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Final Boot Camp To Be Offered To Tiger Users For $30?
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Everything should be free
I cannot believe that Apple would charge for a beta. They are selling out for sure, and leading others to do the same. In fact, I downloaded a so called "trial" version for 30 days. THIRTY DAYS! I used it for free and discovered it was so helpful that I became actually quite dependent upon it. I use it all the time now, and have important documents that are now in that format. Alas, the 30 days are up and I either lose all that data and functionality or cough up the bucks. All this is Apple's fault. I am now dependent upon this software and have to pay. It is not fair.
Sounds like drug dealers to me.
All things from Apple should be free and then we would have world peace. Everyone should keep whining -- louder
see 'ya
I cannot believe that Apple would charge for a beta. They are selling out for sure, and leading others to do the same. In fact, I downloaded a so called "trial" version for 30 days. THIRTY DAYS! I used it for free and discovered it was so helpful that I became actually quite dependent upon it. I use it all the time now, and have important documents that are now in that format. Alas, the 30 days are up and I either lose all that data and functionality or cough up the bucks. All this is Apple's fault. I am now dependent upon this software and have to pay. It is not fair.
Sounds like drug dealers to me.
All things from Apple should be free and then we would have world peace. Everyone should keep whining -- louder
see 'ya
Why not?
...Actually, Vista is already compatible with Boot Camp. Many of us are using the Vista Beta on our Macs with very few problems (considering both pieces of software are still beta releases).
I'm absolutely sure those problems will be worked out and Vista will be fully supported in Leopard (or for $30, Tiger).
One more reason for me not to boot Windows on my Mac(like I need any more
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But in allm truth I'll get 10.5, and I'll never use bootcamp!
)But in allm truth I'll get 10.5, and I'll never use bootcamp!
Will the new BootCamp release eliminate the need for a reboot when switching operating systems? (a la Parallels) If that's the case, I wouldn't mind dishing out the 30 dollars.
Yeah, I currently have Windows Vista RC2 running on a slave drive that I boot into by holding down the OPTION key during boot. Works like a charm (use it for AutoCAD 2007).
Hey, if it offers something more than the drivers and the re-partitioning tool, it seems like it could be worth thr $30! (e.g. the oft rumored Fast OS Switching).
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Apple has made many comments about how they feel boot camp is the best solution and virtualization is not viable for them. Besides when you have Parallels and VMware etc. I think they would rather leave those headaches to other companies, there isn't a need for them to fill and with the new parallels beta to be able to run off of a bootcamp partition I wouldn't be surprised if apple wasn't helping them with some things behind the scenes.
bootcamp + vista
yes it works, i have it installed on my macbook. you need the latest bootcamp and when the instructions ask you to put in the windows xp cd and reboot, place your release version vista cd in and reboot. no funny steps required like some of the guys were posting back in the vista beta days, i've had no problems installing whatsoever.
vmware works fine with vista as well. the only problem i see is that 32 bit vista gets installed for vmware. could it be that mac os x 10.4 is not 64 bit?
yes it works, i have it installed on my macbook. you need the latest bootcamp and when the instructions ask you to put in the windows xp cd and reboot, place your release version vista cd in and reboot. no funny steps required like some of the guys were posting back in the vista beta days, i've had no problems installing whatsoever.
vmware works fine with vista as well. the only problem i see is that 32 bit vista gets installed for vmware. could it be that mac os x 10.4 is not 64 bit?
I don't think so... I'm pretty sure I got my at the Penn Computer Connection for $69 just a couple days after it was released.
And what is that, Linux? Congrats, go find an open source version of bootcamp and use that, or program it yourself. Or perhaps you were implying that you pirated OSX?
Wrong. Dead wrong. Software dev cost money. Time is money, work is money, and any of those software developers could be making *more* money if they sold their work instead of handing it out for free. However that is the beauty of open source software, it is often times developed by many different software engineers, over a long period of time. The cost to the individual may not be that great, and the volunteer effort is much appreciated. But the net value is still the same.
