michaelrjohnson said:
Apple could use the slogan "Hell Froze Over (Again)!"
the reason why Apple still uses the one button mouse is because SJ himself thought about the one-button mouse years ago...
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Apple could use the slogan "Hell Froze Over (Again)!"
the reason why Apple still uses the one button mouse is because SJ himself thought about the one-button mouse years ago...
redAPPLE said:Apple could use the slogan "Hell Froze Over (Again)!"
the reason why Apple still uses the one button mouse is because SJ himself thought about the one-button mouse years ago...
change is good.
I'm with markjones05 on this one.
Apple isn't a philantropic organisation. They're out there to make money, not friends. If they can squeeze say 10 extra bucks out of a pro user (who would prolly fork out upwards of $20 on a new mouse anyways) for a 2 button mouse, that's a little extra cash in the end. And it's not like Apple needs third party mouse-makers, as they need Adobe for software.
I honestly think they should start selling them, and making pro (and some not so pro) users happy. It would give switchers one more reason to switch: "hey, they have "real" mice now ".
Changing your mind is an intergral and important part of "thinking different".
Apple isn't a philantropic organisation. They're out there to make money, not friends. If they can squeeze say 10 extra bucks out of a pro user (who would prolly fork out upwards of $20 on a new mouse anyways) for a 2 button mouse, that's a little extra cash in the end. And it's not like Apple needs third party mouse-makers, as they need Adobe for software.
I honestly think they should start selling them, and making pro (and some not so pro) users happy. It would give switchers one more reason to switch: "hey, they have "real" mice now
".Changing your mind is an intergral and important part of "thinking different".
redAPPLE said:
Hmm. I wonder if Jobs uses a one button mouse.
A two-buttoned mouse is more geared toward pro-users than you [all, not directly "you"] obviously realize. I work with tons of computer illiterate people (not kids, but adults!) -- people who don't even realize what a double click is. People who I must remind to left click when I say just click. People who don't know what a contextual menu is, nevermind use them with any regularity.
Either way, a single button mouse definitely looks prettier than that ugly two-buttoned monster. Personally, I go for functionality over aesthetics. However, working at an Apple reseller, I've had customers insist (much to my surprise) on purchasing the Apple Pro Mouse because it matches the computer. Their only concern: aesthetics!
Perhaps an option would be to package a new two-button mouse with the prosumer computers (towers, powerbooks) and the single-button mouse with the consumer machines.
1macker1 said:
A one button mouse is still simpler, and for most computer users quite adequate. Quit assuming that your way of using a computer is the most prevalent and you may just understand why Apple doesn't just build high end machines for power users. They target the WHOLE RANGE. The simplest solution is to offer a one button mouse that does all the necessary functions. A multi button mouse is not necessary. It may be useful and nice to have but you don't NEED it. If you want it you buy one. There are plenty available in all sorts of styles. I gaurantee you Apple has looked at the market, looked at what they could produce and decided it wasn't worth investing the time and possibly alienating 3rd party developers. Yes Apple could probably make some money and they are a buisness, but they have to think long term, not just immediate results.
markjones05 said:
Ditto.
Choice is good and would make everybody happy.
Single button mouse as default (so not to confuse newbies) and multiple function mouse as a choice.
I use a Logitech mouse and its ok. If for the same price I could have gotten a Apple mouse that matches my comp, I'd be happier. This wouldn't necessaraly kill third parties either; Apple could design the mouse but subcontract its manufacturing...
Krizoitz said:
Oh really, do you work for Apple? Or are you just another zealot who bends over and waits for whatever Apple decides to give them.
markjones05 said:
end of story? that's kinda funny. you know that it doesn't work don't you? you can't just say that. not everyone thinks the stories over. that's just weird. it's like having a conversation with someone then saying, "end of conversation." and then walking away... and that's just weird. only crazy people do that; only crazy people hum too. do you hum?
peace.
neut said:end of story? that's kinda funny. you know that it doesn't work don't you? you can't just say that. not everyone thinks the stories over. that's just weird. it's like having a conversation with someone then saying, "end of conversation." and then walking away... and that's just weird. only crazy people do that; only crazy people hum too. do you hum?
peace.
...and the award for most irrelevant post goes to...
markjones05 said:
oh, i'm not prepared. i don't have a speech ready... i didn't even realize i was nominated.
****
after using an MX500 it's hard to do without all those damn buttons. i love the apple pro design, but i'm hooked to the programability of multi-button mice. i used the one button for years... but this damn MX has spoiled me.
maybe apple should co-design with Logitech a special MX apples series... thad be sweet.
peace.
markjones05 said:
No, but I do get sick and tired of people complaining just because Apple doesn't do everything they want. Sick of all the people who have absolutely NO knowledge of buisness and the computer inudstry yet claim that they know better than Steve Jobs and co. Constructive criticism is good, but this mouse issue is like beating a dead horses allready beaten carcass. But what I get sick of the most is people who only think people have thought things out and come to informed opinions if its the one they want them to. Just because I agree that Apple doesn't need to make a multi-button mouse doesn't mean I haven't thought the issue through. It just so happens that I think they are right. So get off your high horse and don't act like I'm somehow wrong just because I don't agree with you.
Krizoitz said:
I am not on a high horse. And no, I dont know much about business, nor did I know you needed a degree in business to post on these forums without getting reemed. Your opinion is fine with me. Excuse me for posting another side to the story. Ill gladly erase all my posts now and just go with what you believe. Never again will I want something more from the computer company I spend thousands of dollars towards. I never claimed to know better than good ole stevey. You're right, I must be stupid to think that a pro mouse should come with a pro computer...God what was I thinking! If your sick of the thread, dont read it.
markjones05 said:
I wasn't sick of the thread, I was sick of your response to my comments and what they implied. I am all about disagreeing with people on a civil level but you refused to do that. Rather than offering a well reasoned argument as to why a multi-button mouse might be better and why Apple should do it that countered my arguments against, you merely refered to me as "bending over" to "take what Apple gives me".
