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This is a classic throw the baby out with the bath water argument. One bad app gets through and it’s curtains for apples review process. How many bad apps were stopped?
Do you really think that there is (was) just one bad app in the App Store? Despite Apple claims, nobody really checks the apps in the App Store (except for the use of "unauthorized" APIs that may reduce Apple profits).
 
They how are you so sure other solutions won't be just as good if not better?

I would say that if other solutions have invested a similar amount of capital and number of qualified reviewers with the same motivation (good working conditions, pay, and benefits) and good management to get as close to perfection as Apple has, then they should be just as good.

I have no idea how much Apple spends per year to keep their App Store review process running. It's probably not an insignificant amount of money.

If an alternate app store can't match the above (whatever that is), I would expect inferior results.
 
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If anything, alternative app stores might be more secure. The store does not need to have millions of apps (like App Store does). It may focus on the essential apps and do a better job with app selection and validation.
Some might be more secure. I think there would be more benefits to allowing third-party moderation of the App Store than allowing third-party App Stores.
 
That's just something that you made up. Cynicism isn't a substitute for logic.
Nope. As a software developer, I just don't believe that anyone can really check the app without the access to the source code and Apple does not have one. The only thing they can do is to ban the developers after the app was caught doing bad things but that's not good enough. It's easy to get a new account.
 
Apple is getting to the point where they REALLY need to be taken down a peg.
I feel like they’re doing a pretty good job of that themselves. I see fewer and fewer people enthusiastically buying the latest and greatest from Apple.

Even the VP launch was muted by Apple standards. I walked by an Apple Store on the day of launch and it seemed like any other day.
 
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Nope. As a software developer, I just don't believe that anyone can really check the app without the access to the source code and Apple does not have one. The only thing they can do is to ban the developers after the app was caught doing bad things but that's not good enough. It's easy to get a new account.
They can certainly run the app and do a basic check of its basic functionality. They've caught a few crashes for the developers that I work with.

To be clear, I don't think they can check everything. You can certainly hide functionality as a number of developers have been caught doing. But there is a big difference between everything and "nobody really checks the apps in the App Store (except for the use of "unauthorized" APIs that may reduce Apple profits)."
 
I would say that if other solutions have invested a similar amount of capital and number of qualified reviewers with the same motivation (good working conditions, pay, and benefits) and good management to get as close to perfection as Apple has, then they should be just as good.

I have no idea how much Apple spends per year to keep their App Store review process running. It's probably not an insignificant amount of money.

If an alternate app store can't match the above (whatever that is), I would expect inferior results.

If we had competition, stores could stake out positions in different segments of the market. For example, one could focus on only offering the best apps in each category. Instead of dozens if not hundreds of PDF viewer/editor apps they could could carefully select 3-5 that stake out optimal price/quality positions. Some could go red light district while others very Disney.

Granted more stores means more work for the developer to market so no panacea. Unfortunately no perfect solutions on the horizon. Just better solutions when two platforms represent 99% of the market for devices that have become necessary to navigate day-to-day life (I saw government parking the other day that had no meters -- you had to use their app to pay for it).

Speaking of which, interesting that Apple waived the new rules in the EU for governments and non-profits...
 
Do you really think that there is (was) just one bad app in the App Store? Despite Apple claims, nobody really checks the apps in the App Store (except for the use of "unauthorized" APIs that may reduce Apple profits).
No there is probably at least two. But apple is under obligation to protect its its profits. Finding bad apps, makes the App Store safer, which has a downstream impact on customers, which helps apple protect its profits.
 
More important than Apple missing one is what this portends for the results of the misguided EU digital law.

Bee very careful what you wish for.

This will seem like child's play after app stores not under Apple's authority have been open for even a few months. You can be sure the incidents and losses suffered by Apple customers buying outside of Apple's App Store will exponentially exceed anything going on now or in the past.

The irony will be reflected in how many people try to blame Apple and then again seek restitution.
 
No it doesn't. If there were more App Stores Apple would be forced to get security correct rather than it just being a marketing thing. Apple could no longer just tell people the App Store is secure, it would have to actually be secure. That is what competition actually does.

A great example of "competition being great" is happening right now in monitors

Dell, MSI, Asus, HP, etc

All are bringing OLED 32" 240hz 4k monitors to market right now.
Here's the kicker -- all are using the same panel

They are competing on exact specs of connectivity and warranty and some smaller spec variations

Dell came out first with theirs (Alienware) and a great multi-year burn in warranty, which is a big thing on OLEDs.

Sure enough, the other brands just announced their own coverage of OLED burn in, which they previously weren't offering, in order to match up with Dell and not have that be used against their offerings.

Competition, alone, is what drove a great upgrade and warranty for the consumers.

Everyone here should want competition in business.
It's literally a benefit to you

An Apple App Store with actual competition would benefit you as the consumer
 
A great example of "competition being great" is happening right now in monitors

Dell, MSI, Asus, HP, etc

All are bringing OLED 32" 240hz 4k monitors to market right now.
Here's the kicker -- all are using the same panel

They are competing on exact specs of connectivity and warranty and some smaller spec variations

Dell came out first with theirs (Alienware) and a great multi-year burn in warranty, which is a big thing on OLEDs.

Sure enough, the other brands just announced their own coverage of OLED burn in, which they previously weren't offering, in order to match up with Dell and not have that be used against their offerings.

Competition, alone, is what drove a great upgrade and warranty for the consumers.

Everyone here should want competition in business.
It's literally a benefit to you

An Apple App Store with actual competition would benefit you as the consumer
Natural competition is great. Competition by government regulation, means there are winners and losers at someone’s expense.
 
The AppStore review process is horrendous and needs a complete overhaul. This is the one single thing Apple should make a priority.
I am quite sure the 99% of Apple consumers would disagree with you and 99% of developers would agree with you.

For the vast majority of people, the system is not broken. Technophiles and developers are the only ones who think it is. Not surprising when you work in a bubble.
 
I am quite sure the 99% of Apple consumers would disagree with you and 99% of developers would agree with you.

For the vast majority of people, the system is not broken. Technophiles and developers are the only ones who think it is. Not surprising when you work in a bubble.
I'd bet 99% of developer's don't think it's broken either.
 
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I can understand a dodgy update sneaking through because those are mostly approved automatically but shouldn't an actual person be reviewing NEW apps? How the heck did this sneak through?
Makes ya wonder, doesn't it? You would think that people trying to download this would have stopped in their tracks and be like "Wait, this is LassPass, not LastPass", but then again, unfortunately some fall into traps like these too easily
 
Apple removed it but they couldn’t if these are 3rd party apps stores. I envy you European countries. Good luck.

It is wild life outside the walled garden.
 
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