FBI Looking Into 'Legal and Technical Options' for Entering Another Terrorist's iPhone

[deany]

I'm confused-

"A long battle between the two organizations eventually led to the Justice Department dropping the case against Apple, reportedly due to an anonymous source providing the iPhone's password to authorities."

Implies it was a friend of the couple that provided the 4 digit code.

I thought it was an Israeli company that unlocked the San Bernardino's iPhone:
http://m.pe.com/articles/company-797859-fbi-israeli.html

if so a tad worrying that an iPhone can be unlocked, but why cant Cellebrite unlock this iPhone.

 

[ptb42]

Both of you realize that it is possible to shoot someone without it being fatal, right? A shot to the kneecap will definitely immobilize the guy and stop him from stabbing people, while keeping him alive to question.

You watch too many movies.

An extremity (arm or leg) is a small, moving target. It is difficult to hit, and a likely miss is dangerous to anyone behind it. And a person will bleed out from a ruptured artery in their leg as fast as just about any other place in the body.

If you find yourself having to shoot someone in self-defense, you aim for center of mass. It's most likely to stop someone -- which is the goal. The likelihood that someone will die is why it's considered deadly force.

 

[NT1440]

I'm confused-

"A long battle between the two organizations eventually led to the Justice Department dropping the case against Apple, reportedly due to an anonymous source providing the iPhone's password to authorities."

Implies it was a friend of the couple that provides the 4 digit code.

I thought it was an Israeli company that unlocked the San Bernardino's iPhone:
http://m.pe.com/articles/company-797859-fbi-israeli.html

if so a tad worrying that an iPhone can be unlocked, but why cant Cellebrite unlock this iPhone.

That iPhone was a 5C, with no secure enclave so the old methods still worked. Since the Secure Enclave none of those methods will work at all.

 

[ptb42]

Yes, while he was running around the Mall of America stabbing people, the police should've been trying to nicely ask him for his phone.

A small correction: The Mall of America is in Bloomington, MN. The referenced incident occurred at the Crossroads Center in St. Cloud, MN -- about 80 miles and 90 minutes from the Mall of America.

 

[macs4nw]

America, is destroying it's democracy.

Your comment is a bit rich coming from someone from India, a country that, while technically the largest democracy on earth, is plagued by rampant corruption.

On topic, I wouldn't say we're destroying our democracy, but it is admittedly under attack, as it has been constantly. Which is why it is so crucial for us to stand strong together to preserve the hard-fought rights and freedoms enshrined in our Constitution.

And as a universal beacon of hope, opportunity, and freedom, we take that responsibility very seriously.

 

[deany]

That iPhone was a 5C, with no secure enclave so the old methods still worked. Since the Secure Enclave none of those methods will work at all.

Thanks never heard of "Secure Enclave" before today.

Strange though that macrumors quote that it was an 'anonomous source' that unlocked the iPhone when it was Cellebrite an Israeli company.

 

[agsystems]

Did they plug it in to let it backup to iCloud? That's what Apple suggested last time.

Unless they're just being ignorant...

I think this is the bone Apple is giving them - that way they look like they are cooperating - most people understand that data in the cloud is fair game to get under court order - what people don't want is the phone itself to become open season

 

[clunkmess]

"ISIS" - The gov's excuse to do what ever they want.

 

[NT1440]

Thanks never heard of "Secure Enclave" before today.

Strange though that macrumors quote that it was an 'anonomous source' that unlocked the iPhone when it was Cellebrite an Israeli company.

It definitely was Cellebrite, a company that benefits from the NSA "technology transfer" program (they put out a shopping catalog of NSA technologies every year) that is legally mandated. If you watch some of cellebrite's youtube videos they've always been quite open about how to use their tools, it's getting them that will get you placed under scrutiny.

 

[agsystems]

what if they had a samsung phone

or any Android phone - while choice in your selection of smartphones is nice- I will stay the hell away from these guys.

 

[chrono1081]

This will never, ever end. They'll keep pushing fear and using 'terrorist' buzzwords until they can get a backdoor into every phone and computer.

What's sad is cowardly idiots buy into it too. I can't tell you how many people I saw on Facebook accusing Apple of "helping terrorists win" when they refused to create a tool that could potentially crack its own security.

Those people have no clue how computer security works and buy into the manufactured fear.

