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If they could make the phone water resistant with an open lightning port, they could do the same with the headphone jack.

And I don't know about you, but I listen to headphones more frequently than I drop phones in toilets.
Completely different style of connector means completely different levels of waterproofing-complexity.
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Why can Sony and Samsung make waterproof phones with headphone jacks?
Read some of the Samsung forums on how "waterproof" their phones ACTUALLY are.

And didn't Sony get into trouble saying their phones were water-resistant, when it turns out that "barely" needed to be put in front of the term "water resistant"?
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I'm not a technical expert
...and then we can disregard the rest of your post.
 
Completely different style of connector means completely different levels of waterproofing-complexity.
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Read some of the Samsung forums on how "waterproof" their phones ACTUALLY are.

And didn't Sony get into trouble saying their phones were water-resistant, when it turns out that "barely" needed to be put in front of the term "water resistant"?
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...and then we can disregard the rest of your post.
To be fair there are similar stories about water resistance issues that some have had with iPhone 7 phones too.
 
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I prefer the superior audio quality of my streaming services, minus the cost per kilobyte.
Not the point. You could still stream or download whatever you want, but others would be able to use already built-in radios totally independent of cell service. Since the hardware is already right there, there's no real argument against it being enabled.
 
It's already there, nothing to include as it's already included, just doesn't need to be disabled.
But it is disabled so you're asking for it to re-enabled and FCC might be demanding it. If you understand Apple, you'll understand that's not trivial for a device they've been disabling it on for ten years now.
 
But it is disabled so you're asking for it to re-enabled and FCC might be demanding it. If you understand Apple, you'll understand that's not trivial for a device they've been disabling it on for ten years now.
Hard to say anyone really knows the details to know how trivial it is or not (in addition to there being a slightly different aspect of it not being disabled in future versions perhaps).
 
<Headline> FCC tries to regulate FM into relevance after mis-management of the public air waves.

The FCC sold out FM radio decades ago to monopolies [primarily CBS]. Lack of competition means stale, boring content with excessive commercials modulated to twice the effective volume perfectly synchronized across the whole dial. Its so bad most places people don't listen even when a receiver is built into their car, home stereo system, etc.

There were contributing factors like need for capitol to replace aging transmitters. And a regulation model evolved around national advertising and the big music labels.

Very simple solution. Allow strict anti-trust measures so no entity can control more than one station on the dial in a reception area. Require modern transmitters but keep regulation light and licenses cheap. FM Will get interesting. Customers will seek devices that give them access.
 
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I have the radio feature on my BlackBerry Passport (BB10 OS). I use it often; almost every day. It's excellent to use something that's not connected to a network or using data. It feels like freedom.

If a phone has the ability to play radio stations then do it.

In BB10 the radio player is integrated in the music app. Get a BB10 Passport from www.shopblackberry.com.

Lmao, that's desperation if I have ever seen it .
 
Europe are pushing to switch off FM and go DAB only.
We are very far behind Europe in cell phone features and pricing ..of data plans ..etc Politics is involved and huge ammounts of money from all USA wireless carriers are contributed to all levels of goverment to control there votes on any implementation of that would remove there profit margin ..or decrease the charges thye are allowed monthly ..or when you upgrade your device etc ...
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FCC chairman Ajit Pai has advocated for the activation of FM radio receivers built into nearly every smartphone, as part of opening remarks he made at the Future of Radio and Audio Symposium in Washington D.C. yesterday.

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Many smartphones sold today, including iPhones, have an FM receiver built into the LTE modem that would allow people to listen to FM radio over the air; however, many carriers and phone makers have not enabled the functionality, forcing users to use an app to stream FM radio over Wi-Fi or cellular data.

Pai cited a NAB study that found only 44% of the top-selling smartphones in the United States had activated FM receivers as of last year. The vast majority--94%--of the non-activated smartphones are iPhones, according to the study.

