Final Cut Studio Update Scaled Back and Delayed?

[backdraft]

Apple needs to create a development platform like .Net that has JIT compiling but based on LLVM/clang so that multiple programming languages can be used with the same framework to develop mobile, desktop and web apps.

Microsoft copied Java with .Net but with multiple language support and now Oracle will be adding more language support to the Java VM.

Object C is a funky language that is relatively unknown when compare to others. Perhaps Apple could have transitioned these developers instead of firing them had they implemented an LLVM/clang JIT development environment.

To beat a dead horse I also believe Apple made a bad move in not acquiring Sun Microsystems. Sun had plenty of top talent and key technology. The only reason they didn't succeed was their lack of marketing which Apple is very good at.

Much of that talent could have been used on the OS side of the house. Apple would have also had the possibility to finally have a real enterprise team with experience. But hey that's spilled milk, perhaps they can pick up Joyent now.

There is information to strongly suggest that they were Carbon programmers and thus no longer of use. NOT that Apple was dumping the Suite

 

[MorphingDragon]

Apple needs to create a development platform like .Net that has JIT compiling but based on LLVM/clang so that multiple programming languages can be used with the same framework to develop mobile, desktop and web apps.

Microsoft copied Java with .Net but with multiple language support and now Oracle will be adding more language support to the Java VM.

Object C is a funky language that is relatively unknown when compare to others. Perhaps Apple could have transitioned these developers instead of firing them had they implemented an LLVM/clang JIT development environment.

To beat a dead horse I also believe Apple made a bad move in not acquiring Sun Microsystems. Sun had plenty of top talent and key technology. The only reason they didn't succeed was their lack of marketing which Apple is very good at.

Much of that talent could have been used on the OS side of the house. Apple would have also had the possibility to finally have a real enterprise team with experience. But hey that's spilled milk, perhaps they can pick up Joyent now.

LLVM supports JIT.

I wonder if you actually know what LLVM and Clang do.

 

[xbjllb]

Translation: NO BLU-Ray IMPLEMENTATION ON MACS. EVER.

THIS will be the death of Apple COMPUTERS. That someone so incredibly megalomaniacal can think he can foster 2003 optical drive technology on his high-end highest ticket customers, and push back Apple's flagship video editing program because it would HAVE to deal with HD and OBVIOUSLY BD DRIVES and an OS to author, proof, and burn that media for delivery, is no longer enraging, but pathethic. Where would Apple have been today had Jobs insisted that Macs didn't ever need CD/DVD burning capability?

Only Jobs thinks he can kill Blu-ray with crappy compressed downloads, because the infrastructure to deliver enough data for HD will not likely be available for decades given the current economic crisis. Certainly in the US and even more so worldwide.

Not to mention KILLING Apple's established base of pro content creators, the sole demographic that it relies on for its entire cutting edge cachet, and driving them to Premiere.

That's nuts. Over-the-top, sell all the bubble stock quick, put the man out to pasture in the loony bin nuts.

Folks, Apple Computers is over and it's time to move on. Sony's got PC's with integral BD burners, and by now it's obvious Windows will have full Blu-ray implementation long before Apple can clothe Steve Jobs for his next appearance with his next superball, slinky, and frisbee.

 

[MACRUS]

Shame on Lazy Apple.

All 35mm cameras are "beyond HD" and although I don't know the statistics, I guess that majority of feature films made on this planet, are still made with 35mm film.

Anyway, I think the "news" that are topic of this thread are BS,
but they show the consern of people about the topic.

FCS3 "update" was first time in decade that FCP slipped "pre-NAB every other year" schedule.
And it was so unsignificant, that it looks like it was done only to keep userbase calm.

No FCE upgrade for 4 years.
No DVDSP upgrade for 6 years.
No real upgrade for Color for 3 years. (Where's that support for nvidia, STILL?)

To make me happy, I need something more than Stevo saying "next will be awesome".
(Although it's nice that even he doesn't think the last one was awesome...)

My fear is if I need to abandon FCS, do I also need abandon OsX and also Macs?
Only option is then windows? SCARY!

First of there is not FCS3 . Where do people get the number from? Apple does not call it so.
WOWOW I have been concentrating on FCS as a whole and did not realize about DVDSPro has gone 72 Months without a real update. LOL and there are people on this forums that say " Be patient this stuff takes time" those must be funboys I say.
well I for one have not made the transition 100% yet. I am still using apples hardware. with adobe's software.

