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Fallout From Apple's Exclusion of Flash-to-iPhone Export Continues
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Windows fanboy? Didn't know they existed.Believe me there are plenty of Mac folks that have moved on from creaky old MS and Adobe products.
Windows hater? Tell us what exactly they replaced CS4 with?
Students with no time to learn learn objective-c
So ironic that self-described students are writing here that they have no time to learn objective-c. Students, want to succeed? Then take the time to study and learn!
So ironic that self-described students are writing here that they have no time to learn objective-c. Students, want to succeed? Then take the time to study and learn!
I did not read all 300 posts...
That article was arrogant. If I put out a blurb like that, my company would have fired me in a heart beat.
I do have to agree adobe products are getting outragious in price for what they offer. Plus they are tending to get more buggy.
Also for programming issues, lets look at the NON-Apple playing field. Microsoft only really supports visual studio. if you install Python, some open source language, etc - they will not support you and your programming issues. Heck even with visual studio they charge $35 just to pick up the phone.
Also we must remember here. We are not talking about a laptop or desktop. We are talking about a phone / appliance which is running a proprietary operating system in which has a special SDK and special hardware. in fact Apple was pretty generous with coming up with an app store and allowing developers to make money. Apple just wants to make sure nothing is introduce that will hurt the simplicity and great user experience.
Just like where I work. we have a vendor with a proprietary operating system and proprietary programming language (yes they developed it from the ground up themself). if we know he programming language, we ran read the data and script data entry through their application and screens. we are not allowed to write directly to the data structures. Anything we develop as an add-on must not hurt the underlying OS and their systems (as they own them).
Same with Apple, they feel there is a threat to their proprietary OS and language and chose the best method to protect themselves and protect their end users. that is their choice. If something breaks or stops working, the first call will be to Apple - not Adobe when it is probably an issue with Adobe. I seen it before, the call comes into who owns the hardware and OS first; then it has to be diseminated to the true culprit.
And if Adobe is so great, why are their free PDF readers, and free PDF generators (even MS has an export to PDF built into Office2007; in which you do not need adobe installed). I think Adobe is just ticked because they are losing acrobat users because PDF is a standard and there are alternatives to Adobe (instead of paying $400+ just to create a PDF). Now they are losing Apple users due to the resource hog and problems with Flash, and Apple is chosing to protect themselves from problems that come with Adobe.
Just like MS was a monopoly and companies had to play the MS rules of engagement to protect themselves (until MS stopped caring and you see the result today in their products), Apple is doing the same protecting themselves.
The day Apple turns into MS and does not care and let people do what they want, will be the day Apple products are horrible to work with - just like the Windows OS has become.
That article was arrogant. If I put out a blurb like that, my company would have fired me in a heart beat.
I do have to agree adobe products are getting outragious in price for what they offer. Plus they are tending to get more buggy.
Also for programming issues, lets look at the NON-Apple playing field. Microsoft only really supports visual studio. if you install Python, some open source language, etc - they will not support you and your programming issues. Heck even with visual studio they charge $35 just to pick up the phone.
Also we must remember here. We are not talking about a laptop or desktop. We are talking about a phone / appliance which is running a proprietary operating system in which has a special SDK and special hardware. in fact Apple was pretty generous with coming up with an app store and allowing developers to make money. Apple just wants to make sure nothing is introduce that will hurt the simplicity and great user experience.
Just like where I work. we have a vendor with a proprietary operating system and proprietary programming language (yes they developed it from the ground up themself). if we know he programming language, we ran read the data and script data entry through their application and screens. we are not allowed to write directly to the data structures. Anything we develop as an add-on must not hurt the underlying OS and their systems (as they own them).
Same with Apple, they feel there is a threat to their proprietary OS and language and chose the best method to protect themselves and protect their end users. that is their choice. If something breaks or stops working, the first call will be to Apple - not Adobe when it is probably an issue with Adobe. I seen it before, the call comes into who owns the hardware and OS first; then it has to be diseminated to the true culprit.
