themadchemist said:
It's going to in "late summer 2004". That's when I'm getting mine. It is a nice replica of the pro mouse, isn't it?
It sounds like you've tested it out, whre did you? Thanks for the info.
Best wishes,
JOD8FY
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It's going to in "late summer 2004". That's when I'm getting mine. It is a nice replica of the pro mouse, isn't it?
It sounds like you've tested it out, whre did you? Thanks for the info.
Best wishes,
JOD8FY
I love two button mice, however I am willing to give Apple's one button mouse a try with my new PM when it comes... My middle finger does have a nasty habit of moving unwantedly and accidentley hitting the right button and that is SO ANNOYING! 
if you want a bluetooth mouse with scroll wheel and two buttons to match a pb or g5 that's already available then try...
http://www.macally.com/new/new_btmouse.html
http://www.btboutique.com/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=28&reviews_id=2
and it's $20 cheaper than the AlMouse BT...!
http://www.macally.com/new/new_btmouse.html
http://www.btboutique.com/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=28&reviews_id=2
and it's $20 cheaper than the AlMouse BT...!
No problems with scrollwheels
I work about 12 hours a day (3 years now) with a MS InteliMouse Explorer scrollwheel mouse - no problems so far...
All this discussion leads me to three conclusions:
1) Apple periferial hardware engineers or managers are living in the past
2) There are some restrictions imposed on Apple by some deals
3) Something is wrong with S. Jobs worldview...
I will never use 1-button mouse. Period.
Santiago said:
I work about 12 hours a day (3 years now) with a MS InteliMouse Explorer scrollwheel mouse - no problems so far...
All this discussion leads me to three conclusions:
1) Apple periferial hardware engineers or managers are living in the past
2) There are some restrictions imposed on Apple by some deals
3) Something is wrong with S. Jobs worldview...
I will never use 1-button mouse. Period.
dukemeiser said:
Look! If apple wanted simplicity the wrong way to do it is to do a single button mouse and then substitute the second mousebutton with CTRL. If you argue that it's easier to use both mouse and keyboard and that this is better usability... Well you are wrong!
If you don't need a second mouse button the you obviously don't need CTRL on your keyboard or contextual menus!
Apple is stupid and ignorant. Multibutton mice increase usability and I don't know a single professional who is happy with the one button mouse. Btw. How many "beginners" buy a 2.5G Powermac? Apple, please give at least the professionals some credit!
I just bought a Logitech MX510 and absolutely love the scrollwheel, 8 programmable buttons and superior optics!
For what it's worth, I'm a potential switcher who's only reason for not purchasing a PowerBook is the one button mouse...
IMO, the one button mouse appears archaic to seasoned PC users considering switching to the Mac. I'm sure to veteran Mac users the practice of using the keyboard in conjunction with the single mouse button is second nature, but most PC users by now have been weaned on the dual-button mouse with a scroll wheel of some sort and anything less appears inferior.
I agree that with the desktop Macs, its not an issue since you can easily purchase your mouse of choice. In my case that would be a cordless trackball with two buttons and scroll wheel.
IMO, the one button mouse appears archaic to seasoned PC users considering switching to the Mac. I'm sure to veteran Mac users the practice of using the keyboard in conjunction with the single mouse button is second nature, but most PC users by now have been weaned on the dual-button mouse with a scroll wheel of some sort and anything less appears inferior.
I agree that with the desktop Macs, its not an issue since you can easily purchase your mouse of choice. In my case that would be a cordless trackball with two buttons and scroll wheel.
Zargot said:For what it's worth, I'm a potential switcher who's only reason for not purchasing a PowerBook is the one button mouse...
IMO, the one button mouse appears archaic to seasoned PC users considering switching to the Mac. I'm sure to veteran Mac users the practice of using the keyboard in conjunction with the single mouse button is second nature, but most PC users by now have been weaned on the dual-button mouse with a scroll wheel of some sort and anything less appears inferior.
I agree that with the desktop Macs, its not an issue since you can easily purchase your mouse of choice. In my case that would be a cordless trackball with two buttons and scroll wheel.
I understand what you mean, but then you'll be missing out a great notebook. For PB the lack of two button pad is less of an issue since the control for many users is not that much of a stretch.
Chip NoVaMac said:
the only time i actually use the button on my PB17 is when i don't have a mouse and am logging in... other than that my MX500 is always with me. me thinks it's time to go BT though.
peace.
neut said:the only time i actually use the button on my PB17 is when i don't have a mouse and am logging in... other than that my MX500 is always with me. me thinks it's time to go BT though.
peace.