 

[soulbot]

Do not forget RED will launch affordable 3k-5k Cameras anytime know.

Check out reduser.net, you'll see that, quite recently, the plan has changed. Scarlet is no longer going to be a mid-level "prosumer" camera. It's gaining new features, and it's retail price has accordingly jumped by $1,000. Body-only version will be $3,750, fixed lens $5,750. I don't think everyone out there would still consider this to be "affordable". Especially when given you've got to outfit the camera properly: lenses, tripod, batteries, view finder, matte box?, hard drives, flash cards, remote?, I/O. Etc. Don't be fooled into thinking it's a $5K camera!

But, price be damned! The whole point is: it's still vaporware. How long ago was this sucker announced? Yeah, you could say, "they'll launch anytime now." And you could have said that a year ago and still have been correct. We might be saying that in a year from now too. If you want to go to work, you can't wait for something that doesn't exist to come to fruition. Sure, I'd love to have one, but in the meantime I have work to do. And I can't work with gear, that for all intents and purposes, is basically imaginary right now.

 

[MACRUS]

Apple Computers Long Gone.

THIS will be the death of Apple COMPUTERS. That someone so incredibly megalomaniacal can think he can foster 2003 optical drive technology on his high-end highest ticket customers, and push back Apple's flagship video editing program because it would HAVE to deal with HD and OBVIOUSLY BD DRIVES and an OS to author, proof, and burn that media for delivery, is no longer enraging, but pathethic. Where would Apple have been today had Jobs insisted that Macs didn't ever need CD/DVD burning capability?

Only Jobs thinks he can kill Blu-ray with crappy compressed downloads, because the infrastructure to deliver enough data for HD will not likely be available for decades given the current economic crisis. Certainly in the US and even more so worldwide.

Not to mention KILLING Apple's established base of pro content creators, the sole demographic that it relies on for its entire cutting edge cachet, and driving them to Premiere.

That's nuts. Over-the-top, sell all the bubble stock quick, put the man out to pasture in the loony bin nuts.

Folks, Apple Computers is over and it's time to move on. Sony's got PC's with integral BD burners, and by now it's obvious Windows will have full Blu-ray implementation long before Apple can clothe Steve Jobs for his next appearance with his next superball, slinky, and frisbee.

They Dropped the name of Apple Computer. they are now Simply Apple.
and as for being dead I doubt that. they are raking in millions with the iToys
No Blue-Ray. well I did not want to way any longer. I had it with the stingy stevo.
I wil take streaming seriously when ISPs do not throttle down my connection after a few movies or when the movie does not stop to re buffer, etc etc. you get the point.

 

[LethalWolfe]

To say grossly misinformed means that I must be from 70 to 90% off. wich would mean that there are only 10,000 Beyond HD capable Cameras in the whole wide world. I find that hard to believe. FYI There are about 9 cameras capable or recording beyond HD.
So why do not you enlighten us by Proving it. but not with saliva but with Facts and I will gladly take it back. Give me the Numbers and links.
and about my other posts. Prove me wrong.

Why don't you take your own advice and backup your claims? There are 50k Red Ones out there? Prove it. There are 100,000 people shooting with 5K digital video cameras? Prove it. Red itself, or some other legit source, says Scarlet and Epic are going to sell into the 100's of thousands of units? Prove it. Scarlet is going to be launched anytime now? Prove it. Oh, that's right, Scarlet was just delayed again so we'll just forget about that one. There are nine beyond HD digital video cameras out in the wild right now? Help me out 'cause I only know of Red One, Alexa, SI-2k and Phantom (Flex, HD Gold, 65 & V640). That's actually more beyond HD digital cameras than I previously thought because I didn't know Phantom had so many variants. Of those though only the Red One and Phantom 65 have 4K sensors.


Lethal

 

[backdraft]

I meant multiple language support with the Cocoa framework using JIT in LLVM/Clang.

Obj C shouldn't be the only language that is supported for creating Mac OS X apps that use the full Cocoa framework.

LLVM supports JIT.

I wonder if you actually know what LLVM and Clang do.

 

[fef714]

Gods I miss the days of Apple Computer.

then you should be set, cuz it seems were still there!!!

 

[fef714]

okay, so listening to all you fancy professionals, this'll sound sad, but I'm still running FCP 5. And honestly, I'm pretty happy with it.

granted before you bite my head off, I don't edit feature length films in 1080p, but I do use it on a daily basis, and I see no issue with it.

I'm (obviously) more of a prosumer then a professional, but still I can always appreciate a boost in speed, but not with the price tag that FCS usually goes for.



