That's what I mean. Hey FBI, go after the easier targets for the info you want.
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FBI Successfully Unlocks iPhone 11 Pro in Ohio, Casting Doubt on Claims it Needs Apple's Help in Florida Mass Shooter Case
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That's what I mean. Hey FBI, go after the easier targets for the info you want.
You know it won't stop there, don't you? First it will be so we can catch the bad guys, then there will be another 'legitimate' use for it after a bit of scare-mongering in the media and before you know it there won't be any privacy. Everything about you will be available to anyone who is willing to pay, or not pay in some cases and these people will decide how your life goes. And you have to also remember this is a global issue.
I agree we need a way to find the bad guys and uphold the law, but at what cost? Remember governments are the just crooks that got there first, they aren't there to protect you from the bad guys, they are there to protect their masters from you.
This is a bigger issue than what is on YOUR phone and it effects the entire planet.
Yep.
You can't use peripherals connected to my iPad unless it's unlocked.
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I forgot my password.
You don't want me to enter it.
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Similar to what I posted on reddit the other day about this same topic.
The government would like to have the data off the POS's phone who shot up the naval base in Pensacola.
And now we have people whining about privacy. Well, I'm all for privacy. But I ask this: suppose the POS in Pensacola had on his phone, communications with a sleeper cell here in the U.S. which showed the next attack and when and where it would happen. Said attack would be similar in scope to 9/11. Would YOU want the "authorities" to know what is on that phone to prevent the attack from occurring?
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Well DUH everyone would WANT the "authorities" to know what is on a bad guy's phone, his day planner, his bank statements, etc. Thats not addressing the concern though. The backdoor does not know who is an authority. If there was a good guy wand we could wave then by all means.
So there’s no other way to stop this massive terrorist attack besides unlocking this guy’s iPhone? Law enforcement is powerless to discover and prevent it without unlocking this iPhone? Don’t you have work to be doing, Mr. Barr?
Is it asking too much for a MacRumors journalist to differentiate between a brute-force attack of a 4-digit numeric passcode (easily cracked by Greybox) and a much longer alphanumeric passphrase (not currently possible to brute-force attack)? Apparently not. All this thing does is simulate the typing of numeric digits as passcode tries without triggering countermeasures. By no means does it suddenly mean “all iPhones are now unlocked.”
What? All Politicians from all parties lying as if the truth has no meaning? There, I fixed it for you. 😉
It sounds more like a cheap shot, again, at Apple, in an attempt to slam their 'enemies'. I have wondered if the Android OS has a backdoor in it. Backdoors are really horrible ideas because eventually they are discovered, and exploited.
And the iPhone in question had a hole blown through it. How could it have been 'fixed', and 'slurped'? Magic?
And the iPhone in question had a hole blown through it. How could it have been 'fixed', and 'slurped'? Magic?
Darth Tulhu
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What a slippery slope this is. That said, no one, not even the... ahem... President, is above the law*.
Once a warrant is issued, the individual should be compelled to open up their device.
If a device had only biometrics as an unlocking feature, this would be easy...
* Your mileage may vary when it comes to Presidents/Politicians/#the rich.
Once a warrant is issued, the individual should be compelled to open up their device.
If a device had only biometrics as an unlocking feature, this would be easy...
* Your mileage may vary when it comes to Presidents/Politicians/#the rich.
So now we’re using iPhones to predict the future? By your rationale, every single citizen in the developed world must be investigated.
You say you’re all for privacy, yet the entirety of your other comments suggest you don’t even know what it is.
Here's a bit more information about the USB accessory restrictions in iOS 13:
blog.elcomsoft.com
If the FBI was able to unlock an iPhone 11 with iOS 13, then either the USB accessory option was enabled, or the GrayKey device can somehow still connect to the phone (even though it should not be possible for a device that is unkown to the phone, even within the 1-hour window).
Regarding law enforcement, they already have access to more information than ever before thanks to cellular location tracking, cloud services, ubiquitous cameras, license plate readers, secret surveillance courts etc. pp. When is enough enough?
