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Final Cut Studio Update Scaled Back and Delayed?

Final Cut is not the only program in need of an overhaul or update for us laptop & desktop folks.
We have been feed peanuts for some time now. Most all attention has been placed on iPhone, Apple TV and related development.

I am experimenting with Premiere Elements 9 currently. Now I can make my 1st blu-ray disk. Like the control I have over AVCHD editing instantly.
A little buggy but at least someone out there is developing apps.
Apple does not seem interested in that right now.

BTW FCE is my favorite program. That's the skill level where I am at. Some day I will move up. The question is what program will that be?
 
wheezy said:
And now pushing this back to sometime next year is
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BS. Hardmac lost all reliability when they dropped mention of Shake -- a long dead program that Apple removed from the shelves and openly said they would no longer developed, over a year ago.

Plus Apple never said there would be a FCS release this year. So what are they 'pushing back'. And Hardmac provided zero evidence to back up claims.

really go to hurt sales as far as I can tell.... how many loyal FCP users would jump ship to Adobe on this one?
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None. Because FCS still works just fine and dandy. Major motion pictures, tv shows and whole studios are thrilled with it.

And even if they were to drop FCS, it won't be for Adobe. It will be for Avid, which is still entrenched in the many studios cause the old fogies that haven't yet retired like it and use it
 
Until one of the other NLE's comes through with some groundbreaking features and much better performance I will be happy with the current state of the suite. Yes, it is a total bummer that we won't see new features for awhile, but I am very happy with the stability of my system right now. A company that I edit for on a regular basis uses the newest version of Premiere on Windows machines, and it is decent, but not as smooth as FCP. It crashes occasionally and parts of the interface are just clunkier than FCP. Multicam editing in Premiere is pretty awful. Beta versions of CS5.5 are already out there and that should help fix some of the stability issues though.
 
Wow, I don't even use FCP, but the message this sends is truly worrying. :(

Right now, I only feel lucky I'm not a victim as a photographer using Aperture, but I wonder if I'm next. What's going on with Apple's professional product lines. :S It's all consumer these days.

mutantteenager said:
It's laughable that they push all the superior performance of the overpriced Mac Pro when their 'Pro Apps' aren't even optimised for the hardware. Lame.
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Indeed. This is how the kind of divide in attention from Apple's side becomes apparent to end-users. Apple only get away with it since they still have a strong foothold in the industry, since earlier days.
 
wheezy said:
And now pushing this back to sometime next year is really go to hurt sales as far as I can tell.... how many loyal FCP users would jump ship to Adobe on this one?
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Already did. I gave up waiting and just went from CS4 Design Premium -> CS5 Master and so far Premiere/After Effects combo has been working flawlessly.
 
Glad I jumped ship from Final Cut to Avid after Final Cut 4. MC5 blows final cut studio 3 out of the water and now even more delays with final cut, what a joke of an application it will be compared to the competition.
Avid gets it right, all the do is post production. I'm not worried Avid is gonna let Media Composer fall by the way side while they work on consumer devices. Pros go to Avid.
 
Already Jumped Ship

First off, this article is bogus. Apple has almost always had 18 months between releases and a 2010 release was too soon.

It doesn't matter though. I'm already into editing my next movie. Shot in 1080p, Full HD on Sony EX3's. Final Cut chokes on it. 64 Bit Adobe Premiere with CUDA is smooth as a baby's butt and the 16GB Ram can handle natively everything without a slowdown. May even add another 16GB when we get into After Effects. Sorry Apple. You blew it for software.

The Mac Pro's are actually still a bargain for editing suites, but once that goes in the next 3-4 years, I'll leave you behind for good. That, coupled with your terrible slave labor business practices and environmental PR spin, makes me not shed a tear.
 
baryon said:
Time to switch to Premiere Pro, since it's up to date feature-wise and has a nice interface.

FCP is totally old now and lacks basic features that Premiere has had for long, such as playing everything without rendering, smooth scrubbing and the time stretch tool. The only reason I've been using FCP was because it was way faster than Premiere Pro CS4, but now CS5 is as fast.
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Why switch at all? FCE still meets most of my needs, and it's already paid for. I just saved $1400!
 