And although I can't really afford to upgrade every release, I was planning on getting the next one, but it's articles like this that make me want to wait it out.
(and as I said, with a price like FCS, it's not hard to convince me to wait it out)

 

[PurrBall]

okay, so listening to all you fancy professionals, this'll sound sad, but I'm still running FCP 5. And honestly, I'm pretty happy with it.

granted before you bite my head off, I don't edit feature length films in 1080p, but I do use it on a daily basis, and I see no issue with it.

I'm (obviously) more of a prosumer then a professional, but still I can always appreciate a boost in speed, but not with the price tag that FCS usually goes for.



And although I can't really afford to upgrade every release, I was planning on getting the next one, but it's articles like this that make me want to wait it out.
(and as I said, with a price like FCS, it's not hard to convince me to wait it out)

I'm using FCP 5 as well, and even though we can get awesome education pricing, haven't upgraded because theres absolutely no new features in the later versions that we remotely need.

 

[toke lahti]

First of there is not FCS3 . Where do people get the number from? Apple does not call it so.

If you try, maybe you can understand this: after 1, comes 2. After 2, comes 3.
If Apple is so ashamed of their last FCS release, that they don't even give verion number for it, that's their problem.
But people who discuss about FCS, have to somehow identify different releases.
Surely you can understand this also?

 

[toke lahti]

And although I can't really afford to upgrade every release, I was planning on getting the next one, but it's articles like this that make me want to wait it out.

Many hc professionals upgrade only every second version. Saves time and money (both in technical and pedagogical ways) and troubles between incompatibilities.
Works pretty fine with FCS, when there is so few enhancements and with CS which is upgraded so often.

 

[charlituna]

THIS will be the death of Apple COMPUTERS. That someone so incredibly megalomaniacal can think he can foster 2003 optical drive technology on his high-end highest ticket customers, and push back Apple's flagship video editing program because it would HAVE to deal with HD and OBVIOUSLY BD DRIVES and an OS to author, proof, and burn that media for delivery, is no longer enraging, but pathethic. Where would Apple have been today had Jobs insisted that Macs didn't ever need CD/DVD burning capability?

Wow, someone needs to have his meds checked. Cause there's a lot of anger there and it is impeding his ability to stop and think

1. FCS does deal with HD
2. It's not as if they are blocking the ability to support blu-ray via 3rd party apps. If they were really so anti BR they would go that far
3. The only proof anything has been pushed back is the word of a website with a 0.1 reliability score (on a scale of 1 to 10).
4. Have you even stopped to think about why Apple has not yet released a new 64 bit, native Cocoa etc version of the Suite given that Snow Leopard was released a year ago. Just one logic reason for why they might have waited. I can. Really easy. How about wanting to make sure the OS was stable before a flaw there could bring down the house and stop work that could cost thousands a day.

Only Jobs thinks he can kill Blu-ray with crappy compressed downloads,

We have no idea what Jobs and friends are about to pull out of their collective butts. They could be hard at work on a new codec that will create beautiful blu-ray quality 1080p video with 5.1 audio and only a 50% increate in file sizes. And a new Extras format that will allow exactly the same features that are on the disks, with studios ready to do it (without any higher costs than the current optical pricing)

Not to mention KILLING Apple's established base of pro content creators, the sole demographic that it relies on for its entire cutting edge cachet, and driving them to Premiere.

That's nuts. Over-the-top, sell all the bubble stock quick, put the man out to pasture in the loony bin nuts.

No what is nuts is your hyperbolic the world is doomed talk. There is zero evidence that the major players, the studios, tv shows etc, that use FCS have dropped it because they are dissatisfied that isn't 64 bit, hasn't been updated yet this year etc. Even the Beeb, which is on record adding Premiere, hasn't said they are switching. They could be augmenting and giving folks an option. For all we know, their existing FCS stations outnumber Premiere 5 to 1.

Folks, Apple Computers is over and it's time to move on.

And in three weeks when Apple releases a new FCS that is 64 bit, fully rewritten in Cocoa with all that lovely Open GL that everyone is yelling about, new single interface, support for youtube, itunes connect, imovie extras sdk built into the package, blu-ray playback simulation blah blah. You'll be here cheering about how awesome it is.

