I’m gonna agree with everything you wrote even though I stopped watching movies and tv regularly in 2005 for the most part in favor of the internet. I saw ANH or TESB SE first while they were in theaters. I was just old enough to see them on my own. I got the VHS remastered set and waited for a I-VI set on DVD till 2006/2007 that never came. I never got the pogs. I hope to watch the new movies someday.
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Favourite Star Wars film - and why?
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Brought over from the Game of a thrones thread:
And the problem faced by The HBO GoT writers was much different of a controversy, how to turn a rich narrative, into Cliff Notes, (a popular literature study guide in the States, don’t know if these were as popular in the U.K.) but then include only a third of the pertinent notes.
This is a good article about Just who Luke’s father was:
https://www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-was-vader-originally-not-lukes-father-in-empire/
Ref: Star Wars, Episode 4, the dialog referencing Luke’s father was somewhat misleading, but later appeared brilliantly devious enough so that later it could be sold easily as information being withheld from Luke.
And the problem faced by The HBO GoT writers was much different of a controversy, how to turn a rich narrative, into Cliff Notes, (a popular literature study guide in the States, don’t know if these were as popular in the U.K.) but then include only a third of the pertinent notes.
This is a good article about Just who Luke’s father was:
https://www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-was-vader-originally-not-lukes-father-in-empire/
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Ref: Star Wars, Episode 4, the dialog referencing Luke’s father was somewhat misleading, but later appeared brilliantly devious enough so that it could be sold easily later that this was information being withheld from Luke.
This is a good article about Just who Luke’s father was:
https://www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-was-vader-originally-not-lukes-father-in-empire/
Thanks for the link. I hadn't read the draft dialogue for Luke and his father before.
There's a lot more on this in The Secret History of Star Wars by Michael Kaminski, which I can't recommend too highly.
To add to the information in the article, it's common practice for executive producers / directors to hire a screen writer to write a script for a movie outline they already have. This is particularly so with sequels.
IIRC, Kaminski says Lucas had intended to write the first draft of TESB himself, but struggled with procrastination when it came to writing. This was how Bracket got hired. She prepared the script in accordance with Lucas's outline, and Vader was not intended to be Luke's father at that stage. There were then other matters going on in Lucas's life, and he had less time for the project.
When Lucas received the script, it wasn't quite what he wanted. I don't remember whether at this stage he wanted to make Vader Luke's father or not, I think that came in the third draft. He was aware of Brackett's ill-health by this stage, and so wrote another draft himself.
Making Vader Luke's father was a late change to the script to try and make the story / confrontation work better. He knew there were inconsistencies with ANH, but didn't expect movie goers to care that much.
Kaminski's source material are the early drafts of the scripts, interviews with those involved, and I think he obtained some of the contemporaneous correspondence too.
Other glaring incongruities - Obi-Wan's clothes are appropriate for the desert planet of Tatooine in ANH, but make no sense as a uniform for jedi in the prequels. Obi-Wan is in hiding by the time of ANH. All of the jedi are to be killed by the Empire and have been since Order 66 was given. Having survived Order 66, why would he be wearing his jedi uniform while in hiding?
I suspect Lucas was lazy and out of ideas by the time the prequels were made. What should the jedi wear? Whatever Obi-Wan wore in the original movie - that'll do.
[doublepost=1559583027][/doublepost]Having just caught up on the thread, I voted for Episode IV - the original version.
It's my favourite, and the most complete movie. As others have noted, I'll also agree that ESP is the better movie.
I'd also like to recommend the Clone Wars TV shows. I discovered them through watching them with my kids. The portrayal of the characters of Anakin and Obi-Wan is far better in those shows than in the movies.
As I've said elsewhere, I don't criticise Hayden Christiansen for his portrayal of Anakin. The writing of his character was particularly bad. Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, Ian McDiarmid and others made bad dialogue seem better than it was due to their excellent acting abilities.
I always blamed the writing on the Anakin Skywalker Episode 3 fiasco! Episode 1 was not much better.
I did not want to start another Star Wars thread so I’ll dump this here, Star Wars Reimagined.
Episode 4 Remember the fateful fight between Obiwan Kenobe and Darth Vader? I don’t know how many of you have seen the following video, but this clip is pretty incredible just how much more dramatic and dynamic it is compared to the original footage. I found it to be highly impressive, giving me shivers! 🥰
Episode 4 Remember the fateful fight between Obiwan Kenobe and Darth Vader? I don’t know how many of you have seen the following video, but this clip is pretty incredible just how much more dramatic and dynamic it is compared to the original footage. I found it to be highly impressive, giving me shivers! 🥰
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oh man.. multiple choice
I guess it would have be Star Wars: Episode 3 - Revenge of the Sith.
I like action. and that's got allot of it. There are so many good ones. It's almost like deciding weather you want that one favorite to you want as a kid, or settle for second best, even though all are equal "just as good."
