fault anyone for jumping on this version though!
Obviously I'd much rather have this new 16" than my current early 2019 15", but this 16" is neutered a great deal. The refreshed version will probably be available in a few months so I will wait. Can't fault anyone for jumping on this version though!
In my humble opinion, anyone buying a new Apple laptop as soon as it's released is living very dangerously, and/or is doing so for it's (admittedly delightful) 'bling-bling' factor.
I say this due to the abysmal design problems and consequent operating problems which are widespread with their laptop models from approx 2015 and onwards. Anyone not recognising this, either have their heads deeply buried in the sand, or is currently using a fairly recent MacBook/MBPro and unaware that it's a ticking time-bomb. Admittedly all laptops - even PC's can fail, but one significant difference is that most are generally easily repairable and cost-effective to do so. The same unfortunately cannot be said of recent Apple laptops.
For everyday use I have a 15" MacBookPro9,1 which is arguably one of the best Apple laptops ever, especially in terms of ease of self-repair, and most importantly - upgradeability. Runs superbly with 16GB RAM and 2 SSD's, one for the OS, other for data storage, running OS Mojave. And although capable, I have no desire whatsoever to upgrade it to Catalina. But that's another story.......
And even if a misguided Father Christmas gifted a 2016-2019 Macbook or new 16" model, I'd be sure to sell it before the warranty expired.
For those wondering, I've been a die-hard Apple fan since 2002 when I bought my first PowerBook. But post Steve Jobs, imho they have since lost the plot. I'd love to see this change, but not holding my breath.
In my vast Apple collection I have a Kanga, WallStreet, Pismo's, Lombard's, G4 Cube's, 12", 15" & 17" ppc PowerBooks, early Intel MacBooks and MBPros - all performing like the day they were new (or better). My last new purchase was a 2013 15" MBPro Retina, which is ok but rarely used.
For those who must have laptops with eight-core i9's with T2 chips, OLED, touchbars etc, that's fine. But the reality is that these will be far more troublesome than earlier laptop models, as their engineering complexity, quiet/relatively slow-running fans, not to mention urgency to get into production, will I truly believe be their downfall. And I'm more than willing to 'eat humble pie' if proved wrong.
I smile to think that my i7 MacBookPro9,1 will definitely still be going strong in 10 years time, but will the new 16"........
Only time will tell.
I say this due to the abysmal design problems and consequent operating problems which are widespread with their laptop models from approx 2015 and onwards. Anyone not recognising this, either have their heads deeply buried in the sand, or is currently using a fairly recent MacBook/MBPro and unaware that it's a ticking time-bomb. Admittedly all laptops - even PC's can fail, but one significant difference is that most are generally easily repairable and cost-effective to do so. The same unfortunately cannot be said of recent Apple laptops.
For everyday use I have a 15" MacBookPro9,1 which is arguably one of the best Apple laptops ever, especially in terms of ease of self-repair, and most importantly - upgradeability. Runs superbly with 16GB RAM and 2 SSD's, one for the OS, other for data storage, running OS Mojave. And although capable, I have no desire whatsoever to upgrade it to Catalina. But that's another story.......
And even if a misguided Father Christmas gifted a 2016-2019 Macbook or new 16" model, I'd be sure to sell it before the warranty expired.
For those wondering, I've been a die-hard Apple fan since 2002 when I bought my first PowerBook. But post Steve Jobs, imho they have since lost the plot. I'd love to see this change, but not holding my breath.
In my vast Apple collection I have a Kanga, WallStreet, Pismo's, Lombard's, G4 Cube's, 12", 15" & 17" ppc PowerBooks, early Intel MacBooks and MBPros - all performing like the day they were new (or better). My last new purchase was a 2013 15" MBPro Retina, which is ok but rarely used.
For those who must have laptops with eight-core i9's with T2 chips, OLED, touchbars etc, that's fine. But the reality is that these will be far more troublesome than earlier laptop models, as their engineering complexity, quiet/relatively slow-running fans, not to mention urgency to get into production, will I truly believe be their downfall. And I'm more than willing to 'eat humble pie' if proved wrong.
I smile to think that my i7 MacBookPro9,1 will definitely still be going strong in 10 years time, but will the new 16"........
Only time will tell.
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My biggest issue with this Mac is that it still does not have Wi-Fi 6. If Apple can put Wi-Fi 6 in an iPhone 11, there’s absolutely no reason that a brand new MacBook Pro not have Wi-Fi 6. This is simply ridiculous.Here are a few facts everyone needs to know about the 16” MBP Before Buying.
#1. It’s still a 12 year old CPU design 14nm that’s still Vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown it’s a 9th Gen
#2. RAM is limited to 2666 MHz
#3. The Display has a lot of issues. Not HDR10 compliant despite being 500nits, Apple own page says the color spectrum is Limited to Millions of Colors which confirms it’s just an 8-bit IPS panel. Lastly it’s Not 120Hz ProMotion like the iPad Pros.
(Apple hopes you don’t notice this and just focus on the thinner bezels)
#4. You are gonna want to punch an infant next year 2020 Samsung has begun production on 16” OLED laptop Display gee I wonder for what customer ?
#5. AMD GPU 5500M is on AMDs own site less powerful than Xbox One X which hits 6 TFLOPS and the 5500M just 4 TFLOPSAnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals
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#6. Worst of all IMO, Not WiFi 6 complaint or Ready for a Laptop and how important WiFi 6 is this is inexcusable.