 

[RebootD]

Red itself, or some other legit source, says Scarlet and Epic are going to sell into the 100's of thousands of units? Prove it. Scarlet is going to be launched anytime now? Prove it.
Lethal

Well no worries it was just annoucned that Scarlet was a mistake by Red's Jim Jannard, "The concept of RED was to build a camera with as much capability as possible... for the professional market. Then we thought we could extend it down a bit to the prosumer level. Apparently, that was a mistake."

Here is the article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/red-founder-jim-jannard-calls-prosumer-scarlet-a-mistake/

 

[LethalWolfe]

Well no worries it was just annoucned that Scarlet was a mistake by Red's Jim Jannard, "The concept of RED was to build a camera with as much capability as possible... for the professional market. Then we thought we could extend it down a bit to the prosumer level. Apparently, that was a mistake."

Here is the article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/red-founder-jim-jannard-calls-prosumer-scarlet-a-mistake/

Endgadget's assumption of what's going on is born out of ignorance, IMO. They must not follow Red very much because they don't understand the context of Jim Jannard's post. Basically, the idea that is now Scarlet was first publicly talked about by Red as a DSMC (Digital Stills & Motion Camera) and implied that it would be a relatively inexpensive low-end prosumer/high-end consumer priced device. This obviously set off a fervor w/the lo/no budget crowd.

Since that announcement the marketplace has shifted and so has Scarlet. vDSLRs came out and pretty much filled the market space I think Red was originally targeting so Scarlet evolved into a more feature-filled, and expensive camera. The evolution and price creep has caused some people to ask "Hey, what happened to 3K for $3K"? IOM, the recent post by Jannard was him basically putting a dagger once and for all through the original concept they had for Scarlet. There is no drastic change happening to Scarlet merely drastic sounding language making it clear that Scarlet will be a higher end camera than originally planned.


Lethal

 

[RebootD]

I was merely posting an article that happened to pop up that related to your argument (which I was with) against Marcus holding out hopes for a cheap RED system. I also defended him earlier and got blasted for it by him.

Apparently I should go back to being a prick and stop backing up members.

Endgadget's assumption of what's going on is born out of ignorance, IMO. They must not follow Red very much because they don't understand the context of Jim Jannard's post. Basically, the idea that is now Scarlet was first publicly talked about by Red as a DSMC (Digital Stills & Motion Camera) and implied that it would be a relatively inexpensive low-end prosumer/high-end consumer priced device. This obviously set off a fervor w/the lo/no budget crowd.

Since that announcement the marketplace has shifted and so has Scarlet. vDSLRs came out and pretty much filled the market space I think Red was originally targeting so Scarlet evolved into a more feature-filled, and expensive camera. The evolution and price creep has caused some people to ask "Hey, what happened to 3K for $3K"? IOM, the recent post by Jannard was him basically putting a dagger once and for all through the original concept they had for Scarlet. There is no drastic change happening to Scarlet merely drastic sounding language making it clear that Scarlet will be a higher end camera than originally planned.


Lethal

 

[LethalWolfe]

I was merely posting an article that happened to pop up that related to your argument (which I was with) against Marcus holding out hopes for a cheap RED system.

My comments were directed at the article, which I felt misrepresented the situation, not at you personally.


Lethal

 

[xbjllb]

1. FCS does deal with HD

Never said it didn't.

2. It's not as if they are blocking the ability to support blu-ray via 3rd party apps. If they were really so anti BR they would go that far

They CAN'T go that far without tossing the entire line DIRECTLY into the trash. Believe me, Jobs would obviously do it if he could GET AWAY WITH IT.

4. Have you even stopped to think about why Apple has not yet released a new 64 bit, native Cocoa etc version of the Suite given that Snow Leopard was released a year ago. Just one logic reason for why they might have waited. I can. Really easy. How about wanting to make sure the OS was stable before a flaw there could bring down the house and stop work that could cost thousands a day.

Unfortunately, that would be an absolute miracle, given the recent iPhone 4 debacle, which, if anything, proved that quality control and beta-testing at apple is just as horrific as it's ever been, if not worse.

We have no idea what Jobs and friends are about to pull out of their collective butts. They could be hard at work on a new codec that will create beautiful blu-ray quality 1080p video with 5.1 audio and only a 50% increate in file sizes. And a new Extras format that will allow exactly the same features that are on the disks, with studios ready to do it (without any higher costs than the current optical pricing)

I love dreamers, being one myself in my offtime from here. So I won't crap on your absolutely impossible dream.