USB Restricted Mode in iOS 13: Apple vs. GrayKey, Round Two
While the dust surrounding the controversy of rushed iOS 13 release settles, we are continuing our research on what has changed in iOS forensics. In this article we’ll review the new policy on USB restrictions and lockdown record expiration in the latest iOS release. We’ll also analyze how these cha
blog.elcomsoft.com
If the FBI was able to unlock an iPhone 11 with iOS 13, then either the USB accessory option was enabled, or the GrayKey device can somehow still connect to the phone (even though it should not be possible for a device that is unkown to the phone, even within the 1-hour window).
Regarding law enforcement, they already have access to more information than ever before thanks to cellular location tracking, cloud services, ubiquitous cameras, license plate readers, secret surveillance courts etc. pp. When is enough enough?
I believe that the SCOTUS ruled that no one can be compelled to unlock their phone, and using their biometrics if they are passed out, or dead, is definitely illegal, or something to that effect. What's to stop a cop from knocking someone out (killing them?), and using their finger print to incriminate them. It's illegal search and seizure.
Darth Tulhu
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Guys, this is NOT about the morality behind wanting a known criminal brought to justice.
This is about asking your house builder, not YOU, to give the government (who have historically F-ed particular groups of people over on a CONSISTENT basis) a copy of the keys to YOUR and EVERYBODY ELSE's house, because your neighbor did something wrong and he doesn't want to let the cops in.
FOCUS on the ISSUE, folks.
SEE through the rhetoric and partisan, conservative vs. liberal bull droppings.
The answer to this is simple: HELL NO.
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Agreed. Great scenario I DIDN'T THINK OF.
This, THIS is why we need to TALK things out.
We need to lead with the thought that human beings are bad by nature, and protect ourselves against what we cannot see into: people's motivations.
I know this. I'm a Sith Lord.
This is about asking your house builder, not YOU, to give the government (who have historically F-ed particular groups of people over on a CONSISTENT basis) a copy of the keys to YOUR and EVERYBODY ELSE's house, because your neighbor did something wrong and he doesn't want to let the cops in.
FOCUS on the ISSUE, folks.
SEE through the rhetoric and partisan, conservative vs. liberal bull droppings.
The answer to this is simple: HELL NO.
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Agreed. Great scenario I DIDN'T THINK OF.
This, THIS is why we need to TALK things out.
We need to lead with the thought that human beings are bad by nature, and protect ourselves against what we cannot see into: people's motivations.
I know this. I'm a Sith Lord.
Totally.
And I’d love to be a fly on the wall when one of the pro-surveillance proponents gets THIER life hacked in the name of national security. See how they like the taste of them apples. Something tells me the flavour will suddenly become quite sour.
Equally casts doubts on claims Apple cannot do it.
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In the US every citizen breaks 7 laws a day on average. It only matters if you become famous or if someone decides they need to get you for political reasons. Then we all have something to hide. But the presumption when discussing laws is that we are all guilty of one of the millions of laws we have and act accordingly.
You don't need a back door that opens all phones up to spying and other criminal activity to catch and prosecute "some POS dirt bag". This line of reasoning by law enforcement is just an excuse to get absolute control over everyone.
Right now you think your politics line up with law enforcement, but history proves that there will be a time in the future that it will not and once you have given away the privacy protections, they can never be retrieved without bloodshed.
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Research COINTELPRO. The government could make you guilty of whatever they wanted. It was a very low point in this country, and I'm sure it will soon be repeated, unless things change.
Imagine your own government doxing you to hate groups. It really could happen...
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I worked at a 'Big Ten' school, in their registrar office. They had a room, locked at all times, with 'sensitive records' inside. What were the 'sensitive records'? Timothy Allen Dick's class records, and a whole host of other 'rich and famous' people's info. Anyone that was anything that came through that school had their records unceremoniously walked into that office, and locked away for ever. Yeah, they DO have protection, they don't have to worry about the government fingering them for random stuff. (Timothy Allen Dick is 'Tim Allen', BTW)
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Just remove all remaining ports, DONE!
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What, lol. They don't in anyway that isn't accessible through normal means provided by Apple - you're WAY off and comparing two significantly different scenarios bud. Additionally, do you really think the FBI would be b*itching and moaning for Apple to unlock the device if "repair shops" could so easily do it themselves?
Unless. OMG - These REPAIR SHOPS are ALL FBI AGENTS! RUN!
