FCC Has Voted to Repeal Net Neutrality Rules

[MadeTheSwitch]

I'm what you would call a very reluctant Trump voter. I don't care for him, but I despised his opponent.

Excellent. Despise someone and in return maybe get things you despise from the other. Sounds like a good plan.

Hasn't nuke North Korea. Hasn't started a war with Russia/Iran.

Yet.

Cratering unemployment in the African-American community/record high wealth creation/home ownership.

Home ownership? Are you referring to Trump's comment the other day? Yeah a lot of stuff he says thats a lie.
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/trumps-false-black-home-ownership-claim/

I mean not sure why Democrats would hate the guy. Can understand why Progressives do, they are irrational.

Let's see...is it the:

Comments on women's looks?
The P grabbing?
The walking in on women in dressing rooms?
The sexual innuendo against women in his tweets?
The mocking of a disabled guy?
The attempted ban on transgender people in military?
The lying?
The history of racial issues?
The retweeting of white nationalist?
The incompetence?
The lack of knowledge on even basic stuff?
The arrogance?
The self centered-ness?
Upsetting our allies?
Obsession with Obama?
Gutting the state department when we need people to get a handle on the world?
Anti-consumer stuff like this net neutrality vote?

Yeah, can't imagine why a Democrat wouldn't just love him.

 

[fairuz]

Funny you mention this...
I've never stopped building my Plex & iTunes libraries
For many reasons, including things like this

I don't want my entire life to be "service fees on top of more service fees"

Heh. Funny cause I'm sure people have been giving you grief over refusing to switch to streaming services. I've got a library myself, but I should probably add more to it.

 

[wackymacky]

Well, time to look for VPNs...

Can’t your ISP just block the IP address of the VPN servers?

 

[andreyush]

Ok ...so far i've only read comments from Americans : "well there goes my money" or "we are so screwed "...
I thought USA is the land of freedom and true democracy. DO SOMETHING PEOPLE...go out and give them hell... something has to be done...Or democracy in USA is DEAD.

 

[itguy06]

Congress hasn't read it, so neither they nor we don't actually know what is in it.

I'd remind you the last one was a 479 page document delivered 1 hour before the vote - it included illegible scribbling on the margins, entire pages crossed out, and drawings made by one senator's grandchild.

My favorite move was dropping the AMT to 20% - along with accidentally removing all of the loopholes that allowed companies to get below 20%. Which is why they are having to vote again - gotta keep the lobbyist happy.

So that's different than the ACA act how? Cause IIRC it was well over 1000 pages and few read it. Lots got shafted with the ACA.

From what I gathered of it, as a middle class American, I'd pay less in taxes. So that's fine with me.

IMHO we should ditch it all, do a flat 10% or so tax on EVERYONE on everything you buy and be done with it. Everyone pays something. The poor who buy cheap stuff pay a little. The middle that buys average stuff pays a middle amount. The rich with their lavish stuff pays a lavish amount. Seems fair.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Heh. Funny cause I'm sure people have been giving you grief over refusing to switch to streaming services. I've got a library myself, but I should probably add more to it.

Totally should!
It's very freeing to own your entire library and have no worries about it.

 

[belvdr]

Dial-up is garbage, but DSL is perfectly usable for web browsing and video streaming. Heck it can be faster than "broadband" in certain areas. Just wouldn't want to deal with SSH connections or gaming over it.

You think DSL is good enough for video streaming but not for SSH?

DSL is broadband, though. We get almost 1-2Mb on DSL here, on a good day with nobody else on (I mean in the area). So our choice, if you can call it that, is 100Mb+ Spectrum or 1-2Mb DSL.

 

[iapplelove]

Eveything now a days turns into a Trump debate. Horrible.

 

[827538]

Comments like this do nothing but divide the country even more.

1. You're allowed to vote for a candidate and not agree with 100% of their policies. There are hundreds of issues a president tends to over their tenure, so stop acting like all Trump voters cast their vote with a "haha the internet will die now!" mentality.

2. The reaction to the net neutrality stuff is so unbelievably overblown, it's insane. The internet will continue on, and we'll forget that this even happened 6 months from now when literally nothing changes.

3. Nothing is as black and white as you and many other people are making it out to be. For every downside that comes with repealing net neutrality, there are upsides (at least from the republicans' point of view). It's not like they're going into this whole ordeal licking their chops at the thought of the internet collapsing. They have good motives whether you like it or not.