But Zargot was making an issue that the pad has only one button, and seems unlikely to want a mouse for a laptop...
dukemeiser said:
Simplicity, confusing, to who
. My 4 yr old has been using my old peecee with a three button mouse for awhile. I think it's just being simple minded . Steve, wake up and smell the expresso. Most Apple users want a three button mouse. itsekuri said:
How true those words are. And I too have that mouse. Awsome.
While reading this about mice and touchpads, I had a cool idea:
We've replaced all moving parts except the scroll wheel by using optical, so why not go total no-moving-parts by using somethink like the scroll section on some laptop's touchpads. Just put a small bit of touchpad on where the scroll wheel is and there you go. Then you could have a mouse that looked like it was all one piece even if it was two button.
We've replaced all moving parts except the scroll wheel by using optical, so why not go total no-moving-parts by using somethink like the scroll section on some laptop's touchpads. Just put a small bit of touchpad on where the scroll wheel is and there you go. Then you could have a mouse that looked like it was all one piece even if it was two button.
Unfortuately, while reading this thread backwards, I found my idea was taken:
http://www.kensington.com/html/3989.html
Oh well, I'll get rich off something.........
http://www.kensington.com/html/3989.html
Oh well, I'll get rich off something.........
jknight8907 said:Unfortuately, while reading this thread backwards, I found my idea was taken:
http://www.kensington.com/html/3989.html
Oh well, I'll get rich off something.........
you can designa BT version!
westy said:
Thanks professor. Explain it to me like I was 5 years old. That shouldnt be too hard for a man of your infinate wisdom to do....right?
markjones05 said:
never claimed to be a professor, was just giving a dumbass like you some advice before running your mouth acting like a smartass
next time you try to insult me, type it in word and spell check it first, maybe then you would at least not sound like a moron
I will tell you this a lot of PC users dont know how to use the 2nd mouse button. My mom never uses it. My grandad is clueless to what it does and when I help him on his computer I try to find the wrap around that does not use that button because it a bit more complex. But something that they do know how to use and they use a lot is the scroll wheel. What I think apple really needs to do is make a 1 button mouse with a scroll wheel because that keeps the simplicty of the 1 button design and the funtionallity of the scroll wheel.
2nd mouse button and beyond on both PC and Macs are for more or less the more powerful users. On my personal computer I use a 5 button Memorex mouse (best mouse I have found for 20 bucks). I personly could not funtion with out at least a 3 button mouse because I relay on the 2nd click so much on my PC. I pull up those menus and selcted my opition with out really reading them (basicly the 2 clicks happen at almost the same time). As for the 5 button it a bet more confusing for most people at first getting used it and my 5 button is a bet diffent than a lot of other 5 buttons. Next time you are in compUSA look at the Memorex mouse and you will see how it diffenet than others.
For Mac laptops they could drop that big button all together and it would not matter to me as long as there is that pad there. On my Gateway laptop it has the touchpad and then 2 buttons and this scrolling thing on it for going upand down. Um yeah I may every once in a while hit the 2nd "mouse" button on it to bring up that speacil menu but it a lot more trouble than it worth. As for the other 2 I never use them. The touch pad does it all for me. Tapping = clicking and then the right and button edge of it can funition like a scroll wheel and I have a feeling you can set that up on the mac PB (I dont know for sure since I dont have one). Now when I need to get a lot more work done on the laptop I plug in a real mouse into it because well a touchpad just sucks compared to a real mouse. In a few years I plan on buying my first mac and it will be a PB. I proublely where never use the "mouse" button on it unless I am doing a control click with it. when I need to do some more major work I will plug in a Real mouse into the USB slot (and proublely a real keyboard or at least a numberpad).
Just my 2 cents.
Sum it all up I think apple may need to make a 1 button mouse with a scroll wheel to replace there current 1 button mouse since practily everyone knows how to use a scroll wheel even those competely COmputer inepted know how to use them. For the power users I figure you all can buy your own mouse since there is no PC manfuctor that gives 5 button mouse with there computers so even the heavy end PC people go out and buy there own mice (Custom builders buy every piece of there computers) Besides buying your own mouse is a lot cheaper than paying apple overprice premium on there mice.
2nd mouse button and beyond on both PC and Macs are for more or less the more powerful users. On my personal computer I use a 5 button Memorex mouse (best mouse I have found for 20 bucks). I personly could not funtion with out at least a 3 button mouse because I relay on the 2nd click so much on my PC. I pull up those menus and selcted my opition with out really reading them (basicly the 2 clicks happen at almost the same time). As for the 5 button it a bet more confusing for most people at first getting used it and my 5 button is a bet diffent than a lot of other 5 buttons. Next time you are in compUSA look at the Memorex mouse and you will see how it diffenet than others.