And news flash, Safari is free!! Apple developers who go to work every day to bring home money for their family end up working on a free product. I'm sure they enjoy the fact that Apple pays their checks from funds from other sources of revenue.
In fact modern programming languages are built on "free" code. Entire libraries of pre written code exist in order to save the modern developer coding time. I can write what would be highly complex programs with a few lines of code thanks to the extensive C++/Java/C# libraries. Every other modern high level language I'm aware of has similar libraries.
This does not negate the fact that a person spends their time creating a work (improved upon a base or not) and compensation is sometimes helpful.
See above.
There are two different paths for software, Open Source or Company product. One is generally free, the other is generally not. Perhaps one day all software will be open source and free, and in my spare time I'll dev software for the fun of it. But when that day comes I'll be out of a day to day job, and will have to go to work as a carpenter or something, and only code in my free time. Personally I quite enjoy getting paid to code, and I also like dinking around in my spare time on side projects.
Apple can not hand out all software for free. There is a breaking point where the time and energy spent on all software dev must be recuperated at least in part. Apple is a business, with stock holders and a goal. 1 infinite look is not a gathering of people who all go into a building every day in order to work for free.
Personally I'm ecstatic that Apple releases all the software they do for the total cost that they do. OSX is is an amazing project that despite having open source aspects is still an accomplishment that I don't think you comprehend. Past that there is ongoing support that is "free" through updates and tech.
If I pulled off making OSX I'd charge more than $130, personally. And screw discounts. On top of that I probably wouldn't allow you to bother me for help getting it to work, especially not for free, or pennies.
But if you dislike companies selling products, by all means find an open source solution or make it yourself. And if their exists a specialized product that is beyond the open source community or your own skill to deliver in the time frame you need it, than pay the company that did.
Apple is fully justified in charging for it's products, even if it's not what you want. Would I like it for free? Of course. But am I willing to pay for the hard work another human being put into it? Yes, because it's worth it to me (or would be if I could find a company willing to give me an Intel Mac for free, maybe I'll complain about that...).
To be grateful a product is free is one thing. To whine moan and complain because a product cost money is just beyond me.
~Tyler
Outside of asking you to think before you post, or at least turn on OSX's auto check spell, I have just a few questions...
What product, free or otherwise, is it that that you buy that is free of any defect now or in the future? Because you seem to be holding Apple to some standard of perfection that someone else accomplishes here on Earth that makes Apple immoral for holding to.
Even your life wasn't free or without error. If you are unsure of this, ask your mom and an english prof.
Well been running Vista on my Imac 23' for months now not really had any problems. Only installed it so I could play with my xbox 360 hd drive and enjoy some hi def films on the nice 23' imac display (since at present apple software doesnt support the playback of this type of movie and the imac is in my bedroom so it's easy to connect it)
See no great trauma paying for bootcamp final release since it was beta software, dont really understand complaints regarding this. In fact since I will no doubt be buying the new osx and it comes free with that it's a added incentive to buy the upgrade, Hopefully by then there will be support for hd dvd playback anyway and I can bin VISTA altogether anyway so it's all bonuses from my point of view.
It's also worth noting Apple are a business and not some evangelical software company trying to save the world by giving away free software lol.
See no great trauma paying for bootcamp final release since it was beta software, dont really understand complaints regarding this. In fact since I will no doubt be buying the new osx and it comes free with that it's a added incentive to buy the upgrade, Hopefully by then there will be support for hd dvd playback anyway and I can bin VISTA altogether anyway so it's all bonuses from my point of view.
It's also worth noting Apple are a business and not some evangelical software company trying to save the world by giving away free software lol.
I'm replying mostly so people read your comment again. I think that is where a few people on the boards here have lost their way. That, or they are pre working world and don't understand the basic business world.
To all the whiners:
Go buy a PC. Then you dont even NEED bootcamp! And, you will save time but not needing to post (whine) on this forum.
