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Failed a drug test and lost job and home
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freeny said:Yes its true. You are officially superior. Blue Velvet has spoken.
athetic rolleyes:
several links to Blue Velvets use of pathetic rolleyes-
What is the point of this taunt again?
Apparently Blue Velvet has disagreed with my suggestion that BakedBeans avatar is a reference to someone taking acid. She claims that through her own experience with "raves" and personal drug use she has never encountered this reference, and therefore has strongly determined that I am wrong, ignoring the fact the there are more people and opinions in this world than herself. This of course has prompted her to make a personal attack on my "pathetic" use of the rolleye smiley. I then decided to point out several instances where she too has chosen to use the dreaded pathetic rolleyes smiley, showing that I do not hold a monopoly on this horrible social faux pas.
You are correct, pointless...
You are correct, pointless...
Just to add some more fuel to the fire...freeny said:
In your previous post your suggestions seem to be more definite statements.
I don't see any tongue or pill, the girl is clearly holding a grape in her teeth so your argument is pretty flawed. And I don't know what the kiddie porn and smack references are for, didn't Calvin Klein sell pants? Maybe you just see what you want to see in pictures?
^this turn into the love battle '06? maybe the thread needs to be renamed The Drug Thread '06.
Drugs are bad........except ganja
Bless
Drugs are bad........except ganja
Bless
All this anti drug stuff pisses me off no end. If you look at the creativity of Apple versus Microsoft what do you actually think the original difference was? Steve Jobs was a flower child, and Bill Gates was a poker playing, drinking geek.
Don't even get me started on music I think Bill Hicks said it best "See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal f$cking high on drugs, man."
What I love most about the anti-drug types is all drugs are the same they are all evil, people who take them are all evil, or idiots, oh and of course the cigarettes, coffee, and alcohol aren't drugs! The only thing worse is someone telling us that marijuana isn't a drug when it is well proven that it is one of the best drugs out there for causing psychosis.
All of you anti drug types need to grow up the reality is there are actually drugs out there like LSD, and Ecstasy that people take because they feel good, are they bad for you yes, but then so are those cigarettes, coffee, and alcohol. There are also drugs out there made to keep you addicted and to make drug dealers rich, like speed, heroin, crack, cigarettes, coffee, and alcohol.
If the OP is being open and honest why do you feel you need to tear him down? All this thread has done has proven that some of you are pretty clueless, and not very nice people. How the OP came to take crack isn't at issue here, getting help to get off one of the worlds most addictive drugs is. Sometimes people need to hit rock bottom to start moving up, and here's hoping if this story is true that it does happen.
I'll leave you with something that happened at work yesterday. One of the notebook break fix engineers I work with was telling me how pissed off he was, and how he wanted to kill his neighbour because she is addicted to heroin. She has recently moved in to the flat under his, put there by the Red Cross so she has somewhere to live, and hopefully get her life around. Anywho I asked him why he wants to kill her, and he said well it's a pain in the butt everytime he needs sleep she's up playing music all day, and I asked why that was a pain in the butt? BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS GOT A HANG OVER WHEN IT IS HAPPENING. Like some of the not so caring people here he spends his time telling me how she deserves to be chucked out in the street, hopefully she will die, he wants to bash her to shut her up, so he can enjoy his hang overs. What is the definition of irony again?
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Don't even get me started on music I think Bill Hicks said it best "See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal f$cking high on drugs, man."
What I love most about the anti-drug types is all drugs are the same they are all evil, people who take them are all evil, or idiots, oh and of course the cigarettes, coffee, and alcohol aren't drugs! The only thing worse is someone telling us that marijuana isn't a drug when it is well proven that it is one of the best drugs out there for causing psychosis.
All of you anti drug types need to grow up the reality is there are actually drugs out there like LSD, and Ecstasy that people take because they feel good, are they bad for you yes, but then so are those cigarettes, coffee, and alcohol. There are also drugs out there made to keep you addicted and to make drug dealers rich, like speed, heroin, crack, cigarettes, coffee, and alcohol.
If the OP is being open and honest why do you feel you need to tear him down? All this thread has done has proven that some of you are pretty clueless, and not very nice people. How the OP came to take crack isn't at issue here, getting help to get off one of the worlds most addictive drugs is. Sometimes people need to hit rock bottom to start moving up, and here's hoping if this story is true that it does happen.
I'll leave you with something that happened at work yesterday. One of the notebook break fix engineers I work with was telling me how pissed off he was, and how he wanted to kill his neighbour because she is addicted to heroin. She has recently moved in to the flat under his, put there by the Red Cross so she has somewhere to live, and hopefully get her life around. Anywho I asked him why he wants to kill her, and he said well it's a pain in the butt everytime he needs sleep she's up playing music all day, and I asked why that was a pain in the butt? BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS GOT A HANG OVER WHEN IT IS HAPPENING. Like some of the not so caring people here he spends his time telling me how she deserves to be chucked out in the street, hopefully she will die, he wants to bash her to shut her up, so he can enjoy his hang overs. What is the definition of irony again?
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here are some links to help you on the Calvin Klein issue, perhaps this was a U.S. only thing;mpw said:
http://www.nationalfamilies.org/publications/about_nfia/klein_ads.html
http://store.soliscompany.com/kpoco.html
http://archive.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/03/12feature.html
http://www.caseplace.org/cases/cases_show.htm?doc_id=81952
risc said:
I couldn't help but think the same thing. After reading through all the posts, I can only speculate that most, if not all of those who posted negative reactions have never dealt with drug addition, either for themselves or someone close.