And if Adobe is so great, why are their free PDF readers, and free PDF generators (even MS has an export to PDF built into Office2007; in which you do not need adobe installed). I think Adobe is just ticked because they are losing acrobat users because PDF is a standard and there are alternatives to Adobe (instead of paying $400+ just to create a PDF). Now they are losing Apple users due to the resource hog and problems with Flash, and Apple is chosing to protect themselves from problems that come with Adobe.
Just like MS was a monopoly and companies had to play the MS rules of engagement to protect themselves (until MS stopped caring and you see the result today in their products), Apple is doing the same protecting themselves.
The day Apple turns into MS and does not care and let people do what they want, will be the day Apple products are horrible to work with - just like the Windows OS has become.
You forgot all the DJ's that use their Macs to run Serato, all the musicians that use Macs for Ableton and Logic, All the filmmakers who use Finalcut Pro...
You must be living in a bubble
So, you're saying that Apple doesn't support the ABSOLUTELY NO DRM H.264 that YouTube uses? H.264 is *not* Apple's codec and does NOT mandate DRM. Stop claiming it does.
OGG is terrible, has basically no support for hardware decoding, especially on mobile platforms. Not to mention the likelihood that someone, somewhere has a nasty little submarine patent that OGG violates (discussion of the inherent evils of software patents can happen in another thread), meaning that implementing it is likely to result in lawsuits anyway. The MPEG LA has already said it will not charge royalties until at least 2016. You could argue that this is so they can get a foothold and then charge everyone, or you could argue that it will be kept free.
I note Mozilla has no problem supporting GIF and JPEG, but have decided to take a stand in a holy war over video formats because they believe their ideology is more important than the end user experience.
Apple is a member of the MPEG LA, so it is also their proprietary codec. And when everyone uses it they will get $$$ from all those stuipid web developers that have created a defacto standard.
Since when said it is about Flash?
It is about protecting its Biz.
Is that bad?
Bad is Adobe making a tantrum about it.
It is not the end of the world.
So, let's see. Adobe try to do an end-run around Apple by doing a dodgy. Then when it doesn't work, they get mad at Apple, instead of themselves. Who could have seen that coming? And why is it Apple's fault that their dodgy was so short-sighted? Or that Apple is refusing to let Adobe's dodginess hold back the advancement of the next iPhone OS?
All of these porting things will break, sooner or later. Not just Flash, but the .NET one as well. And all the apps that were compiled with it will all break together. Because they're trying to insert themselves between the developer and Apple. Adobe does not develop the iPhone OS or the technology that underpins it - what the hell do they know of it? You really want to take iPhone app development advice from Adobe? They come up with some weird, unauthorized, unsupported way to make apps, eventually you're going to get burned. Frankly, I think it's better sooner rather than later, before people get too stuck in it.
It's like being astounded, shocked and horrified when iPhone OS 3.something update undoes the jailbreaking on your phone. Well, duuuuuhhhhh.
EDIT: Sorry, I'm still on a roll here.... So, do you think Adobe ever approached Apple over this Flash-to-iPhone porting thing? You think if they had Apple might have either said "that's actually a bad idea cos we're going to be doing some stuff in 4.0..." or "hey, that's pretty neat, what a good idea.."? Of course they would have said one thing or the other. But it seems pretty clear Adobe didn't even ask, or if they did, they decided to ignore advice because now they're wailing and pointing fingers over something that no longer works, that was never sanctioned or authorized to begin with.
All of these porting things will break, sooner or later. Not just Flash, but the .NET one as well. And all the apps that were compiled with it will all break together. Because they're trying to insert themselves between the developer and Apple. Adobe does not develop the iPhone OS or the technology that underpins it - what the hell do they know of it? You really want to take iPhone app development advice from Adobe? They come up with some weird, unauthorized, unsupported way to make apps, eventually you're going to get burned. Frankly, I think it's better sooner rather than later, before people get too stuck in it.
