Facts You NEED to Know 16” MBP before you buy. Seriously

[urkel]

I think the biggest undeniable complaint is the 720p webcam. And maybe the fact that, while this is a solid update, its not a new design so this is pretty much what MacBooks will look like for the next 4 years.

That said, I priced out a 13" MBP 1TB 16GB model and it came out to only being $100 less than a 1TB/16GB MBP 15". Im not going to say that this is a value, but comparing spec/price to any of their current offerings then its a great computer and a refreshing sign that maybe Apple is back on track.

 

[nutmac]

Why all the OLED haters, it was good for iPhone. Heck I’m more excited for the 14” OLED MAcBook Pro. What Apple has done is set the stage for market acceptance. Tim Cook is a supply chain master loves off the shelf parts and with Samsung making tons of 15.6” OLED panels which can be easily adapted to be 16” OLED panels and 14” QHD OLED panels being off the shelf Tim can get a significant price and cost savings.
Apple has wisely waited.
Back when I said iPhone was going OLED maybe the same people said well Burnin bs where are they now ?

We love OLEDs, just not for computers because most of us use apps with lots of static contents like web browser, word processor/text editor, and messaging app.

That's a good reason why Apple chose to go with mini LED for its Pro Display XDR. Burn in risk for typical computer use + lower peak brightness on OLED. Not to mention higher price.

As for 16" MBP itself, yes, it's not a "Mac Pro" level revision you were hoping for. But for that to happen we need:

• Unannounced 10th gen Intel i9 processor, which also brings in higher speed RAM support, Wi-Fi 6, and USB 4.0
• Mini LED 16" display, which would no doubt raise the price significantly (maybe $3,499 and up starting price)

Apple isn't going to move away from Intel until their ARM processor is more fully baked for desktop use.

MacBook Pros will probably one day use mini LED or even micro LED, but they need to become cheaper. As much as I would love new Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on my desk, paying over $10,000 for it isn't something I would do.

 

[TheRealAlex]

We love OLEDs, just not for computers because most of us use apps with lots of static contents like web browser, word processor/text editor, and messaging app.

That's a good reason why Apple chose to go with mini LED for its Pro Display XDR. Burn in risk for typical computer use + lower peak brightness on OLED. Not to mention higher price.

As for 16" MBP itself, yes, it's not a "Mac Pro" level revision you were hoping for. But for that to happen we need:

• Unannounced 10th gen Intel i9 processor, which also brings in higher speed RAM support, Wi-Fi 6, and USB 4.0
• Mini LED 16" display, which would no doubt raise the price significantly (maybe $3,499 and up starting price)

Apple isn't going to move away from Intel until their ARM processor is more fully baked for desktop use.

MacBook Pros will probably one day use mini LED or even micro LED, but they need to become cheaper. As much as I would love new Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on my desk, paying over $10,000 for it isn't something I would do.

Raising the price significantly Is NOT an issue for Apple shoppers. I think Tim Cook himself said he wanted to position Apple as a luxury brand more like Louis Vuitton or Chanel than just a budget school computer.

 

[LoganT]

Wow you’re like the worst type of YouTube tech channel but in text form.

 

[wallysb01]

Raising the price significantly Is NOT an issue for Apple shoppers. I think Tim Cook himself said he wanted to position Apple as a luxury brand more like Louis Vuitton or Chanel than just a budget school computer.

But raising the price for a product because you added a feature that arguably makes the product worse is a problem. Luxury brand or not.

 

[yanksrock100]

Lol, every year somebody posts like this

 

[ThisBougieLife]

I'm getting it but if there's an OLED/microLED version in 2020 I'm selling it and getting that. So there's a bit of a risk, but I have a 2016 MBP that I've replaced the keyboard on once and I'm ready for something different.

New display technology would be the one factor that would make me want the 2020. I don't really care about WiFi 6 or 10th gen Intel.

 

[Lucifer666]

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[theapplehead]

Wifi 6 isn't supported yet by the current Intel Chipset, that is why not because Apple didn't want to.

Hence why Apple is looking to develop there own ARM chips for macs. Intel just can’t bring anything appealing to the table-and certainly not in a decent timeframe.

 

[nutmac]

Raising the price significantly Is NOT an issue for Apple shoppers. I think Tim Cook himself said he wanted to position Apple as a luxury brand more like Louis Vuitton or Chanel than just a budget school computer.

That may be true for Mac Pro, which has iMac Pro as a suitable cheaper alternative.

When it comes to 15-inch MacBook Pro replacement, which is Apple's #1 pro product, Apple needs to treads more carefully. While I would've loved XDR-style mini LED 16-inch MacBook Pro, I doubt my employer would be as happy to pay $1,000 to 2,000 premium for it.

 

[1198271]

They need to shrink the 16 MBP top bezel.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

I need a laptop now and the 16" pretty much has everything I need.. DOn't really care about Wi-Fi 6 really, already got gigabit at home and it's more than enough.

 

[terraphantm]

Wifi 6 isn't supported yet by the current Intel Chipset, that is why not because Apple didn't want to.

So I haven't really kept up with tech news - what makes Wifi 6 dependent on a new chip? In the old days all they had to do was install whatever wifi module and it'd just work.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

So I haven't really kept up with tech news - what makes Wifi 6 dependent on a new chip? In the old days all they had to do was install whatever wifi module and it'd just work.