 

[You are the One]

ISIS is run by the criminal racket in Washington. The FBI is just trolling the american public. They do the same in the US as they do everywhere, bombs and kill innocent people and then blame some "terrorists" for it. Or Russia as in Syria.

They are criminals, and should be taken to justice.

 

[NY Guitarist]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

[teknikal90]

Of course they are.

Because finding or investigating a few terrorists is more important than the security of hundreds of millions of iOS users.

Priorities.

But what if the phone has data that leads to plans of a terror event?
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Do you wear a seatbelt?

 

[ProjectManager101]

The government is full of lies about the islam and all that crap.
There are at least 17 thousand murders by guns in the U.S. each year.
You will be shot first by a:
Catholic
Gay
Drug dealer
Cristian
Jewish
German
Latino
Asian
Prostitute
Policeman
A doctor!
Your wife
Your husband
Your kid
Than by a muslim.

Besides.... the U.S. has like how many troops killing people in the middle east? And then, one muslim comes here, kill 4 people and is "a terrorist".

All this is just propaganda to get their oil, to justify expending building weapons, just to kill a bunch of dudes in sandals.

 

[deany]

Its odd that all these criminals have iPhones I thought iPhone were for the select few with $200,000 plus annual income and college graduate degrees!

 

[NY Guitarist]

Do you wear a seatbelt?

Is not wearing a seatbelt an essential liberty? Is wearing one temporary safety or enduring?

 

[Mac 128]

Possibly the best burn I've heard this month.

That said, I agree with you in a figurative sense. One of the things that Apple should employ to counter FBI's inevitable jackassery regarding digital privacy and security is to include a burn PIN and external dump prevention whilst locke. If you enter it instead of your unlock pin, or someone attempts to forcibly dump the data partition whilst it's locked, it immediately bleachbits the volume.

It's like that question: can God create a stone so heavy even he couldn't lift it?

 

[webbuzz]

The government is full of lies about the islam and all that crap.
There are at least 17 thousand murders by guns in the U.S. each year.
You will be shot first by a:
Catholic
Gay
Drug dealer
Cristian
Jewish
German
Latino
Asian
Prostitute
Policeman
A doctor!
Your wife
Your husband
Your kid
Than by a muslim.

Besides.... the U.S. has like how many troops killing people in the middle east? And then, one muslim comes here, kill 4 people and is "a terrorist".

All this is just propaganda to get their oil, to justify expending building weapons, just to kill a bunch of dudes in sandals.

17K murders?

 

[keysofanxiety]

What's sad is cowardly idiots buy into it too. I can't tell you how many people I saw on Facebook accusing Apple of "helping terrorists win" when they refused to create a tool that could potentially crack its own security.

Those people have no clue how computer security works and buy into the manufactured fear.

That's exactly it.

They are people who are manipulated by emotional arguments. People who don't possess the objectivity or backbone to stand up for what is right. People who don't have the foresight to even conceive of the larger, long term implications.

This isn't about terrorism. It never was. Yet the people jeer, and boo, and beg for their freedom to be trampled. It utterly sickens me.

 

[JamesPDX]

But what if the phone has data that leads to plans of a terror event?
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Do you wear a seatbelt?

First of all, it's not a seatbelt, it's a seatband (they come in different colors, too.) -and it's not Purchase anymore; it's Get.

 

[lordofthereef]

This has become discussed here as nauseum, but I can totally see the dilemma here.

There are legal pathways to obtaining search warrants for property. Digital property is a unique and relatively recent problem. I'm not picking sides here but I see it as something worth discussing. There had to be a middle ground that we haven't come to yet.

 

[JamesPDX]

That's exactly it.

They are people who are manipulated by emotional arguments. People who don't possess the objectivity or backbone to stand up for what is right. People who don't have the foresight to even conceive of the larger, long term implications.

This isn't about terrorism. It never was. Yet the people jeer, and boo, and beg for their freedom to be trampled. It utterly sickens me.

This never would have happened if they kept up their non-hipster products line: "So this is how the Apple dies... with thinner, mobile processor design..."

 

[dan110]

Same song; different verse. They can enter/hack it. They just want the public's blessing to enter everyone's phones without due process.

 

[JamesPDX]

So again, why not use the FISA court? That's why it's there, and nobody even know about it until much further down the line.