It's like being astounded, shocked and horrified when iPhone OS 3.something update undoes the jailbreaking on your phone. Well, duuuuuhhhhh.
EDIT: Sorry, I'm still on a roll here.... So, do you think Adobe ever approached Apple over this Flash-to-iPhone porting thing? You think if they had Apple might have either said "that's actually a bad idea cos we're going to be doing some stuff in 4.0..." or "hey, that's pretty neat, what a good idea.."? Of course they would have said one thing or the other. But it seems pretty clear Adobe didn't even ask, or if they did, they decided to ignore advice because now they're wailing and pointing fingers over something that no longer works, that was never sanctioned or authorized to begin with.
Well, not everybody works at a company with an open culture. I wouldn't want to work at a company that'd fire me from voicing my opinions on a blog, that's for sure.
I read Apple employees aren't even allowed to post on blogs, regardless of what they're writing. They must be paid a top salary, because I can't imagine you'd want to work there for anything else.
But if you are smart student, do not listen to him. Use cross-platform development tools (where appropriate) and develop applications for all (or most) phones instead of just one.
There are something like 25 members of the patent pool. Apple may get a tiny royalty, but they likely still have to pay more to use than they get back in royalties. It is more properly Fraunhofer codec. They likely have the biggest patents and actually make the money off it.
Couldn't resist... I love apple, but hate companies that limit what you're able to do.
Lame.
If that is the case who would be losing?
They want to make money.
Jumping the Shark
Oops. Looks like Lee jumped the shark thinking Apple's move is a direct attack against Adobe. They have a way to make multi-tasking work, and it means no iPhone compilers using Adobe software. "Go screw yourself Apple" will come back to haunt him later. It's this type of shortsightedness Jobs was probably referring to when talking about Flash...
Oops. Looks like Lee jumped the shark thinking Apple's move is a direct attack against Adobe. They have a way to make multi-tasking work, and it means no iPhone compilers using Adobe software. "Go screw yourself Apple" will come back to haunt him later. It's this type of shortsightedness Jobs was probably referring to when talking about Flash...
Whuah??
Java:
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object.doSomething(argument);
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[object doSomething:argument]There, yoo now knowz objective-c...
I'd love to see Adobe's response to Lee, followed by a possible "career-change" for him. Should be interesting.
Posting what he did is a big no-no, regardless of who is in the right.
So . . . you're not interested in employment?
Good summary. I would add one more pro for HTML 5 / con for Flash. Apple users have money and like to spend it on luxuries (that is why they have Macs/iPhones/iPads in the first place). If I were a developer, I'd FOLLOW THE MONEY!
I feel Adobe should strike back, and not release their products for the Mac. I'm more than sure apple has their reasons, but from what i've read Adobe has tried to reach out to Apple for some form of support on making this work. The least Apple could have done was let them know they were planning on making this change at some point in the future.
Adobe by now has spent countless dollars and resources trying to get this working, and apple just took a gigantic crap on them.
Adobe by now has spent countless dollars and resources trying to get this working, and apple just took a gigantic crap on them.
And I'm supposed to feel BAD for Adobe?
As if Adobe is some poor little company being stamped on? They are big boys. They have dumped on plenty of companies and I'm not even getting into their recent poor quality software and expensive upgrades. Do you feel bad for Silverlight and Microsoft because Adobe hasn't helped grow their script environment? What exactly has Adobe done in the past 10 years that's worthy of appreciation?
As if Adobe is some poor little company being stamped on? They are big boys. They have dumped on plenty of companies and I'm not even getting into their recent poor quality software and expensive upgrades. Do you feel bad for Silverlight and Microsoft because Adobe hasn't helped grow their script environment? What exactly has Adobe done in the past 10 years that's worthy of appreciation?