No what is nuts is your hyperbolic the world is doomed talk. There is zero evidence that the major players, the studios, tv shows etc, that use FCS have dropped it because they are dissatisfied that isn't 64 bit, hasn't been updated yet this year etc. Even the Beeb, which is on record adding Premiere, hasn't said they are switching. They could be augmenting and giving folks an option. For all we know, their existing FCS stations outnumber Premiere 5 to 1.

I never said the world is doomed. I said Apple COMPUTERS is doomed. And what do you need for evidence? Do "the major players" announce when they leave a platform? No. Do they announce, which costs money, when they shift over entire suites to another platform? No. Because it makes them look stupid and incompetent for making the absolute wrong choice in the first place. THIS is why Apple COMPUTERS is doomed.

And they are. It's now way beyond too late for Jobs to add Blu-ray support without looking like a complete idiot.

And in three weeks when Apple releases a new FCS that is 64 bit, fully rewritten in Cocoa with all that lovely Open GL that everyone is yelling about, new single interface, support for youtube, itunes connect, imovie extras sdk built into the package, blu-ray playback simulation blah blah. You'll be here cheering about how awesome it is.

No, I won't. I wouldn't be able to cheer even if Apple popped out the next OS with full BD support and drives in the entire line, BECAUSE IT'S FAR TOO LATE TO BE CUTTING EDGE.

THAT train left the station a very long time ago. And you are woefully ignorant over just how many video and audio for video houses have already left Apple for good.

Hey, I used to BE you. I had an Amiga until the bitter end. Even edited video with it. Boy was I stubborn.

And was I ever the fanboi when I first switched over to Apple.

But now I can sense when a corporation commits suicide.

 

[MACRUS]

Lol

If you try, maybe you can understand this: after 1, comes 2. After 2, comes 3.
If Apple is so ashamed of their last FCS release, that they don't even give verion number for it, that's their problem.
But people who discuss about FCS, have to somehow identify different releases.
Surely you can understand this also?

Than call it by the name the creator gave it. FYI it is Final Cut Studio. do not make stuff up. if you want to make stuff up write a movie.

 

[MACRUS]

Scarlet Will be CHEAP

Endgadget's assumption of what's going on is born out of ignorance, IMO. They must not follow Red very much because they don't understand the context of Jim Jannard's post. Basically, the idea that is now Scarlet was first publicly talked about by Red as a DSMC (Digital Stills & Motion Camera) and implied that it would be a relatively inexpensive low-end prosumer/high-end consumer priced device. This obviously set off a fervor w/the lo/no budget crowd.

Since that announcement the marketplace has shifted and so has Scarlet. vDSLRs came out and pretty much filled the market space I think Red was originally targeting so Scarlet evolved into a more feature-filled, and expensive camera. The evolution and price creep has caused some people to ask "Hey, what happened to 3K for $3K"? IOM, the recent post by Jannard was him basically putting a dagger once and for all through the original concept they had for Scarlet. There is no drastic change happening to Scarlet merely drastic sounding language making it clear that Scarlet will be a higher end camera than originally planned.


Lethal

You will not Find anything nowhere near a scarlet/Epic for les then 50k. is it not the Phantom 150k?. these cameras will be revolutionary for their price and features. in fact it would be the best mistake ever happened to the industry. Scarlet has always been a high end camera but at a presumer's price point. that camera should be selling for a lot more. the thing is, the more you are offered at a lowest price the more you want. I can almost bet that if jim would have said everything he said except the price (instead said Affordable) and announce the prices before shipping. starting at 20k they would still sell a bunch.

 

[MACRUS]

3k-5k Resolution not $

Check out reduser.net, you'll see that, quite recently, the plan has changed. Scarlet is no longer going to be a mid-level "prosumer" camera. It's gaining new features, and it's retail price has accordingly jumped by $1,000. Body-only version will be $3,750, fixed lens $5,750. I don't think everyone out there would still consider this to be "affordable". Especially when given you've got to outfit the camera properly: lenses, tripod, batteries, view finder, matte box?, hard drives, flash cards, remote?, I/O. Etc. Don't be fooled into thinking it's a $5K camera!

But, price be damned! The whole point is: it's still vaporware. How long ago was this sucker announced? Yeah, you could say, "they'll launch anytime now." And you could have said that a year ago and still have been correct. We might be saying that in a year from now too. If you want to go to work, you can't wait for something that doesn't exist to come to fruition. Sure, I'd love to have one, but in the meantime I have work to do. And I can't work with gear, that for all intents and purposes, is basically imaginary right now.

Sorry I should have been more clear. I meant 3k-5k Resolution wise not Price wise.