You want to disagree, fine, but do so without resorting to personal attacks next time.
Krizoitz said:
I do apoligize if I offended you with that remark. But I dont understand why you have such a serious problem with me wanting something more from apple instead of just taking what they give me. I can't stand mac zealots who will fight to the death defending Apple no matter how stupid it is.
markjones05 said:
That's just silly, to say that. At least they're passionate about something. I'll completely defend the one button mouse. For Apple to deny the one button mouse would be like taking away the Apple logo, or changing it by filling the bite or something.
An improvement, like providing a optional two button scrolling mouse, much like the single button bluetooth mouse is an option, would be more than accepted. It would maintain the tradition, the trademark of the single button, while moving ahead with the times --- much like how the multi color Apple logo was replaced with the solid color, moving ahead with the times.
jenniff said:
I never said to get rid of the one button mouse. I said there should be a pro mouse for the pro machines. What IS silly, is being passionate about about not wanting to change things for the better.
markjones05 said:
See, it may be only "for the better" to you. To some people (not me), as hard as it may be for you to believe, a one button mouse is all that they can handle. Too, it's all they need to use. I can't imagine not right clicking, but there are people who don't even know what the right mouse button could ever possibly be used for.
I do agree with you, though, that there should be a pro two button mouse for pro machines, and the simple one button mouse for consumer machines.
jenniff said:
Exactly, so why do some people think that it is alright to only cater to n00bs? Only Apple makes a one button mouse. Wich means that every other PC user knows how to use a two button mouse no matter how new they are to computers. Why is this concept hard to understand for some of these posters?
markjones05 said:
Well, perhaps it's a variety of factors:
1. One button mouse more attractive than two. Them scroll wheels are ugly!
2. One button mouse weilds greater draw on simplicity than the two button mouse with PC. One (n00b) who may be torn between the two may see the one button, and other simplistic features, and be swayed toward Apple.
3. One button lets Apple be different. I think this is a silly reason though, and I tire of it.
4. People are ornery and stubborn and hate change. Heck, I hated when Apple changed the 3G iPod with the buttons running horizontally below the screen rather than around the wheel. I whined and moaned, and went and bought one.
This fourth reason I find most comical of all, since Apple is supposed to be the company to "Think Different"... you'd think this would work introspectively as well, rather than just a constant battle to be different from the PC market. I think Apple's made their point and should move on.
That one button wireless mouse killed me. Most people who will want a wireless mouse are going to want a scroll and second button. Rawr. Plus, the near-zero support for Mac with other Bluetooth mice positively kills. Apple should step up to the plate for this one.
I think whatever mouse a person first starts off with, is the one he/she will be most comfortable with. BTW, that's one nice looking mouse.
markjones05 said:
Apple does it different because they have a different approach to computers. I know tons of PC users who never use the right click, they aren't even sure what it does, or when iit does pop up the contextual menu its not useful to them.
The reason Apple only puts out a one button mouse, is because they have no market reason to put out a multi-button one. The market right now is saturated with multi-button mice/trackballs of every shape and size. Apple probably feels it would be a waste of money and resources to make something that they don't need to. Plus it gives 3-rd parties a great opportunity.
Krizoitz said:
I disagree that there is no market. Anyone who uses FC or Apple's other Pro apps (or anyone on this board for that matter) is going to appreciate the right click. There's a huge market out there. I was actually surprised that the PBs didn't come with two buttons by the touchpad. The Ctrl-Click drives me insane on those.
It wouldn't be a waste of money, especially with regard to Bluetooth mice. I haven't seen a single Bluetooth mouse advertise Mac compatibility (it may work on a Mac, but it doesn't advertise as such). Apple not stepping up and producing is leaving these customers in the lurch!
I had a customer just yesterday writhe in frustration (figuratively) because we didn't have any Mac Bluetooth two-button scrollwheel mice. He went home empty-handed, because he didn't want the Logitech MX900 that doesn't advertise Mac compatibility, nor did he want the Apple one-button.
well coming from the pc world i can't imagine how the computer world would be without at least 2 buttons and a scrollwheel
what about an 'option' when you buy your mac so you can decide which mouse you want a classic one button mouse or a 'pro mouse' with 2 buttons/scrollwhell that would be perfect
for myself i am using my microsoft intellimouse explorer since 2001 i think ... huge (its like moving a truck around the table) but works perfectly, button 4+5 are 'forward and 'back' in the browser can't imagine surfing the web without that ..extremly comfortable and huge advantage for games
PS: just saw that my mouse is supported by macos x ... makes me happy to see i can use my microsoft mouse on my future mac ;-) (windows might be a bad operating system but the mice are really good)
what about an 'option' when you buy your mac so you can decide which mouse you want a classic one button mouse or a 'pro mouse' with 2 buttons/scrollwhell that would be perfect
for myself i am using my microsoft intellimouse explorer since 2001 i think ... huge (its like moving a truck around the table) but works perfectly, button 4+5 are 'forward and 'back' in the browser can't imagine surfing the web without that ..extremly comfortable and huge advantage for games
PS: just saw that my mouse is supported by macos x ... makes me happy to see i can use my microsoft mouse on my future mac ;-) (windows might be a bad operating system but the mice are really good)
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