#7. No one asked for 6 Speakers in a Laptop it’s not necessary use the space for something else. Like more vents
So if you guys are cool with buying A 2018 MBP with a 0.4” Larger Display that’s on you. I’ll waive from the next Starbucks table with my 16” OLED MacBook Pro soon.
You're literally 3 years too late on this post. Yeah they were junk from 2016-2019, and condolences to the 2016 buyers, but I have none for the 2017-2019 buyers who knew it still had a butterfly keyboard. The more revs that came out, the less I feel for those who STILL chose to purchase it, further upgrades to it or not.
This machine may have issues (T2 is my concern, what happened to the endless kernel panic thread?), time will tell, but right now this is looking like one of Apple's most predictably reliable machines they've released in years, so I say go ahead and buy now if you want it.
Typically buying on launch day or right after it is the ONLY way to go with Apple because of the absurd pricing. No way in hell would I buy a model mid cycle for full retail. No way. Buy at launch, or don't buy.
There will be moderate benefits to all devices (even wifi 5) as the roll out of wifi 6 happens. And I haven’t seen a deployment of wifi 6 in a laptop in 3x3 configuration yet.
According to Apple Insider this is a 2x2 system. They may be wrong. But I wonder if it was designed as 2x2 in the hopes of having 2x2 Wifi6 as opposed to 2x2 Wifi5. If 2x2 Wifi6 is Apple’s intended deployment, that’s not a massive advantage over the 3x3 in Wifi5 in most of the Pro MacBooks. Yeah it’s still better, certainly, but it’s not as good as it could be. I’d like Wifi6 too, but I hope it’s done with a strong implementation like most of the Wifi5 MacBooks are.
Here are a few facts everyone needs to know about the 16” MBP Before Buying.
#1. It’s still a 12 year old CPU design 14nm that’s still Vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown it’s a 9th Gen
#2. RAM is limited to 2666 MHz
#3. The Display has a lot of issues. Not HDR10 compliant despite being 500nits, Apple own page says the color spectrum is Limited to Millions of Colors which confirms it’s just an 8-bit IPS panel. Lastly it’s Not 120Hz ProMotion like the iPad Pros.
(Apple hopes you don’t notice this and just focus on the thinner bezels)
#4. You are gonna want to punch an infant next year 2020 Samsung has begun production on 16” OLED laptop Display gee I wonder for what customer ?
#5. AMD GPU 5500M is on AMDs own site less powerful than Xbox One X which hits 6 TFLOPS and the 5500M just 4 TFLOPSAnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals
Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
#6. Worst of all IMO, Not WiFi 6 complaint or Ready for a Laptop and how important WiFi 6 is this is inexcusable.
#7. No one asked for 6 Speakers in a Laptop it’s not necessary use the space for something else. Like more vents
So if you guys are cool with buying A 2018 MBP with a 0.4” Larger Display that’s on you. I’ll waive from the next Starbucks table with my 16” OLED MacBook Pro soon.
#1: that's intel and 14nm are going to stay for a while. intel comet lake-h (14nm) in 2020, intel rocket lake-h (14nm) in 2021. rumors are we will get mobile 10nm cpus with 45w tdp in 2022 from intel.
#5: forget about really powerful mobile gpus. they get hot and make the fans noisy. nobody wants to work in a noisy environment. use an external gpu or an imac/mac pro if you really need full gpu power. use an xbox/playstation/gaming pc for graphically demanding games.
#6: wait half a year for the next update. intel comet lake-h will bring wifi 6 support.
The mobile GPU that 16 mbp shipped with is the latest mobile GPU from AMD. Which gpu are you refering to that this is garbage ? if you mean Nvidia gpu, this is out of question that Apple will not work with nvidia. If you think MBP is over price, i have window gaming laptop from asus that cost 2k and with GPU 2x faster than 16 Mbp but beside gaming, the machine can not compare to my 2018 mbp.
I agree. Glad to hear it's working so well for you. Enjoy it.
I tested several models in store this morning and was very impressed. The keyboard is a joy, ditto the display.
And OP, hopefully you will find a machine that works for you because your facts mean zilch to me. The 16" MBP will be my next Mac.
After several years, Apple are beginning to make things right.
If it works for you, great. If not, also great.
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Wifi 6 isn't supported yet by the current Intel Chipset, that is why not because Apple didn't want to.
OLED is great for phones because the screen is rarely on for extended period (one possible exception is navigation app for very long drive, but it would have to be 4 hours or more, and used often).
OLED is also great for TV for most folks. The exceptions are TV being set to a single channel with bright logo and scrolling banner (e.g., CNBC), running as a kiosk (e.g., airport departure and arrival status), playing a single game for many many hours every day (4+ hours a day 5+ days a week), and used as a computer monitor.
For computers, OLED is terrible. macOS has many static UI elements, as do Windows and Linux. At the very minimum, you need to enable "Automatically hide and show the Dock" and "Automatically hide and show the menu bar", and set the wallpaper to black. And minimize using apps that have lots of static contents, such as web browsers and text editor.
This is one of the reasons why mini LED is the next display evolution. Apple's Pro Display XDR is one such monitor, as well as TCL's new 8-series TV. It will be perfected by the next major evolution, micro LED, which will fully supplement OLED as the king of display technology.