NAB-FM-radio-chart-800x450.jpg

"We could be doing a lot better," said Pai, who was appointed as FCC chairman last month. "It seems odd that every day we hear about a new smartphone app that lets you do something innovative, yet these modern-day mobile miracles don't enable a key function offered by a 1982 Sony Walkman."

The activation of FM receivers in iPhones would have several benefits, including battery life savings, less data usage, and most importantly, the ability to receive emergency alerts over radio without service.

"You could make a case for activating chips on public safety grounds alone," added Pai. "The former head of our Federal Emergency Management Administration has spoken out in support of this proposal. The FCC has an expert advisory panel on public safety issues that has also advocated enabling FM radio chips on smartphones."

Pai said that while he will keep speaking out about the benefits of activating FM receivers in smartphones, he is a believer in free markets and the rule of law, and he thereby cannot support a government mandate requiring activation of these chips, nor does he believe the FCC has the power to issue said mandate.

In 2015, an online campaign was launched to "free radio" on smartphones. It calls for U.S. carriers to activate the FM radio receivers in smartphones. AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile now support the functionality, or will soon, on all or select Android-based smartphones. The campaign extends to Canada.

Apple's stance on the activation of FM receivers in iPhones is uncertain. An additional antenna would likely be required for proper FM signal reception. The latest iPod nano, meanwhile, requires connecting headphones to listen to FM radio, as the device uses the headphone cord as an antenna to receive a signal.

Article Link: FCC Chairman Encourages Activation of the FM Radio Receiver Built Into Your iPhone
[doublepost=1487415960][/doublepost]I think from a safety standpoint it should be mandatory that all handsets be enabled ..the emergency broadcast system ..needs to work in this country ..how many people have battery operated am / fm ..weather band radios with them at all times ..wifi and cell towers do not work during blackouts and other natural disasters RADIO STATIONS are required by the FCC to be capable of working and transmitting information to the gereral public over the airwaves ..
 
Oh, boy you mean I could get free advertisements over the air?

No, thank you. I have a radio in my car that hasn't been turned on in years.
If you live on the West Coast, there's KCSM. Jazz, no adverts. I am not affiliated with them in any way, shape or form. I just like the station. I'm sure there are others.
 
What was the chip card debacle? Chip and Pin certainly was the best system until Apple Pay.

Anyway.... FM is a mixed bag. For a start on a smartphone it usually relies on wired headphones for an aerial, something Apple is trying to get rid of. It also relies on FM surviving the digital revolution. In the UK there is a good chance DAB will take over fairly soon. In Germany it looked as if FM had its day in the late 80s, unfortunately too many different systems ruined that. The most certain outcome is that FM will die, and will be replaced by data streams over internet connections and mobile networks.


I'm referring the US being way behind again in tech adoption. Chip and Pin was in Europe in 2004, it just became the standard in the US this year.
 



FCC chairman Ajit Pai has advocated for the activation of FM radio receivers built into nearly every smartphone, as part of opening remarks he made at the Future of Radio and Audio Symposium in Washington D.C. yesterday.

fm-radio-iphone.jpg

Many smartphones sold today, including iPhones, have an FM receiver built into the LTE modem that would allow people to listen to FM radio over the air; however, many carriers and phone makers have not enabled the functionality, forcing users to use an app to stream FM radio over Wi-Fi or cellular data.

Pai cited a NAB study that found only 44% of the top-selling smartphones in the United States had activated FM receivers as of last year. The vast majority--94%--of the non-activated smartphones are iPhones, according to the study.

NAB-FM-radio-chart-800x450.jpg

"We could be doing a lot better," said Pai, who was appointed as FCC chairman last month. "It seems odd that every day we hear about a new smartphone app that lets you do something innovative, yet these modern-day mobile miracles don't enable a key function offered by a 1982 Sony Walkman."

