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Final Cut Studio 2+ is here!
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"....that it took Apple four years to go from v1.0 to v2.0 of Color (which is ridiculous)."
3 years ago, Color was a $22,000 piece of software! Are you kidding me? Why has everyone assumed that this is such a let-down? Let's wait for real world experience.
My octo-core MP DOES utilize ALL 8 cores in Compressor and FCP. In fact, I can hit 90-100% on all 8 cores with the right project. Whoever mentioned they are going to get the same performance with FCP in a twin core vs. quad or octo is seriously mistaken. I have a couple of iMacs, a MBP and the MP. There are serious performance differences between every machine.
Let's wait and see what everything looks like before bagging on it! Seriously. FCP 6 was and still is a phenomenal program. If you need more extensive titling options, add After Effects. There are positives about both suites and I use them together for almost every project I do. I am hoping FCP7 takes away from some of the back and forth, but I've definitely been happy with FCP over the last two years.
Again, as mentioned earlier....there is a new OS on the horizon. The OS is what will allow the software to take advantage of 64 bit technology, not the other way around. It's not really fair to make a conclusion before you've seen or tested the software. Mine is due to arrive on Monday and I will be doing an extensive review of the two systems side by side when it arrives. I'm in the same boat as LethalWolf....too many projects on the horizon to switch over right away on the main editing system.
J
3 years ago, Color was a $22,000 piece of software! Are you kidding me? Why has everyone assumed that this is such a let-down? Let's wait for real world experience.
My octo-core MP DOES utilize ALL 8 cores in Compressor and FCP. In fact, I can hit 90-100% on all 8 cores with the right project. Whoever mentioned they are going to get the same performance with FCP in a twin core vs. quad or octo is seriously mistaken. I have a couple of iMacs, a MBP and the MP. There are serious performance differences between every machine.
Let's wait and see what everything looks like before bagging on it! Seriously. FCP 6 was and still is a phenomenal program. If you need more extensive titling options, add After Effects. There are positives about both suites and I use them together for almost every project I do. I am hoping FCP7 takes away from some of the back and forth, but I've definitely been happy with FCP over the last two years.
Again, as mentioned earlier....there is a new OS on the horizon. The OS is what will allow the software to take advantage of 64 bit technology, not the other way around. It's not really fair to make a conclusion before you've seen or tested the software. Mine is due to arrive on Monday and I will be doing an extensive review of the two systems side by side when it arrives. I'm in the same boat as LethalWolf....too many projects on the horizon to switch over right away on the main editing system.
J
Actually Final Touch 2k was $25k before Apple purchased Silicon Color and rebranded FT as Color.
But that's neither here nor there. After two years all Color basically gets is some of it's many show-stopping bugs fixed, really? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they fixed what they fixed but this type of stuff should've been fixed long ago in point updates not all saved up to be part of the FCS suite upgrade. It's such a let down if this is the only significant upgrade we get until 2011. I'm hoping that because of the price drop, because SL is around the corner, and because this update is so light in the loafers that another, post-SL update will happen in 2011. I hope. I mean, when a big TC window and color-coded markers are some of the featured upgrades isn't that a sign that not very much noteworthy stuff got added?
Lethal
Man this is just what I feared no Snow Leopard improvements.
Remember when Tiger came out and Final Cut Studio came out with no Core Image or Core Video effects? You had to wait like 3 years till that happened.
This just seems the same no 64-bit, no grand central, no open CL.
No new DVD Studio Pro (BluRay Studio Pro?) World of hurt huh?
Color still looks a inside house program, and not a apple like interface at all.
This should be a free update for owners of Final Cut Studio 2.
It is a sweet deal for people who never upgraded from Production Suite though.
I don't see any reason for me to upgrade other than maybe having a cheaper upgrade in the future (But I just got burned doing that).
At $250 (my corporate price) I will probably cave, but I just wish I was excited about this product.
Remember when Tiger came out and Final Cut Studio came out with no Core Image or Core Video effects? You had to wait like 3 years till that happened.
This just seems the same no 64-bit, no grand central, no open CL.
No new DVD Studio Pro (BluRay Studio Pro?) World of hurt huh?
Color still looks a inside house program, and not a apple like interface at all.
This should be a free update for owners of Final Cut Studio 2.
It is a sweet deal for people who never upgraded from Production Suite though.
I don't see any reason for me to upgrade other than maybe having a cheaper upgrade in the future (But I just got burned doing that).
At $250 (my corporate price) I will probably cave, but I just wish I was excited about this product.
Man this is just what I feared no Snow Leopard improvements.
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This just seems the same no 64-bit, no grand central, no open CL.
Those are assumptions based on very limited information. Apple certainly isn't helping us here.
