Fallout 4 Discussion

[Non-Euclidean]

By far, F4 has to be the most annoying of the series. It really points to Bethesda not knowing how to value good RPG game design over insipid minigaming and resource mining. It also did wonders for detracting from the open world aspects of the game. I guess one could have just let the settlements fail. I don't remember if I did that, or what.

I do know I uninstalled F4, and have no intention to reinstall it for its own sake. For FO London, yes. Maybe again for FO California. In the meanwhile I have replayed F, F2, various FNV DLC and F3 DLC content since F4. Nothing like listening to Michael Ironsides lecture you in Honest Hearts, or stealthing across the Alaska wildy in Operation Anchorage. Now and then FT for the squad based combat and I like that aspect of the game. FNV is always installed so I can fire it up and go on a sniping spree for Legionnaires or their hit teams or sweep for raiders outside NV.

It really makes me think that when they get around to F5 it will be more of the same. The only thing, which is the last thing I would have ever expected to say as a software/tech professional since the nineties, is that maybe we can hope for MS to do something.

 

[maflynn]

if it was just having a DLC installed or you had to visit a DLC location to trigger it as a radiant quest location

Just having it installed is what causes the BOS, and some railroad side quests to be located in far harbor. It happens so much that I keep it uninstalled. I rarely play it, but I'm embracing this go around. I almost always side with the settlers against Dima and the children of the atom. One of my favorite actions is to detonate the nuke in the sub 🙂

 

[Huntn]

Just having it installed is what causes the BOS, and some railroad side quests to be located in far harbor. It happens so much that I keep it uninstalled. I rarely play it, but I'm embracing this go around. I almost always side with the settlers against Dima and the children of the atom. One of my favorite actions is to detonate the nuke in the sub 🙂

Imo, it should be programmed to be triggered by a visit, acknowledging you actually went there and discovered it as part of the quest to find the missing daughter.

 

[Huntn]

By far, F4 has to be the most annoying of the series. It really points to Bethesda not knowing how to value good RPG game design over insipid minigaming and resource mining. It also did wonders for detracting from the open world aspects of the game. I guess one could have just let the settlements fail. I don't remember if I did that, or what.

I do know I uninstalled F4, and have no intention to reinstall it for its own sake. For FO London, yes. Maybe again for FO California. In the meanwhile I have replayed F, F2, various FNV DLC and F3 DLC content since F4. Nothing like listening to Michael Ironsides lecture you in Honest Hearts, or stealthing across the Alaska wildy in Operation Anchorage. Now and then FT for the squad based combat and I like that aspect of the game. FNV is always installed so I can fire it up and go on a sniping spree for Legionnaires or their hit teams or sweep for raiders outside NV.

It really makes me think that when they get around to F5 it will be more of the same. The only thing, which is the last thing I would have ever expected to say as a software/tech professional since the nineties, is that maybe we can hope for MS to do something.

For myself it turns out that F4 was the best despite its flaws. I was totally assimilated and could overlook the short comings, some mitigated with mods. 🙂

But after my Starfield experience, I don’t plan on spending any $70 on F5. I’ll watch, wait, and listen to the critiques. The worst about Starfield? F4 had two slam dunk companions I actually fell in love with in a gaming environment sort of way, but for Starfield, the companions mostly turned me off or where barely tolerable. This idea that a companion could fall in love with you, based on the framework of your relationship of barely addressing each other is troublesome, especially when you don’t even care for them in the first place (within the game’s story). In F4, I could read between the lines with relationships. In Starfield, everything had improved except social interaction which was stagnant and consequently felt substantially worse as compared to F4. They should have spent more time studying CP2077. 🤔

 

[maflynn]

But after my Starfield experience,

Yeah, it seems that Starfield was an eye opening experience for many Bethesda fans. I think Bethesda recovered from the disastrious release of fallout 76 but everyone was counting on Starfield and it failed for too many reasons.

The next gen update last year, breaking mods, adding even worse bugs, and having Bethesda ignore it for a year was incredulous and now turning around to try to charge for the anniversary edition that has bugs has net a review bomb of Fallout 4 on steam and recent reviews have a status of mostly negative.