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Seriously,
Apple will sell what, 20 copies of Bootcamp? Everyone will be running Leopard by Fall 07 when Bootcamp expires. And, even at $30, its a bargain to be able to run Windows on a Mac at full speed, something unheard of just over a year ago.
The irony is if Apple charged us $30 for the Beta from the beginning, we would have all purchased it for that price and been happy as ever with the new functionality it offered.
Go buy a PC. Then you dont even NEED bootcamp! And, you will save time but not needing to post (whine) on this forum.
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Seriously,
Apple will sell what, 20 copies of Bootcamp? Everyone will be running Leopard by Fall 07 when Bootcamp expires. And, even at $30, its a bargain to be able to run Windows on a Mac at full speed, something unheard of just over a year ago.
The irony is if Apple charged us $30 for the Beta from the beginning, we would have all purchased it for that price and been happy as ever with the new functionality it offered.
nickel and diming us to death?
hey, i love my three apple computers and will surely upgrade to leopard, BUT i dont like ONE BIT that apple now thinks they have to nickel and dime us to death! what next? pay $1.99 for each incremental upgrade from now on? a yearly 'maintenance' charge? that apple is not run by mother theresa's is becoming more apparent, did you know that apple insisted on copy protection for itunes songs even when the artist/label did not?!
a piece of good advice, steve, don't fix something thats not broken.....
hey, i love my three apple computers and will surely upgrade to leopard, BUT i dont like ONE BIT that apple now thinks they have to nickel and dime us to death! what next? pay $1.99 for each incremental upgrade from now on? a yearly 'maintenance' charge? that apple is not run by mother theresa's is becoming more apparent, did you know that apple insisted on copy protection for itunes songs even when the artist/label did not?!
a piece of good advice, steve, don't fix something thats not broken.....
Will Need Boot Camp On iPhone
With all the sophisticated Pocket Windows applications out there already, Apple is going to have to offer a Boot Camp for Pocket Windows with the iPhone.
With all the sophisticated Pocket Windows applications out there already, Apple is going to have to offer a Boot Camp for Pocket Windows with the iPhone.
BootCamp = $30.
Leopard = $69
BootCamp = Allows you to dual boot Windows on a Mac.
Leopard = A heck of a lot more and BootCamp. Entire Operating System. More expensive, but way better value.
I'm buying Leopard.
Leopard = $69
BootCamp = Allows you to dual boot Windows on a Mac.
Leopard = A heck of a lot more and BootCamp. Entire Operating System. More expensive, but way better value.
I'm buying Leopard.
Here are a number of points:
-Apple is not charging for Boot Camp Beta, they are charging for Boot Camp Final for Tiger.
-Apple could have released Boot Camp for free with purchase of Leopard and left Tiger users in the dust, is $30 for legacy software that big of a deal when you could have had nothing instead?
-This is not a new process. iChat AV for Jaguar cost $30. Like Boot Camp, it was made clear that the BETA software would expire and the final version would be available for purchase with Panther (Leopard) or standalone.
-This process is completely different than the Wireless N issue. Don't even try to compare it.
-Apple is not charging for Boot Camp Beta, they are charging for Boot Camp Final for Tiger.
-Apple could have released Boot Camp for free with purchase of Leopard and left Tiger users in the dust, is $30 for legacy software that big of a deal when you could have had nothing instead?
-This is not a new process. iChat AV for Jaguar cost $30. Like Boot Camp, it was made clear that the BETA software would expire and the final version would be available for purchase with Panther (Leopard) or standalone.
-This process is completely different than the Wireless N issue. Don't even try to compare it.
Are you BLEEPing retarded????????? I mean seriously????
You're clearly NOT talking about BootCamp, since it isn't 30 days. In that case, you are a MORON because any Apple trial software you downloaded was titled exactly that, TRIAL! Why do you think they make trial software???? The whole point is to get people hooked on a good program, and give people a chance to try it out.
Everyone quit b*tching, and if you're going to do it, know what you're talking about.