The Macworld review for FC 7 had this line; "While Apple states that there will be performance benefits from running Snow Leopard with Final Cut Pro 7, no new features are enabled by running it". I couldn't find that information any other place, like in an Apple document. Anyway, those benefits may be use of grand central and OpenCL, along with 64-bit capabilities.
To get proper answers may require waiting for the release of Snow Leopard and a point release of the FCS apps.
I'm in L.A. taking RED Digital Cinema's REDucation session and coincidently the new studio was released the day before the very first day of RED Post; The instructors, Michael Cioni and Ted, weren't aware that Apple had finally released the new studio and Michael admitted he has been itching for several months about the new Pro Res 4444 and other variants, and unable to tell anyone outside of RED; From his excitement, this new studio has some great potential from the standpoint of RED.
Michael Cioni hasn't been able to test out Color 1.5, but he did show us tests today about the image softness from frame grabs of varying color correction software from Pablo, Scratch, Adobe, RED Alert, RED Cine, and lastly Color 1.0, which was picking up the rear in terms of softness.
On a sidenote, we got to see the new RED Rocket card and words cannot describe the amazement of seeing 4K playing back in real time. Earlier in the Tech class we had a $125,000 IGI 4K monitor hooked up to a Clipster that was playing back 4K real time, but was was astounding to see the same thing done with a card that will cost under $5,000.
Michael Cioni hasn't been able to test out Color 1.5, but he did show us tests today about the image softness from frame grabs of varying color correction software from Pablo, Scratch, Adobe, RED Alert, RED Cine, and lastly Color 1.0, which was picking up the rear in terms of softness.
On a sidenote, we got to see the new RED Rocket card and words cannot describe the amazement of seeing 4K playing back in real time. Earlier in the Tech class we had a $125,000 IGI 4K monitor hooked up to a Clipster that was playing back 4K real time, but was was astounding to see the same thing done with a card that will cost under $5,000.
Waiting for this to show up on torrents
Do people really try to torrent this thing?
In the comment box when I see it:
"It doesnt have the content disc, can you post that that too."
"Damn its big, need more seeders."
People who steal it are easy to spot because they don't have any of the media that comes w/it and sometimes they don't even have all of the apps in the suite.
Lethal
I can understand it being a big let down to those that already have FCS2, but for me this upgrade it great. I am currently using FCE and have been meaning to upgrade for a while, but with the current pricing I can get a cheap copy of Final Cut Pro off ebay and then buy the upgrade for almost half what it would cost me to buy the full retail version.
And I will be very surprised if they don't at least patch it at some point so the encoding uses OpenCL.
And I will be very surprised if they don't at least patch it at some point so the encoding uses OpenCL.
If you buy off eBay make sure you get keep an eye out for the following:
original discs (some people try to pass off burned copies)
unregistered copy
full retail copy (not an upgrade version, not an academic version, not a 'not for resale' version, etc.,).
Lethal
original discs (some people try to pass off burned copies)
unregistered copy
full retail copy (not an upgrade version, not an academic version, not a 'not for resale' version, etc.,).
Lethal
What are some of the bugs left in Color?
(I don't use the app myself, but might like to once I have a better idea of how to do the more the basic color correction within FCP and a proper CC setup.)
How backwards compatible is this new version of FCS?
The computer I do most of my work on at work won't run it, and it's not due to be upgraded until the beginning of next year. But I'm tempted to get it and learn the new features (and as I do most of my Motion work at home, it would be beneficial for that). A bit worried, though, that I'd have a hard time transferring projects started at home to finish at work on the old computer.
The computer I do most of my work on at work won't run it, and it's not due to be upgraded until the beginning of next year. But I'm tempted to get it and learn the new features (and as I do most of my Motion work at home, it would be beneficial for that). A bit worried, though, that I'd have a hard time transferring projects started at home to finish at work on the old computer.
From what I've read Color still has a problem w/PAL footage, interlaced footage, mixed format timelines, and mixed frame rate timelines. Until Color gets out there though we won't know how well Apple fixed what they said they fixed and what other bugs still remain.
Apple laughs at the idea of backwards compatibility. Heck, sometimes it's problematic just getting older FCP projects to open on newer versions of the software.
Lethal
a couple mac beginner questions
this would be my first time buying final cut studio
couple questions since these apps were not rewritten in 64 bit, is this a good time to buy?... i've read some people thinking an update will come right after snow leopard- but i mean really?
also if i buy this now, install it- then i update to SL later i don't have to reinstall everything do i?
this would be my first time buying final cut studio
couple questions since these apps were not rewritten in 64 bit, is this a good time to buy?... i've read some people thinking an update will come right after snow leopard- but i mean really?
also if i buy this now, install it- then i update to SL later i don't have to reinstall everything do i?