I don’t plan on spending any $70 on F5

Elder Scrolls is still a ways off (as per Tim Howard), and that's the next game up in the queue. F5 may still be a decade away.

 

[Huntn]

Yeah, it seems that Starfield was an eye opening experience for many Bethesda fans. I think Bethesda recovered from the disastrious release of fallout 76 but everyone was counting on Starfield and it failed for too many reasons.

The next gen update last year, breaking mods, adding even worse bugs, and having Bethesda ignore it for a year was incredulous and now turning around to try to charge for the anniversary edition that has bugs has net a review bomb of Fallout 4 on steam and recent reviews have a status of mostly negative.
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Elder Scrolls is still a ways off (as per Tim Howard), and that's the next game up in the queue. F5 may still be a decade away.

$70 on any game by any publisher without a great deal of consideration and urgency which I seem to lack these days. 🤔

 

[maflynn]

So bethesda being bethesda, they released an update yesterday that broke the game - the update inadvertently changed the saved game location and so you couldn't load your saved games, The creations menu disappeared too. They came out with a quick hotfix to address the saved game issue - not sure about the creations menu.

 

[Queen6]

$70 on any game by any publisher without a great deal of consideration and urgency which I seem to lack these days. 🤔

Have yet to pay $60 for a game, publishers expecting $70 or more for broken unfinished games deliberately split into parts to farm DLC's is just their wet dream.

Never preorder, wait at least 12 months after release, games with known issues that require players time to fix 70% discount minimum...

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[maflynn]

Doesn't look like Amazon's fallout series has any sort of halo effect on the fallout universe - last time we saw a nice spike in user engagement in fallout 4 but the numbers have decreased not increased.

The bugs, problems and charging a premium for their "anniversary" edition all have come back to haunt Bethesda

 

[Huntn]

Doesn't look like Amazon's fallout series has any sort of halo effect on the fallout universe - last time we saw a nice spike in user engagement in fallout 4 but the numbers have decreased not increased.

The bugs, problems and charging a premium for their "anniversary" edition all have come back to haunt Bethesda
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Likely the bump was from new players who saw the series, and decided to try the game? F4 has a narrative I loved in 2015 but it’s nothing to do with the series narrative. I’ve not played F76 for a long time, but I’d kinda say the same thing about that to, as compared to say The Last of US, series vs game. 🤔

 

[Queen6]

Doesn't look like Amazon's fallout series has any sort of halo effect on the fallout universe - last time we saw a nice spike in user engagement in fallout 4 but the numbers have decreased not increased.

The bugs, problems and charging a premium for their "anniversary" edition all have come back to haunt Bethesda
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The operative word being GREED, just picked up State of Decay 2 Juggernaut edition 80% discount across all platforms, all DLC's unlocked. Studio did this for the players as a tribute 😎

Fair chance when State of Decay 3 releases will be high on my radar. Next Bethesda game ZZZ. I like and support studios that support me as a player not treat me as an ATM...

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[Huntn]

I finally got around to downloading Fallout London from GOG. It's a mod, but it will install to a drive as a complete F4 install, plus the added content, at least it appears that way.

If anyone is familiar.
I have F4 installed on one drive, and Fallout London installed on a different drive, both purchased from GOG.
Both games will start, the FALON install shows London Mod splash pages. However, I notice if I choose "load" I can choose F4 saves. I believe this is because they both use the same Save folder.

If you played both could you keep both game's saves in the same folder, or should I backup my F4 Saves and set them aside until when I get done playing FALON?

Now Vortex, it does not recognize the FALON install. In that game folder there is a F4.exe, and a FALON.exe. I could swear there was a time when Vortex had a button to add a game to it manually, but I no longer see that. I'm wondering if I changed the name of the Fallout London Folder to Fallout 4, would Vortex now recognize it as a F4 install to allow me to manage and install mods into it.
Thanks!

 

[maflynn]

I fired up FO4, and picked up where I last left it. I have to say its one of those games that have high re-playability.