What a surprise. But to all those saying they'll learn Premier, you've got to be kidding me, learn Avid, not Premier, no where will hire you if you know Premier...
 
I think the Hardmac article is crap, but I also think that a major FCP rewrite is taking longer than Apple anticipated (though for not exactly the same reasons Hardmac brings up). As others have said, the mentioning of Shake (which was EOL'd in '06 even though they kept selling it until '09) and a planned 2010 release date are big red flags that the article is less than reputable, IMO.

Phillip Hodgetts has a great blog post speculating about the state of FCP and I think his insights are significantly more valuable than what Hardmac has to say.


Lethal
 
Use CS5 Premiere over an "older" version of FCS?!

NO effin' way.

If you like how premiere works, good for you.

I for one find it ridiculously stupid to use for some of the most mundane things...like a freeze frame shot for instance.
 
To me, ignorant comments like this should be tossed...as it's complete BS, and as untruthful and false as can be

"It doesn't matter though. I'm already into editing my next movie. Shot in 1080p, Full HD on Sony EX3's. Final Cut chokes on it. 64 Bit Adobe Premiere with CUDA is smooth as a baby's butt and the 16GB Ram can handle natively everything without a slowdown. May even add another 16GB when we get into After Effects. Sorry Apple. You blew it for software."

I've shot with HVX, HPX, EX-1 and EX-3s now for the past couple of years. We have two EX-1s, an HVX and HPX, and a single EX-3 in inventory. As well as a couple of DSLRs. (5d2 and 7d).

EVERY bit of motion I've captured since day one has been in 1080p, with the rare exception someone wanted footage in 480.

I'm still rockin' an '08 3.0ghz OctoCore with 14gigs of RAM. I've NEVER, EVER seen FCP "Choke" on footage from ANY of the fore-named cameras...not on this workstation...or either of my MacBook Pros. Rendering on my MP is fast as hell! And it's a two year old machine. My new 17" MBP (Core i7) is a screamer as well! Now granted...a new program could shave render times from 7 seconds to 5....but seriously? I'm going to give up my NLE for those kinds of savings?

I'm not hear to dismiss the new creative suite from Adobe. I've been an After Effects user for a couple years and love the program. Some of the benchmarks I've seen with the 'Cuda enabled cards are very intriguing, to say the least. However...FCP still does what I need and in a very speedy way. FCP is also editing Red Footage @ 4.4.4 color space with their plug-in. And those files are a helluva lot heavier than anything Sony or Panasonic is providing these days. I just hope others have the 'smarts' to read "Real" user comments before making decisions on the fallacies posted earlier.

Ridiculous!

J
 
I sure hope this is wrong.

Compressor needs to be fixed in a major way.

I've said this before on these boards, but I have to jump hoops just to get it to work right for more than 1 file (as in maximizing all processors). Beyond that, it's a crapshoot of deleting prefs, rebooting, resetting QMaster.

I'm a big fanboy, but compressor is not only pathetic on its own, but it's shady to sell a powerful workhorse computer that can't even maximize with the software from the same friggin' vendor!!! grrrrrrr!

There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to set up a batch, set my QMaster and watch it go full bore 100% overnight instead of having an error after 1 file.
(and yes, I've talked to support and have tickets.).

wow....
 
I don't know one production house or ad agency in the greater Boston area that updates their software as released anyway. Most clients are still running FCS 2. I have to leave it on my laptop for that very reason.

My personal MP edit system is FCS 3. It is stable and that is what I need for work. Myself, and most professionals don't have the time or want to upgrade to a brand-new version of software, screw ourselves with backwards compatibility of archived projects and work out kinks with our capture cards and software, among other things.

So even if it is true, I probably wouldn't upgrade for the next couple of years anyway, like most professionals.

And as has been mentioned, for offline editing FCP works just fine the way it is. Compressor using the multiple cores is what is important. I can edit the same timelines on a mac mini as I can my MP.
 
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