Fallout 4 Discussion

[Non-Euclidean]

By far, F4 has to be the most annoying of the series. It really points to Bethesda not knowing how to value good RPG game design over insipid minigaming and resource mining. It also did wonders for detracting from the open world aspects of the game. I guess one could have just let the settlements fail. I don't remember if I did that, or what.

I do know I uninstalled F4, and have no intention to reinstall it for its own sake. For FO London, yes. Maybe again for FO California. In the meanwhile I have replayed F, F2, various FNV DLC and F3 DLC content since F4. Nothing like listening to Michael Ironsides lecture you in Honest Hearts, or stealthing across the Alaska wildy in Operation Anchorage. Now and then FT for the squad based combat and I like that aspect of the game. FNV is always installed so I can fire it up and go on a sniping spree for Legionnaires or their hit teams or sweep for raiders outside NV.

It really makes me think that when they get around to F5 it will be more of the same. The only thing, which is the last thing I would have ever expected to say as a software/tech professional since the nineties, is that maybe we can hope for MS to do something.

 

[maflynn]

if it was just having a DLC installed or you had to visit a DLC location to trigger it as a radiant quest location

Just having it installed is what causes the BOS, and some railroad side quests to be located in far harbor. It happens so much that I keep it uninstalled. I rarely play it, but I'm embracing this go around. I almost always side with the settlers against Dima and the children of the atom. One of my favorite actions is to detonate the nuke in the sub

 

[Huntn]

Just having it installed is what causes the BOS, and some railroad side quests to be located in far harbor. It happens so much that I keep it uninstalled. I rarely play it, but I'm embracing this go around. I almost always side with the settlers against Dima and the children of the atom. One of my favorite actions is to detonate the nuke in the sub

Imo, it should be programmed to be triggered by a visit, acknowledging you actually went there and discovered it as part of the quest to find the missing daughter.

 

[Huntn]

By far, F4 has to be the most annoying of the series. It really points to Bethesda not knowing how to value good RPG game design over insipid minigaming and resource mining. It also did wonders for detracting from the open world aspects of the game. I guess one could have just let the settlements fail. I don't remember if I did that, or what.

I do know I uninstalled F4, and have no intention to reinstall it for its own sake. For FO London, yes. Maybe again for FO California. In the meanwhile I have replayed F, F2, various FNV DLC and F3 DLC content since F4. Nothing like listening to Michael Ironsides lecture you in Honest Hearts, or stealthing across the Alaska wildy in Operation Anchorage. Now and then FT for the squad based combat and I like that aspect of the game. FNV is always installed so I can fire it up and go on a sniping spree for Legionnaires or their hit teams or sweep for raiders outside NV.

It really makes me think that when they get around to F5 it will be more of the same. The only thing, which is the last thing I would have ever expected to say as a software/tech professional since the nineties, is that maybe we can hope for MS to do something.

For myself it turns out that F4 was the best despite its flaws. I was totally assimilated and could overlook the short comings, some mitigated with mods. 🙂

But after my Starfield experience, I don’t plan on spending any $70 on F5. I’ll watch, wait, and listen to the critiques. The worst about Starfield? F4 had two slam dunk companions I actually fell in love with in a gaming environment sort of way, but for Starfield, the companions mostly turned me off or where barely tolerable. This idea that a companion could fall in love with you, based on the framework of your relationship of barely addressing each other is troublesome, especially when you don’t even care for them in the first place (within the game’s story). In F4, I could read between the lines with relationships. In Starfield, everything had improved except social interaction which was stagnant and consequently felt substantially worse as compared to F4. They should have spent more time studying CP2077. 🤔

 

[maflynn]

But after my Starfield experience,

Yeah, it seems that Starfield was an eye opening experience for many Bethesda fans. I think Bethesda recovered from the disastrious release of fallout 76 but everyone was counting on Starfield and it failed for too many reasons.

The next gen update last year, breaking mods, adding even worse bugs, and having Bethesda ignore it for a year was incredulous and now turning around to try to charge for the anniversary edition that has bugs has net a review bomb of Fallout 4 on steam and recent reviews have a status of mostly negative.

I don’t plan on spending any $70 on F5

Elder Scrolls is still a ways off (as per Tim Howard), and that's the next game up in the queue. F5 may still be a decade away.