 

[MACRUS]

in 3 Weeks?... What are you smoking?

Wow, someone needs to have his meds checked. Cause there's a lot of anger there and it is impeding his ability to stop and think

1. FCS does deal with HD
2. It's not as if they are blocking the ability to support blu-ray via 3rd party apps. If they were really so anti BR they would go that far
3. The only proof anything has been pushed back is the word of a website with a 0.1 reliability score (on a scale of 1 to 10).
4. Have you even stopped to think about why Apple has not yet released a new 64 bit, native Cocoa etc version of the Suite given that Snow Leopard was released a year ago. Just one logic reason for why they might have waited. I can. Really easy. How about wanting to make sure the OS was stable before a flaw there could bring down the house and stop work that could cost thousands a day.



We have no idea what Jobs and friends are about to pull out of their collective butts. They could be hard at work on a new codec that will create beautiful blu-ray quality 1080p video with 5.1 audio and only a 50% increate in file sizes. And a new Extras format that will allow exactly the same features that are on the disks, with studios ready to do it (without any higher costs than the current optical pricing)



No what is nuts is your hyperbolic the world is doomed talk. There is zero evidence that the major players, the studios, tv shows etc, that use FCS have dropped it because they are dissatisfied that isn't 64 bit, hasn't been updated yet this year etc. Even the Beeb, which is on record adding Premiere, hasn't said they are switching. They could be augmenting and giving folks an option. For all we know, their existing FCS stations outnumber Premiere 5 to 1.



And in three weeks when Apple releases a new FCS that is 64 bit, fully rewritten in Cocoa with all that lovely Open GL that everyone is yelling about, new single interface, support for youtube, itunes connect, imovie extras sdk built into the package, blu-ray playback simulation blah blah. You'll be here cheering about how awesome it is.

either you have inside info or whatever you are smoking is way too strong and you should stop using it. anyways that is highly unlikely based on the current trend apple is following. I should call you a lier in 3 weeks.

 

[xbjllb]

either you have inside info or whatever you are smoking is way too strong and you should stop using it. anyways that is highly unlikely based on the current trend apple is following. I should call you a lier in 3 weeks.

Plus he forgot to put in that it will work on the iPhone and iPad and you'll be able to edit video in the unemployment and soup lines.

Blu-ray simulation, IN FCS.... sheesh. That DOES sound like Jobs would send his software engineers down the rabbit hole for that one just to avoid putting drives and OS support in the things. With a half a year delay at least. And then the shills will cry "All you have to do is import your Blu-ray into FCS to watch it!" What an elegant solution.

Nah, by now it's obvious from all the shill postings on here that his suicide plan is to try and wait Blu-ray out and NEVER put support in the OS nor drives in the computers.

Except for the eight year old technology "SUPER" STEVE DRIVE, optical is dead.

Long live torrents, pirates, and thieves.

 

[MACRUS]

Stevo Jobs... The Stubborn

Plus he forgot to put in that it will work on the iPhone and iPad and you'll be able to edit video in the unemployment and soup lines.

Blu-ray simulation, IN FCS.... sheesh. That DOES sound like Jobs would send his software engineers down the rabbit hole for that one just to avoid putting drives and OS support in the things. With a half a year delay at least. And then the shills will cry "All you have to do is import your Blu-ray into FCS to watch it!" What an elegant solution.

Nah, by now it's obvious from all the shill postings on here that his suicide plan is to try and wait Blu-ray out and NEVER put support in the OS nor drives in the computers.

Except for the eight year old technology "SUPER" STEVE DRIVE, optical is dead.

Long live torrents, pirates, and thieves.

Stevo Jobs is one of the most stubborn man alive (half alive I should say). I remember waiting for along time before he would support Dual Layer Recorders. and I see History repeating itself with Blue-Ray. but this time he has been giving us hits as to his real intentions. No Support whatsoever for blue-ray. instead push download or streaming services. But I got to say. I will have no problem with that when ISPs Stop throttling down my connection after a few downloads, when the speed is good enough for the movie to play without stopping. etc. I think I have said this before. so you get the point.
although I could be wrong and they are working on it trying to get their way with sony and the Blue-Ray Association of wich they are part. Ironically enough. by not paying the royalties just because Apple is a Member of such group. nevertheless the facts speak for themselves apple is the autistic child that got bored with the old toys and decided to got new ones. 72 Months and nothing significant, just placeboes, Lame Placeboes. are the evidence
Just Curious. What pirates and the rest have to do with the subject?