What is your favorite car company of all time. What brand are you obsessed with?
Mine is probably BMW and Jaguar.
Mine is probably BMW and Jaguar.
Those niche markets arent going anywhere.Xtremehkr said:I did leave out brands like Porsche, Maybach, RR, Bently, and Lambourghini, and Ferrari, among others, because they really do not serve anything other than a niche market. They are also vulnerable to eventual competition from larger companies who have the resources to develop better vehicles, should they choose to do so. Larger companies can borrow from their only lines, niche specific companies cannot do the same and may eventually be outstripped. Another reason why I think BMW, MB, and Porsche are expanding their range of products.
Well, considering that half of them have been bought out, and exist only as subsidiaries. They aren't really companies anymore as much as brands that exist to exploit the prestige they once held. Consider who owns Jaguar, SAAB, and Volvo, not the most respected of manufacturers are they.bursty said:Those niche markets aren't going anywhere.
You do realize that none of the little car makers is independent anymore? A few examples...Xtremehkr said:They are also vulnerable to eventual competition from larger companies who have the resources to develop better vehicles, should they choose to do so.
So using your logic, theres only a handful of companies including GM, Ford, Daimler-Chrysler, Audi, and Fiat? These parent companies just own the smaller brands, not control them.Xtremehkr said:Well, considering that half of them have been bought out, and exist only as subsidiaries. They aren't really companies anymore as much as brands that exist to exploit the prestige they once held. Consider who owns Jaguar, SAAB, and Volvo, not the most respected of manufacturers are they.
Even the Porsche Cayenne is just a dressed up Toureg. The existence of niche market car manufacturers is about to become a thing of that past. For good or for bad, larger companies have the resources to outstrip what were once considered the untouchables. That is why I don't consider them in this instance, I am dubious of their ability to survive in the face of much more powerful companies, who have just as much drive when it comes to proving why they are the best.
You are extremely wrong my young padawan...Xtremehkr said:The existence of niche market car manufacturers is about to become a thing of that past.
When you are owning a company, you are actually controlling it. If that is good or bad depends on each case individually...bursty said:These parent companies just own the smaller brands, not control them.
Actually he's right about it, but who cares? The engine and the floor pan components are coming from Volkswagen. A Touareg driver still doesn't own a Porsche. A car is so much more than just the engine and the floor pan components...bursty said:Oh, and I'd say the Cayenne Turbo is a little more then a "dressed up" Toureg.
Well, yes, I think I do. I think I may have also made that point, in one way or another.groovebuster said:You do realize that none of the little car makers is independent anymore? A few examples...
Ferrari is owned by FIAT
Lamborghini is owned by Audi
Jaguar is owned by Ford
Maybach is a brand of Mercedes
Bentley is owned by Volkswagen
Rolls-Royce is owned by BMW
Their models are already developed mainly by the engineers of the parent company. Otherwise these brands wouldn't exist anymore already.
One of the rare exceptions from the rule is Porsche... Pretty small but still independent! They even bought themselves into Volkswagen recently.
Unfortunately, Ferrari does not have the resources to compete with a much larger company who could devote considerably more towards developing a Supercar, if they chose to.groovebuster said:You are extremely wrong my young padawan...
These niche markets will always exist. As long as a car is a status symbol in our culture there will these niche markets.
When you are buying e.g. a Ferrari, it is for two reasons:
1) Not everybody can afford one
2) and therefore it makes you feel special
How much of a Jaguar do you really suppose is built upon a Ford? I'm talking real Jag, to wit: the XJ and XK. There is almost no semblance of Ford influence. Or a Ferrari built upon a Fiat? Almost none. Don't confuse management too much with final product. If you blindly drive a car from the higher echelon manufacturer built upon a "platform" from the mainstream manufacturer but are unable to discern the kinship, then the similarity and cross-platform is completely academic. It's a car, not a business school case study in shared management.Xtremehkr said:If these name brands exist within the bounds of another company who has chosen keep the brand alive after having bought them, they are not really the best companies anymore are they? Just subsidiaries that rely on the prestige they built when they were able to operate as a niche company.
You still don't seem to get that cars are not only about how effective they can be built. There are competitors to Ferrari with maybe even better cars. But besides the pure numbers it is a question of taste and personal preference which car you are driving. On what kind of measuring method you would base a statement like that a Ferrari is a better car than a Lamborghini? It is the whole driving experience and ownership thing that is part of it!Xtremehkr said:Unfortunately, Ferrari does not have the resources to compete with a much larger company who could devote considerably more towards developing a Supercar, if they chose to.
Overtime, if Ferrari consistently fell second to a company that invested more than Ferrari could, they would lose the position they have now. That is the power a larger company has, compared to a niche market company.
Toyota can take a loss for a lot longer than Ferrari can. While at the same time, devoting more R&D capital.
Abstract said:Should we be including the very very special brands, like Maybach, Bentley and such?
If we're talking about expensive, mass produced, easy to find road cars, my favourite is Honda. I love that company, and I don't know why. They're like the Apple of car companies for me. I know that for many of you, it's Toyota, but Honda does have some quirky ideas, make good engines, and does make the best car in certain categories, like Minivans (not exciting, I know). They're also a bit more exciting than Toyota, and I like Acura a lot more than Lexus. I'd love an Acura TL or TSX.