FWIW, I am in support of net neutrality. I'm not supporting the ruling today by any means - I'm only judging the ridiculous overreaction to it all and the asinine attacks from the anti-Trumpers as though all Trump voters must agree 100% with everything Trump does. Again, nothing is that black and white.

1. I agree, I personally do not give a dam which of the two parties you vote for. You're an idiot if you vote for either of them.

2. No, it really is not going to be OK and just go back to business as usual. I don't think you understand or comprehend what is going to happen. This isn't an over reaction, I'm not even American and I'm shocked by this, the implications of this decision are huge and going to damage whole generations. I made a post earlier about the implications of all this.

3. No, there isn't. There's one single positive to come of all this, Verizon, Comcast, AT&T's share prices. That's it. You're beginning to sound like a Comcast rep. Infrastructure spending went up under Title 2, you should listen to their share holder addresses where they are bound under law to tell the truth. Repealling net neutrality has absolutely zero benefits to American's, there's nothing but negatives. You've not done any research if this is the opinion you hold. Again I'll plaster sources and evidence if you like to back up my points.

Give me a single real benefit of repealling net neutrality, just one. If you say increased infrastructure spending then it's a lie you've swallowed as the evidence says the opposite. Not too mention the rest of the developed world where we have some form of net neutrality and have highly competitive ISPs unlike America.

 

[fendersrule]

As a Brit with an American fiance we are seriously thinking long and hard about where to raise a family.
America isn't a democracy any longer, despite my many criticisms and even loathing at times of the UK our parliamentary democracy works a hell of a lot better than your democracy. Our politicians might be incompetent but they do still answer to us, I can even call and chat to my MP, he only won by something like 20 votes during the last election.

I do not want to raise my children in anything less than a fair democracy.

America has never been a democracy. America is a federal republic. The only time where there are hints of democracy is on local and state levels. And even then, the federal level can override.

 

[wackymacky]

I’m

This post is blocked by Verizon. Please pay 49.99 to read the content.

more worried about it being blocked completely.

Your ISP is owned by a news company. Well, they may not you reading news from other News companies.

Long live misinformation and fake news.

 

[fairuz]

Upsetting our allies?

Well, I hope we at least upset the allies in the Middle East a lot more because the ones we picked as allies are all garbage. He hasn't gotten around to pissing off Israel yet, but he's already pushing away from Saudi Arabia, the other Gulf states, Assad's Syria, and Turkey. All of whom either indirectly cause or directly sponsor terrorist organizations, plus other nasty things. And we even pay some of them huge amounts of money just so we can say later "we've been paying them all this time and don't want to ruin the relationship now."

And by the way, why were we fighting Russia again? It's costing us billions to defend Europe against a supposedly backwards country. Particularly Obama was focusing on Ukraine, which has historically been Russian and should probably just be part of Russia anyway.

 

[belvdr]

Where is "here"?

Regardles of where that poster lives, I've always had a choice of more than 1 ISP, although some choices are fairly obvious, like now.

 

[Altis]

Obviously the people here defending this vote have financial interests in removing these rules.

This is bad for Americans and consumers.

People here working for the ISPs good for you or maybe your stock portfolio has many of the companies that would benefit....

It's funny, it's exactly like all the people here that endlessly defend Apple's anti-consumer approaches.

Everything from making iOS updates permanent so your device is totally eff'd over to the walled garden where you have no choice but to play by their rules.

It's funny how many of them just happen to be developers or shareholders.

 

[TheColtr]

We lived for over a decade without these rules. We saw the internet grow and become what it is today without these rules. But now that a two year old law has been repealed there is going to be massive problems? I just don’t foresee it happening.

On a side note this is the problem with agencies. Congress should be the only ones to make laws because agency regulations and executive orders can be made and repealed by each administration. Congressional laws are much harder to repeal.

 

[teknikal90]

Bill Clinton style tax cuts. - sure, he's a businessman
Bill Clinton style immigration reform/rule of law. - sure, by way of fear mongering...but nevertheless...i do agree with a lot of the policies.

Reduction in regulation. - unclear?
Attempt to repeal Obamacare - why is this good??? poor people are getting poorer....rich people are getting exorbitantly richer. now, at the expense of sick poor people not being able to afford to live?

Hasn't nuke North Korea. Hasn't started a war with Russia/Iran. - why is that even on the table?? in the first place

Stock market at all time high. - means jack all. cyclical. earnings are high but theres a lot of capital out there jacking prices of everything up. We're at the top of the debt cycle...simply due to super low interest rates.
Unemployment at historic lows. - persistent since end of obama era.
Unemployment in the Hispanic community at an all time low. - read above.
Cratering unemployment in the African-American community/record high wealth creation/home ownership. - how do you attribute this to him?