It's intel who needs to update their architecture and so far only the 10th gen ones do have it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I need a laptop now and the 16" pretty much has everything I need.. DOn't really care about Wi-Fi 6 really, already got gigabit at home and it's more than enough.

So are you only using the MacBook with an Ethernet dongle?

 

[alphaod]

1) So what do you expect Apple to do? Not release a new laptop? If you're not satisfied, don't buy it. There are literally thousands of other choices on the market for you.
2) RAM speed doesn't matter that much. I have a 2666MHz RAM on one of my desktops and 3600MHz low latency RAM on another. I honestly don't notice the difference.
3) Maybe I don't care about those other things?
4) I don't go around punching infants, and nor should you. You need to get checked if you do.
5) I do with Apple gave us the RTX 2080, but can't have with the whole Apple Radeon combo going on. I agree I wish I had better choices.
6) That's not the worse problem. I don't have WiFi 6 network equipment and I don't know anyone who does, and honestly you won't see that for a couple years in a hotels and public spaces.

What you gonna be doing next year is complaining and ranting about the next Mac.

 

[LoganT]

So are you only using the MacBook with an Ethernet dongle?

Do you think that 802.11ac can’t support a gigabit?

 

[terraphantm]

It's intel who needs to update their architecture and so far only the 10th gen ones do have it.

But why does the CPU architecture have any relevance to what kind of Wifi they can put in the machine? In the desktop PC world it seems like I can just grab a Wifi 6 PCIe card and have Wifi 6 without having to buy a new CPU. So why is the 10th generation Intel CPU the hold up for Wifi 6?

 

[MrGunnyPT]

But why does the CPU architecture have any relevance to what kind of Wifi they can put in the machine? In the desktop PC world it seems like I can just grab a Wifi 6 PCIe card and have Wifi 6 without having to buy a new CPU. So why is the 10th generation Intel CPU the hold up for Wifi 6?

On laptops it depends on what the CPU gives basically?

 

[Howard2k]

But why does the CPU architecture have any relevance to what kind of Wifi they can put in the machine? In the desktop PC world it seems like I can just grab a Wifi 6 PCIe card and have Wifi 6 without having to buy a new CPU. So why is the 10th generation Intel CPU the hold up for Wifi 6?

The wireless controller is embedded. So Apple could still add an additional 802.11ax controller too, but then there are two. And for what gain? Wifi6 is an improvement for sure, but their deployment of ac is not slouchy in the higher end Pros with 3x3.

 

[norsemen]

#5. AMD GPU 5500M is on AMDs own site less powerful than Xbox One X which hits 6 TFLOPS and the 5500M just 4 TFLOPS

One GPU is designed to run off a battery, the other one off fixed power. Someone needs to take an introduction to computer science

 

[Ries]

On laptops it depends on what the CPU gives basically?

Not even close. The 9th gen are the first to have partial wifi and it's not on the CPU but in the chipset (And only the high end version). Prior to that, wifi have been pcie plugin cards with bluetooth. Nothing is stopping Apple in making a pcie wifi 6 module or integrate it into the T2 chip.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Nothing is stopping Apple in making a pcie wifi 6 module or integrate it into the T2 chip.

Desire to save bullet points for next years spec bump is the only thing stopping them.

 

[jerryk]

Has anyone read the 802.11ax (WiFi 6)? My reading is it that it really shines in crowded environments such as a stadiums, airports, etc. Any speed up from using new bands is at this time dependent on these bands being allocated for Wifi, which has not yet occurred, but may in the future. Also it requires both the Wifi Access Points and the device to support 802.11x.

So it should be great, but needs the infrastructure we use, Access Points, etc to be upgraded.

 

[ET iPhone Home]

Here are a few facts everyone needs to know about the 16” MBP Before Buying.

#1. It’s still a 12 year old CPU design 14nm that’s still Vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown it’s a 9th Gen
#2. RAM is limited to 2666 MHz
#3. The Display has a lot of issues. Not HDR10 compliant despite being 500nits, Apple own page says the color spectrum is Limited to Millions of Colors which confirms it’s just an 8-bit IPS panel. Lastly it’s Not 120Hz ProMotion like the iPad Pros.
(Apple hopes you don’t notice this and just focus on the thinner bezels)
#4. You are gonna want to punch an infant next year 2020 Samsung has begun production on 16” OLED laptop Display gee I wonder for what customer ?

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#5. AMD GPU 5500M is on AMDs own site less powerful than Xbox One X which hits 6 TFLOPS and the 5500M just 4 TFLOPS
#6. Worst of all IMO, Not WiFi 6 complaint or Ready for a Laptop and how important WiFi 6 is this is inexcusable.
#7. No one asked for 6 Speakers in a Laptop it’s not necessary use the space for something else. Like more vents

So if you guys are cool with buying A 2018 MBP with a 0.4” Larger Display that’s on you. I’ll waive from the next Starbucks table with my 16” OLED MacBook Pro soon.

Thank you for listing all the CONS.

1. Is the keyboard the same as on the 2018,2019 MBP, the ones with issues?
2. When can we expect the OLED MBP?

I may have to buy this 16" MBP. I've been holding out because of the keyboard issues. Secondly, I'm coming from a 2011 MBA. I need a replacement laptop. I must admit I don't need the power of a 16" MBP compared to my 2011 MBA, but I'm after the screen size.