The activation of FM receivers in iPhones would have several benefits, including battery life savings, less data usage, and most importantly, the ability to receive emergency alerts over radio without service.

"You could make a case for activating chips on public safety grounds alone," added Pai. "The former head of our Federal Emergency Management Administration has spoken out in support of this proposal. The FCC has an expert advisory panel on public safety issues that has also advocated enabling FM radio chips on smartphones."

Pai said that while he will keep speaking out about the benefits of activating FM receivers in smartphones, he is a believer in free markets and the rule of law, and he thereby cannot support a government mandate requiring activation of these chips, nor does he believe the FCC has the power to issue said mandate.

In 2015, an online campaign was launched to "free radio" on smartphones. It calls for U.S. carriers to activate the FM radio receivers in smartphones. AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile now support the functionality, or will soon, on all or select Android-based smartphones. The campaign extends to Canada.

Apple's stance on the activation of FM receivers in iPhones is uncertain. An additional antenna would likely be required for proper FM signal reception. The latest iPod nano, meanwhile, requires connecting headphones to listen to FM radio, as the device uses the headphone cord as an antenna to receive a signal.

Article Link: FCC Chairman Encourages Activation of the FM Radio Receiver Built Into Your iPhone
[doublepost=1506645494][/doublepost]There are many Government run radio stations throughout the world that are an absolute necessity during disaster situations. Anyone that would suggest that during a disaster they would rather not having commercials at the behest of getting life saving information is just not thinking.
 
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One more thing about this. While 44% of FM chips might be activated in cell phones, that # is carrier dependent. While Apple is not a carrier but a manufacturer restriction, Pai needs to also single out the carriers that REFUSE to activate FM chips on phones that are already activated on other carriers. This behavior is beyond despicable.
 
I just read that Apple's answer is that there isn't FM capability in iPhones since the 7.

http://bgr.com/2017/09/29/iphone-fm-radio-iphone-8-iphone-7/

Ajit Pai was on the FCC staff when the iPhones were approved by the FCC, so I do not think he would make this mistake unless it's part of a larger attack on Apple that goes further into why FM doesn't work.

Unless I'm mistaken, all of the functions of the headphone jack are duplicated through connections in the Lightning connector. If Apple somehow deliberately disabled those connections, then he's making an even WORSE claim against Apple.
 
I just read that Apple's answer is that there isn't FM capability in iPhones since the 7.

http://bgr.com/2017/09/29/iphone-fm-radio-iphone-8-iphone-7/


Once Apple got rid of the phono jack they got rid of the antenna. I don't know if it's still true but several years ago you could buy an iPod Nano and listen to the radio on it, but only using wired headphones because it used the cable as the antenna. So no Bluetooth connection to wireless speakers at least with that device because it wouldn't play through both the headphones and through the wireless speakers.

Plugging headphones into a Lightning adapter prevents using the headphone cable from being an antenna, since there is a an A/D chip in the adapter. The chip won't pass through any radio signals into the phone.

But as (older) Apple products like the iPod Nano prove, it was possible and my guess is that it wasn't expensive.
 
I'm referring the US being way behind again in tech adoption. Chip and Pin was in Europe in 2004, it just became the standard in the US this year.

It's not about being behind. It's about having different needs.

The US simply didn't need chip cards anywhere near as badly as Europe did, so the banks and credit card schemes (MC, Visa, Amex, Disc) didn't push or mandate its use in the US until recently.

Chip&PIN came about in Europe because of the need to do offline authorization, and to combat fraud.

Contrarily, the US has always had realtime authorization because of ubiquitous and affordable American communications. US banks also heavily invested in computerized fraud detection, unlike EU and Canadian banks.

Consumers were also protected from being liable for fraud in most cases.

Moreover, US banks make a ton of money charging for taking on the fraud risks, unlike the banks with mandated low percentages in the EU.

In short, US banks didn't have as big a need to rush to chip. It's why they don't feel the need for a PIN yet either.
 
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