That's what I was afraid of (and of course, I'm sure they also do the 'wipe out the old version upon installation of the new version...or at least make it inoperable' trick as well)
Apple...love them sometimes, other times...
So true.
"I got logic studio"
"Cool. Dude your missing loops and crap."
"It didn't come with them."
Pulls out huge box with all the disc.
"You forgot to torrent this (content) disc."
Wow, you must be seeing some serious loser leeches. A good site will have the whole shebang, media, all the apps etc.
Those who bt this, don't work professionally with it. Any self-respecting pro will buy a copy since they use it to make money, and can even write it off taxes.
Those who bt it, and are not pros - well, they don't make money on it, so... meh.
Do you imagine Apple cares? I seriously doubt it. Piracy - within bounds - is advantageous to some software companies. Those who steal it might not be able to afford to buy it - but this way they learn it, and then when they get a job in the industry or become established, they'll use FCP. Win-win. If Apple came down hard on the pirates, they'd have fewer cubs growing up on this software. It's like free heroin. That's one thing that allowed Windows to become so dominant the world over - piracy. Then the pirates move into the work world, know how to use it, demand windows, and pay for it. Win-win-win.
Regardless - this update sucks.
You'd be surprised how many professionals, and companies, pirate software.
One thing I love about the internet-age is the classic hypothetical question, "What would you do if you knew you'd never get caught?" isn't hypothetical anymore.
If Apple didn't care the software wouldn't ship w/unique serial numbers and it wouldn't be network aware. And piracy w/in bounds? Lemme know when that happens.
If you wanna continue this discussion let's start a new thread so this one doesn't get hijacked.
Lethal
Well, at least the upgrade price ($299) is in line with level of updates, which in my book only qualify as a 0.5 update that I would be a bit upset to pay $699 for. I'm contemplating ordering the upgrade. And the full version is now $300 cheaper.
A couple of my predictions came true:
1. I predicted that Apple would ignore updating DVDSP yet again. I never understood the point behind supporting blue laser drives at all when DVDSP continues to only support a dead blue laser format...
2. Color now supports 4K. Very nice.
Some oddities:
1. They added native AVC Intra support, but AVCHD is still a transcode. Not that this directly affects me, but I can imagine other people aren't happy.
2. Unless I missed something reading the software specs, there appears to be no 4K timeline support in FCP 7. At least there's no mention of it that I can see. But I suppose that 4K RED finishes could be achieved sending a proxy cut to Color...
3. Largely untouched code base. I was really hoping that Apple would work towards a new 64-bit platform and perhaps release a new version of FCS after Snow Leopard. More than anything, this update seems to be an attempt to level the playing field a bit with Premiere and Vegas before releasing a major update.
One other thought: from the pictures, the retail box looks smaller, as if they ditched the printed "bibles." No biggie, just an observation. PDFs are fine and well....portable.
A couple of my predictions came true:
1. I predicted that Apple would ignore updating DVDSP yet again. I never understood the point behind supporting blue laser drives at all when DVDSP continues to only support a dead blue laser format...
2. Color now supports 4K. Very nice.
Some oddities:
1. They added native AVC Intra support, but AVCHD is still a transcode. Not that this directly affects me, but I can imagine other people aren't happy.
2. Unless I missed something reading the software specs, there appears to be no 4K timeline support in FCP 7. At least there's no mention of it that I can see. But I suppose that 4K RED finishes could be achieved sending a proxy cut to Color...
3. Largely untouched code base. I was really hoping that Apple would work towards a new 64-bit platform and perhaps release a new version of FCS after Snow Leopard. More than anything, this update seems to be an attempt to level the playing field a bit with Premiere and Vegas before releasing a major update.
One other thought: from the pictures, the retail box looks smaller, as if they ditched the printed "bibles." No biggie, just an observation. PDFs are fine and well....portable.
Could be as less and less people are actually using that manuals and instead finding help through forums like this or other sources such as tutorials on youtube.
Anyone have any first hands experience yet?
Actually, my tendency with FCS has just been to search the help PDF. Provided you have any clue what you're doing, it is the fastest way. Asking for help on the forums is only useful if your question is so specific that the manuals can't answer, or you know so little that the manual is useless.
That said, I've seen a lot of people jump into FCS or not get proper training from others. Editing is about more than just pushing clips around. Anybody can do that. A real editor knows what they're doing, why, and how to fix it when it breaks.
That said, I've seen a lot of people jump into FCS or not get proper training from others. Editing is about more than just pushing clips around. Anybody can do that. A real editor knows what they're doing, why, and how to fix it when it breaks.
My hunch here is that, because FCP 7 is still limited to using 2 cores for RT, and because editing with native AVCHD is so processor intensive, Apple decided to continue to require transcoding AVCHD to ProRes/AIC in order to prevent frequent crashing.