Hasn't hunted down homosexuals, banned homosexual marriage, or put homosexuals in interment camps. - true. +1 for Trump for not turning into Hitler.

I mean not sure why Democrats would hate the guy. Can understand why Progressives do, they are irrational.

 

[Solomani]

Maybe next to go will be VPNs. It's not beyond Trump to copy the totalitarian playbook from China/Russia regimes.

 

[coolfactor]

What gets me is that just 5 people (“vote 3-2”) can decide such an important thing.

 

[Altis]

I’m

more worried about it being blocked completely.

Your ISP is owned by a news company. Well, they may not you reading news from other News companies.

Long live misinformation and fake news.

I wish people would be equally upset when governments try to crack down on "offensive" content, or YouTube removes videos it seems "inappropriate" for having the wrong political bias, or when Apple blocks AppStore content based on dubious conditions...

The stuff people say the loss of net neutrality will bring are already happening in tons of ways that nobody seems interested in, for some reason.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Literally every market in the (continental) United States has more than 1 ISP.

Maybe market, but there are dead zones in those markets. I tried to switch from Comcast to DirecTV and DSL and the TV worked in my area, but the DSL was in some dead zone. Strange, because I don't live in a suburb or small town, I am smack-dab in the center of the city. My T-Mobile was also totally dead in my apartment, only WiFi calling worked.

 

[tito2020]

"There will still be cops on the beat guarding a free and open Internet."

No there won't Ajit. You are the cops, and just took everyone off duty. Now all that's left is Pall Blart who can't do anything except yell "stop".

unless your guilty

 

[DanielDD]

Yes, everything Obama = bad. Everything Trump = good. Stop the political crap and think. Innovation will definitely be hindered by this rule.

Say I want to start up a new website to compete with AT&T-owned DirecTV NOW. AT&T will make my service slower, thus making DirecTV NOW seem much better. This was not allowed previously - all content had to be treated the same.

You obviously don't understand supply/demand or any idea of economics. :/

This is what happens in Portugal. Some ISPs give people free access to their own services (cloud, music, and so on), and give you an option to pay more to get extra GB to competing services (Dropbox, Spotify, etc)

 

[iLunar]

We lived for over a decade without these rules. We saw the internet grow and become what it is today without these rules. But now that a two year old law has been repealed there is going to be massive problems? I just don’t foresee it happening.

No, you're wrong. The 2015 Title II rule change PRESERVED the internet as it existed for the last 20 years. Trump and Aijit just changed it to give the Internet away to the highest bidder. ISPs are now content gatekeepers.

 

[827538]

We lived for over a decade without these rules. We saw the internet grow and become what it is today without these rules. But now that a two year old law has been repealed there is going to be massive problems? I just don’t foresee it happening.

On a side note this is the problem with agencies. Congress should be the only ones to make laws because agency regulations and executive orders can be made and repealed by each administration. Congressional laws are much harder to repeal.

There's so many misinformed posts on this thread.

ISPs were regulated for decades under Title 1. Then thanks to a f*** up by Verizon they were reclassified under Title 2. While under Title 1 there were dozens of examples of extremely bad behaviour by ISP's abusing their position. Someone posted a pretty good list in this thread. The FCC often stepped in and reprimanded the ISPs.
Infrastructure spending actually went up under Title 2, the internet was able to grow even better as it was even more free and open. You have to understand the more regulated ISPs are under Net Neutrality laws the more free and open the internet is. Please stop swallowing Comcast and Verizons propaganda.

Now they want to remove all regulations and ISPs can utterly strangle and extort the internet in anyway they see fit.
They already operate huge regional monopolies.

Enjoy watching your costs soar, service worsen and your data be harvested and sold!

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Well, I hope we at least upset the allies in the Middle East a lot more because the ones we picked as allies are all garbage. He hasn't gotten around to pissing off Israel yet, but he's already pushing away from Saudi Arabia, the other Gulf states, Assad's Syria, and Turkey. All of whom either indirectly cause or directly sponsor terrorist organizations, plus other nasty things. And we even pay some of them huge amounts of money for no reason.

And by the way, why are we fighting Russia again? It's costing us billions to defend Europe. Particularly Ukraine, which has historically been Russian and should probably just be part of Russia anyway.

I was referring mainly to the U.K. and europe when I said allies. Speaking of which: The U.S. was part of Britain. Should we still be just because we once were?