I'm not totally anti-drugs but your arguments don't hold a lot of weight.risc said:
Are you seriously saying that Jobs being high was what made/makes Apple great? That only drug taking musicians can write good music?
As for your charming co-worker, what's the story supposed to convey, pro-drugs? pro-stupid? irony? He says to you that he wants to kill someone because they use heroin, so you ask why he wants to kill her (didn't he just tell you?) so he says 'cause she plays loud music. So which is it noise or heroin use he's got a problem with? Would he be fine living over a quiet cocaine user? Would he kill a sober opera singer? He's an idiot plain and simple, not an example of the anti-drug argument.
risc said:
good points. i love bill hicks and that is a priceless quote. --- his whole bit about drugs was hysterical. - "not all drugs are good.... some are great!"
indeed. 
Oh, I've added plenty of drugs. It's the addiction you've got to watch for.aquajet said:
But seriously, all those po-faced "I've never touched anything in my life" types should reflect on the nature of addiction, not the substances themselves: how many "straight" people are addicted to money, power, sex, cruelty, religion and so on? Drugs are in some ways the least destructive addiction. Get off your high horses....(as it were).
mpw said:
I agree. That is pretty ridiculous.
Not to say that many great musicians didn't take drugs. Berlioz was a musical genius and had an opium addiction. Then again, Paul McCartney used drugs, and I don't believe he's particularly talented.
risc said:
The gathering included a discussion of how early computer pioneers used LSD for inspiration. Douglas Englebart, the inventor of the mouse, Myron Stolaroff, a former Ampex engineer and LSD researcher who was attending the symposium, and Apple-cofounder Steve Jobs were among them. In the 2005 book What the Dormouse Said, New York Times reporter John Markoff quotes Jobs describing his LSD experience as "one of the two or three most important things he has done in his life."
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70015-0.html?tw=wn_tophead_1
Did Jobs experience have anything to do with Apple? I haven't got a clue,its seems to have effected his outlook though.
Chacala_Nayarit said:I was working and living on a boat, and upon getting accepted full-time into the engineering department the computer pulled three "lucky contestents" to go for drug tests - my name was on the list.
So now I am camping outside and jobless. Going to check into a shelter tonight.
Bottom line: don't smoke crack, it's bad stuff.
two things:
1) as many have said, seek help for your addiction...i hope this works out well for you and there are a lot of resources
2) having studied labor and employment law, i agree with the lawyers who contend that drug tests are illegal and unconstitutional...and dr. dean edell also backs up the argument against drug testing on medical and ethical grounds
actually i have not heard a lawyer or legal expert of any kind (judge, law professor, human resources professional/legal side) say that drug testing is legal or ethical, but many an employer feels it's important to know the status of an employee
let's say i owned and operated a busing operation that picked up kids that went to private schools (who don't follow the same number strict laws in many areas that a public school would)...i would want to cover my legal butt and make sure none of those people did drugs, legal or illegal, or drank to excess in such a way it would make their job dangerous to the children being transported
i fully know and understand the law to forbid the invasion of privacy of the unethical practice of drug tests, but i can see where an employer finds themselves in a quandry
when i worked for a non profit corporation, and chaired another on the board of directors, and worked for the federal government in two different capacities, drug tests were not done or even mentioned and maybe in california there are some laws to that effect
there are some gray areas in law, even when it seems obvious that one side or the other is correct and has the documentation and consensus to prove it
i truly believe personal injury attorneys, in bad taste but legal, have made employers seek drug testing for their employees
watching the confirmation hearings of would be conservative judges all the way back to the days of president reagan strongly proclaiming their views on personal freedom, and being against drug testing in general does not change the fact that in our society, drug testing of employees will go on, and also unlawful search of employees and their belongings, and have most instances left unreported because of the employee's need to get and retain a job/career
in one landmark case in my area, my friend's father, who used to watch over us and do a good job, rose to the postition of ceo of a company and performed unlawful and even sexual searches of female (not male) employees as well as having had sex with a number of illegal alien women who knew it could mean deportation (in their minds/fears) if they ever spoke up...he basically broke a whole boatload of labor and employment laws and got away with it for years until his (forced) retirement where he remained free of charges
so if an employer could invade a person's (employee) to that level in this day and age, it is doubtful that the shameful, unethical, and illegal practice of drug testing remains
....
now i will play devil's advocate on my legal/ethical argument
let's say that drug testing does become law and generally accepted by doctors and lawyers (both liberal and federalistic conservatives)
it would have to be accurate and not mix up legal presription medications and foods (such as poppy seed muffins) with illegal drugs
it would have to isolate illegal drugs such as heroin from legal pain killers under prescription (such as oxycontin and mscontin) and never fail in its analysis of the blood or urine work
an employer would have to agree to take the test(s) himself/herself
an employer would not be allowed to give the drug tests to some employees and not others in a show of favoritism
only then would these drug tests hope to convince a large enough amount of doctors and lawyers
yellow said:
yeah, and i am sure the usa and president bush warned iraq before unilaterally attacking them and taking out saddam...but later feeling the wrath of the western world's legal scholars and legislative leaders who were largely with us on the "first" iraq war, but not on board on this current one
the point i was making was the basic illegality of drug testing
but of course common sense would be not to do drugs in a culture that tolerates drug testing