I guess it would have be Star Wars: Episode 3 - Revenge of the Sith.
I like action. and that's got allot of it. There are so many good ones. It's almost like deciding weather you want that one favorite to you want as a kid, or settle for second best, even though all are equal "just as good."
I never questioned the original fight, but the difference between that and the video I posted is footwork. The original fight it’s like they barely moved, just swung their lightsabers at each other, and nothing fancy either.
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In the realm of epic light saber fights, the original Obiwan-Vader fight does not really qualify, when you consider how much more it could have been. Not said to put down the movie, just an observation as it is still my favorite Star Wars episode (4).oh man.. multiple choice
I guess it would have be Star Wars: Episode 3 - Revenge of the Sith.
I like action. and that's got allot of it. There are so many good ones. It's almost like deciding weather you want that one favorite to you want as a kid, or settle for second best, even though all are equal "just as good."
Since this thread was revived from necrosis, I'm going to state my favorites. SW 2, 3 & 6 (not necessarily in that order -- 6 is in the lead, followed by 3) ... why? I LOVE the Darth Sidious ... and almost any Darth: Darth Nihilus, Darth Traya, etc. Some, however, I have no use for, such as Darth Vader, Darth Bane (though he does have some qualities I like).
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Not a necessary critique if the topic is still of interest.
You don’t like Darth Vader?? My gawd.😉
I did too; however, I LOATHE "Disney Wars".
I enjoy all the Lucas cuts, doesn't matter which version. And while I absolutely cannot stand the Disney films for the main arch, Rouge One has got to be my favorite. For a long time, Empire was my front runner but Rouge One was just so well done in my opinion that I'd put that first followed by Empire.
Disney has become too powerful, with too many fingers in too many pie, easy examples Star Wars and Marvel, and they have displayed their ability to grab profits, while destroying franchises (SWs, Netflix Marvel vehicles). I can’t say it is impossible for them to turn out good products because although Pixar was assimilated, they still managed to put out good titles, but I did not find Toy Story 4 to be worthy enough to own, yet we own it because I don’t have total say at home.
Just caught a couple of Mandalorian episodes on D+ and it did not grab me. Granted part of my feelings towards The Mandalorian, might be because of Star WRs fatigue in general and dealing with 5 years of JJAbrams SWs malaise as he, (I don’t know if I can accurately say singled handedly, or if he is just willing Disney pawn) has gutted the franchise while making a tidy profit. Oh hail the money changers!
Solo (2018) did not help. There seems to be very specific requirements along with an intangible SW qualities to make a desirable SWs film that previous generation SW fans will embrace, not cover an empty shell with SW props and think this will wow them.
And as much as I love, Rogue One (2016), this is still an old school Star Wars story tied in directly to the original trilogy. What Star Wars really needs is a new story, related to 4-6, but moving into new territory, not just recycling old material. With 7-9, unless something impossible happens with 9, they have walled off the original trilogy with garbage, and the only place left to go, is start over from scratch and see if the old magic can be reconjured but with something original.
The saddest thing about Rogue One is that although it is episode 3.5, I liked all of those actors and it seemed like a creative crime to kill them off. That easily could have been used as a SW vehicle to branch out in a new direction.
They could reboot the entire series with this (which I already posted in the Rogue One thread)
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I voted for Phantom Menace because you all know it's the greatest movie of all time.. Not just star wars movies, but all movies that have ever existed.
But no seriously. From a movie perspective, Empire Strikes back is the best movie.
However, I Really loved Rogue One. However, I find that some of the best Star Wars stories aren't even in the movies.
Clone Wars and Rebels were fantastic pieces of Story telling. And So Far I am loving what I have watched of Mandalorian.
Honestly, whatever Marvel does next with Star wars, They should honestly be promoting and tapping Dave Feloni as the person who overseas the direction. This guy knows Star Wars.
I haven't read everything in this thread. But when I watch Star Wars movie's, I watch in the Machete order, which seriously does an amazing job of keeping the story, surprises, and narrative arc intack.
Machete Order: Episode IV -> Episode V -> Episode II -> Episode III -> Episode VI
But no seriously. From a movie perspective, Empire Strikes back is the best movie.
However, I Really loved Rogue One. However, I find that some of the best Star Wars stories aren't even in the movies.
Clone Wars and Rebels were fantastic pieces of Story telling. And So Far I am loving what I have watched of Mandalorian.
Honestly, whatever Marvel does next with Star wars, They should honestly be promoting and tapping Dave Feloni as the person who overseas the direction. This guy knows Star Wars.
I haven't read everything in this thread. But when I watch Star Wars movie's, I watch in the Machete order, which seriously does an amazing job of keeping the story, surprises, and narrative arc intack.
Machete Order: Episode IV -> Episode V -> Episode II -> Episode III -> Episode VI