I'm currently at a level 44, I had completed the Nuka World DLC, and I'm nearing the end game for the main story line. I'm unsure which faction I want to align myself too. I almost always pick the railroad, partly due to the post institute quests available, and partly their story aligns with my philosophy. I'm kind of tempted to side with the BOS this go around.

I'm currently doing the Blind Betrayal where you need to either Kill Danse or convince Maxon to let him live.

 

[Plutonius]

I fired up FO4, and picked up where I last left it. I have to say its one of those games that have high re-playability.

I'm currently at a level 44, I had completed the Nuka World DLC, and I'm nearing the end game for the main story line. I'm unsure which faction I want to align myself too. I almost always pick the railroad, partly due to the post institute quests available, and partly their story aligns with my philosophy. I'm kind of tempted to side with the BOS this go around.

I'm currently doing the Blind Betrayal where you need to either Kill Danse or convince Maxon to let him live.

In all my play throughs, I have never actually finished the main quest line 🙂.

 

[maflynn]

In all my play throughs, I have never actually finished the main quest line 🙂.

Wow,
I'm not going to say that I'm surprised, that happens more often then people think.

 

[Plutonius]

Wow,
I'm not going to say that I'm surprised, that happens more often then people think.

I usually do everything else but completing the main quest and then I end up dropping the game.

 

[maflynn]

One of the biggest complaints complaints lodged against Fallout 4, is that your decisions have no impact.
I'm currently doing the Battle Bunker Hill, and it has zero impact on the game.
Side with the BOS and kill railroad and institute - only result is Father is mad that they don't get the synths back.
Side with the Railroad and kill BOS and institute- only result is Father is mad that they don't get the synths back.
Side with the Institute and no one is mad.

Nobody turns hostile, Desdemona and Maxson are not upset above the Institute getting their synths back. Its one of the only times in the game, that I feel Bethesda dropped the ball and didn't make a bigger deal over your choise

 

[Huntn]

One of the biggest complaints complaints lodged against Fallout 4, is that your decisions have no impact.
I'm currently doing the Battle Bunker Hill, and it has zero impact on the game.
Side with the BOS and kill railroad and institute - only result is Father is mad that they don't get the synths back.
Side with the Railroad and kill BOS and institute- only result is Father is mad that they don't get the synths back.
Side with the Institute and no one is mad.

Nobody turns hostile, Desdemona and Maxson are not upset above the Institute getting their synths back. Its one of the only times in the game, that I feel Bethesda dropped the ball and didn't make a bigger deal over your choise

I agree 100%. The first time I did The Battle of Bunker Hill, I was undercover at the Institute, and a member of Brotherhood of Steal and The Railroad! Siding with the RR, I was super worried that there were BOS mech suits there, that I was killing cause they seemed to be hostile, in addition to offing the Institute Courser at the start. I rationalize fog of war, neither Father or BOS was the wiser, they just had bad Intel on the incident. This battle if parameters were different, could have been used to make you choose. At that point I would have abandoned the BOS and (stop pretending about the) Institute if I had been forced too. I do admit that having to make these choices would give the game more teeth. But I do like keeping friendly relations as a free agent with 3 factions all against the evil Institute. 😉

 

[Huntn]

I usually do everything else but completing the main quest and then I end up dropping the game.

You lose interest in the story, get bored with the setting?

 

[Plutonius]

You lose interest in the story, get bored with the setting?

It's more of my library has many good games (many I haven't tried yet 🙂 ).

The lure of playing something else overcomes my desire to continue on.

 

[maflynn]

Sided with the BOS, and finished the game. In some ways, given how the commonwealth feels about synths, this ending makes sense in many respects. I just wished that they had some different, unique post Institute quests to wrap everything up.

I have a saved game, right before choosing the BOS/Institute/Railroad. I may go back and replay that portion of the game and side with the RR.

One untapped potential was the minutemen, their faction is probably the most milk-toasty, bland faction, and questlines of all the factions. They could have added a bit more to making the Minutemen more of a force to be reckoned with - maybe a showdown with the gunners, or something.

I've largely found that at some point in the game, Preston largely runs out of quests to give you, though by that point I'm largely tired of raider/ghoul troubles at a given settlement anyways.