Final Boot Camp To Be Offered To Tiger Users For $30?

[jellomizer]

I see this as neither good nor bad but I don't see why owners of Intel Macs *wouldn't* want to upgrade to 10.5...

Well there are a lot of reasons. Some of them would exclude them from using boot-camp.

1. Their System is to old and Leopard will run to slow. (but will not effect boot camp because they have PPC Macs)

2. None of the features entice them to switch. Why pay Over a Hundred Bucks for an OS, the hassle of putting on a New OS. While you have a good one. $30 for boot camp is less then $130 for Leopard.

3. People who use their Macs Primarily in Windows, yes there are people who are out there who prefer Windows over OS X. In that case what point is it for them to upgrade an OS they don't use much.

4. Macs that are used for appliance jobs. (Still they would not normally need boot camp)

5. 3rd Party software that will be needed to be fully tested on Leopard, to make sure everything works so the may upgrade every 4 years.

 

[dragula53]

refit

If you don't like the way apple is charging for boot camp, refit is always available (and better).

http://refit.sourceforge.net/

repartition your drive, and create a boot menu.

it also makes triple booting possible.

open source is your friend.

You still need the boot camp driver cd

 

[syklee26]

people forget to realize one thing here in Apple charging $30 for bootcamp. Right now Windows in Bootcamp is not supported by Apple customer service. that $30 will change that.

now if you have problems you should be able to call Apple and seek for support. As of now, you are out of luck if it doesn't work.

 

[MRU]

people forget to realize one thing here in Apple charging $30 for bootcamp. Right now Windows in Bootcamp is not supported by Apple customer service. that $30 will change that.

now if you have problems you should be able to call Apple and seek for support. As of now, you are out of luck if it doesn't work.

very good point.

And i'm surprised that this charge isn't mute for most people. Surely i'm not the only person who will be upgrading to 10.5 as soon as I can.

 

[willybNL]

Dear steve

Dear Steve,

it's just fine to release bootcamp for 10.4 at a price... but hunour your beta testers, the guys who had there macbooks almost killed in the process, send them all (you've got our e-mailadresses, we the 0.1 beta guys) a voucher to get it for free! We earned it right?

And if you would be really generous: put 10.5 for free for everybody, there are a lot of companies out there (not os-related) that spread there latest version to have to just support 1 version... saves lot of you helpdesk .

p.s. Hurry up with that 10.5...

 

[kalisphoenix]

people forget to realize one thing here in Apple charging $30 for bootcamp. Right now Windows in Bootcamp is not supported by Apple customer service. that $30 will change that.

now if you have problems you should be able to call Apple and seek for support. As of now, you are out of luck if it doesn't work.

+5 Insightful.

Once it's out of beta status, they'll have to support it... won't they?

Apple probably won't care if the 1337 pirate it. I'd say it's almost sure to be a support nightmare, though.

 

[Evangelion]

This is simple.

Developing software cost money (omg wtf, say it aint so!)
Bootcamp is Software.
Bootcamp has been in a testing period, however used successfully by many without a cost to them.
Bootcamp goes final.
Boot camp's cost of development is made up in two parts: Leopard sales, where people pay for leopard and get BootCamp with it. And Straight BootCamp sales to older versions of the OS.

Are people honestly complaining about paying for software? Just shutup and go pirate it if you think that is the right and moral thing to do. But don't make us listen to it without SOME sort of logical and well thought out argument for while Apple should be giving you it's hard work for free.

Well, I have no issues with Apple charging for Boot Camp. But... Funny thing is that I had a full-featured OS and more apps I couls shake a stick at, and it cost me exactly zero dollars. So your comments about how charging for monmey is basically a requirement, is 100% crap.

No, software doesn't necessarily cost any money to develop. What if I were a developer and I decided to create a piece of software for the pure enjoyment of creating that software? Like it or not, there are about zillion developer giving you "their hard work" for free. Hey guess what? Apple got Safari's rendering-engine for exactly zero dollars as well! As it happened, KHTML's developers though that they have no need to ask for money for their software? Firefox is free as well. OS X's BSD-groundwork was also free for Apple. As is the OpenLDAP they use, and Apache. They are all free. For some reason their developers felt that they have no need to charge money.

 

[SheriffParker]

Yeah but when the Beta expires, wouldn't that just mean that you could no longer use the Boot Camp Assistant to install Windows? It would seem a little shady to lock out users from accessing their Windows partition after the Beta expires.

Interesting question. Even if they don't lock you out of Windows, you still need Boot Camp Assistant to remove the partition if you decide to uninstall, or if something goes wrong with Windows (very likely ).

 

[jwsmiths]

I don't really like this whole thing that Apple's doing...

Apple giveth (draft-N, BootCamp), and then Apple taketh away ($1.99 charge, $30 charge).

When did Apple giveth draft-n? Why not use a 3rd party drive to access that draft-n feature and not pay Apple?

Apple has a right to charge for BootCamp since it involves Apple writing drivers and software for an OS other than their own. When you buy a Mac you buy OS X, if you want to use Vista on it then let Apple offer a solution and if they want to charge for it then that is fair. I don't see MS making it super-easy to dual boot into Linux (rather the linux community makes the tools that make dual booting easy).

 

[jwsmiths]

So, unless the final Boot Camp has new functionality, basically it'll be $30 for the re-partitioning tool and the drivers?

The firmware, which will ship with the new Macs is he thing that does the heavy lifting, and you can install Windows without Boot Camp Assistant.

A bit steeper than I'd like, since I bought Parallels for $49, but still good news for those who want BC but don't want Leopard for one reason or another.

B

I think basically Apple will start offering trouble shooting support with BootCamp and driver updates and such as part of that $30. Why is that not fair since XP/Vista isn't their OS. Maybe they'll add the ability to create more than 2 bootable partitions into the manager and an easier way of selecting which OS to boot to (such as an easy to use menu in both the Windows and Mac side, Linux too if they feel ambitious).

 

[Multimedia]

All That Will Do Is Delay Migration To Leopard

I am opposed to anything that helps delay migration to the current OS X. While I think it's wonderful for all the laggards, I wish you had to buy Leopard to get Boot Camp. Each major OS X release is only $130 list $75 academic. So I think paying $30 to add Boot Camp to Tiger is throwing good new Leopard money after bad old Tiger.

 

[cb31]

Apple. From the moral high ground they are nickel and dimeing their way to be the new Microsoft. When will it be cool to switch back?

 

[zwida]

Apple. From the moral high ground they are nickel and dimeing their way to be the new Microsoft. When will it be cool to switch back?

When MS makes cool things worth owning and Apple has 95% market share.

 

[Macmadant]

why would anyone do this when for an extra $99 you can have leopard and bootcamp

 

[powermac_daddy]

$30 for a booty.......?

would you go for it?

 

[Anonymous Freak]

If BootCamp allowed the use of a BT keyboard then I'd buy it. But it doesn't. So bleh.

I've been using an Apple Wireless Keyboard in Boot Camp since the first beta. No problems at all. So it does. So... huh?

 

[apfhex]

you still need Boot Camp Assistant to remove the partition if you decide to uninstall

No, you'll just have to do it the hard way.

Boot Camp was always going to be a feature of Leopard, so I dunno why anyone would be surprised by this. At least they are making it available for Tiger users, although $30 seems like a little much for a (limited) partitioning program and a few drivers.

 

[uNext]

Any excuse t odefend apple any reason to hate on microsoft.
Is like computers are turning into digital religions.
Where 1 group sees apple as "GOD" the other group sees microsoft as
the "DEVIL" when in fact their both 1 in the same.

Charge for boot camp? Charge for Draft-N when is not the end users fault?
wow

So many excuses t odefend aplpe bu tat the end of the day your being sucked into apples
business tactics. You will see give it another 10+ years and ALL OF YOU WILL ADORE LINUX OR MICROSOFT MORE.

Apple ended up being the opposite of what it portrayed. Their whole strcture is based on free codes but yet
they charge for their mistakes and mishaps. They are charging us for their mistakes how funny is that

 

[uNext]

Well, I have no issues with Apple charging for Boot Camp. But... Funny thing is that I had a full-featured OS and more apps I couls shake a stick at, and it cost me exactly zero dollars. So your comments about how charging for monmey is basically a requirement, is 100% crap.

No, software doesn't necessarily cost any money to develop. What if I were a developer and I decided to create a piece of software for the pure enjoyment of creating that software? Like it or not, there are about zillion developer giving you "their hard work" for free. Hey guess what? Apple got Safari's rendering-engine for exactly zero dollars as well! As it happened, KHTML's developers though that they have no need to ask for money for their software? Firefox is free as well. OS X's BSD-groundwork was also free for Apple. As is the OpenLDAP they use, and Apache. They are all free. For some reason their developers felt that they have no need to charge money.

BRAVO BRAVO

thank you so much for pointing that out to him.

 

[Object-X]

Full driver support

Boot Camp works great now, but there are a few drivers missing. Bluetooth needs some work and the iSight camera too. I assume there will be a complete set of drivers for Vista. Bluetooth doesn't work at all with Vista nor does the camera. Video drivers are available at ATI for Vista, but the XP drivers in Boot Camp now don't work of course. There is also an issue with some USB bus or something that Windows is always complaining about.

So, for a complete set of working and supported drivers I think $30 is a fair price if you need to run Windows and you can't/won't upgrade to Leopard. A lot of Apple's customers don't need this ability and for those of us who do, a Leopard upgrade is almost a given. So it's nice for Apple to give Tiger users the option.

 

[Peace]

Boot Camp works great now, but there are a few drivers missing. Bluetooth needs some work and the iSight camera too. I assume there will be a complete set of drivers for Vista. Bluetooth doesn't work at all with Vista nor does the camera. Video drivers are available at ATI for Vista, but the XP drivers in Boot Camp now don't work of course. There is also an issue with some USB bus or something that Windows is always complaining about.

So, for a complete set of working and supported drivers I think $30 is a fair price if you need to run Windows and you can't/won't upgrade to Leopard. A lot of Apple's customers don't need this ability and for those of us who do, a Leopard upgrade is almost a given. So it's nice for Apple to give Tiger users the option.

Bluetooth works fine for me under Vista.

 

[ManchesterTrix]

why would anyone do this when for an extra $99 you can have leopard and bootcamp

Because we don't trust Leopard in a production environment when it's first released.

 

[Toddgabweg]

I am patiently waiting for the new OS so I can order a 24in imac...

 

[iMacZealot]

I'm going to buy Leopard for $69. I think I don't have to worry about this...

I can't remember or not, and if I'm wrong, please correct me.....but when Tiger came out in April '05, wasn't it $129 even on the EDU discount for a while? I know it's $69 now, but wasn't it $129 for a while?

 

[mrsebastian]

$30 is basically an incentive to upgrade to leopard. why wouldn't you want to it anyway for the upgrade... anyway, what i wouldn't mind seeing is a more powerful version that works more like parallels, specifically having the option to run bootcamp as it does now from startup or having a window within osx like parallels. i'd charge $30 for that as add on software. realistically, how many people actually run both operating systems. sure i installed it and used it... well once.

perhaps apple should create a "switcher's bundle"? hardware, software, etc., and an ipod shuffle and itunes gift card as a special gift. furthermore, you have a twice a year sale to promote this package: a new year, january "resolutions" sale and end of summer, back to school sale.