For Mac laptops they could drop that big button all together and it would not matter to me as long as there is that pad there. On my Gateway laptop it has the touchpad and then 2 buttons and this scrolling thing on it for going upand down. Um yeah I may every once in a while hit the 2nd "mouse" button on it to bring up that speacil menu but it a lot more trouble than it worth. As for the other 2 I never use them. The touch pad does it all for me. Tapping = clicking and then the right and button edge of it can funition like a scroll wheel and I have a feeling you can set that up on the mac PB (I dont know for sure since I dont have one). Now when I need to get a lot more work done on the laptop I plug in a real mouse into it because well a touchpad just sucks compared to a real mouse. In a few years I plan on buying my first mac and it will be a PB. I proublely where never use the "mouse" button on it unless I am doing a control click with it. when I need to do some more major work I will plug in a Real mouse into the USB slot (and proublely a real keyboard or at least a numberpad).
Just my 2 cents.
Sum it all up I think apple may need to make a 1 button mouse with a scroll wheel to replace there current 1 button mouse since practily everyone knows how to use a scroll wheel even those competely COmputer inepted know how to use them. For the power users I figure you all can buy your own mouse since there is no PC manfuctor that gives 5 button mouse with there computers so even the heavy end PC people go out and buy there own mice (Custom builders buy every piece of there computers) Besides buying your own mouse is a lot cheaper than paying apple overprice premium on there mice.
westy said:
#1. No advise on your behalf was given...
#2. I dont spellcheck or give much thought to punctuation when responding to posts such as yours.
#3. My advise to you would be to stop running your mouth on these forums. Obviously a n00b like you does not know that people around here usually dont take kindly to directly insulting other members.
I'm a two button + wheel mouse advocate. I feel that especially these days more and more peecee users are considering switching to mac os x, especially the linux geek kind of guys. But many of them feel the one button mouse is a stupid idea and they're right.
OK, I understand the argument that a 1 button mouse might be easier to understand than a two or three button mouse. But there are far less first time computer users (=people who have to learn to deal with a mouse for the first time in their lives) than there are people who consider apple but don't do it because the 1 button mouse is stupid.
The first timers are more likely to start out with a peecee anyway. Apple should not cater to the first timers, so '1 button is easy' is a non-argument.
Besides, as most of us agree, two or three buttons aren't that diffucult. Even a first timer will see the benefits as soon as they 'get it in their fingers'.
Also, what many people say, that there won't be a 2/3 button mouse as long as Jobs is running the company, is bull****. At NeXT he produced computers with two button mice!!!!
OK, I understand the argument that a 1 button mouse might be easier to understand than a two or three button mouse. But there are far less first time computer users (=people who have to learn to deal with a mouse for the first time in their lives) than there are people who consider apple but don't do it because the 1 button mouse is stupid.
The first timers are more likely to start out with a peecee anyway. Apple should not cater to the first timers, so '1 button is easy' is a non-argument.
Besides, as most of us agree, two or three buttons aren't that diffucult. Even a first timer will see the benefits as soon as they 'get it in their fingers'.
Also, what many people say, that there won't be a 2/3 button mouse as long as Jobs is running the company, is bull****. At NeXT he produced computers with two button mice!!!!
markjones05 said:
I just thought you didn't know how to spell, but I guess you don't know how to read either. My advice, not advise genius, to you was for you to take an economy class so you understand what you were arguing about with the people on the first page. Remember? That's what got you all worked up in the first place. Now quit before you embarass yourself some more. In fact, don't even speak to me because it is degrading that I'm actually speaking to someone with your intelligence.
westy said:
Haha youre the one who is getting worked up. And once again, you gave no advice what so ever. I usually like to keep my posts narrowed to more productive topics and comments, so I would like to apoligize at this time to everyone who reads this thread. I never should have even responded to such a wasteful and pointless post by westy. Anyway westy if youre insistant on having the last word, feel free to private message me that way I can ignore you and everyone else can as well.
I personally wish that Apple would come out with a Pro mouse that had two buttons and a scroll function. I currently use a Microsoft mouse and it pains me to have to attach a product from the dark side to my beautiful PowerBook, particularly as it doesnt even match.
I simply cannot understand the reluctance of Apple to do this. The argument that appears regularly is that using a one-buttoned mouse is simpler, more intuitive etc. and most people get confused with a two-buttoned mouse, to which I have two points to make:
1. Why does Apple hide additional menus behind a CTRL-Click function when apparently the aesthetic ideal is for one-click functionality? iPhoto is a good example.
2. How come the PC world has operated perfectly adequately with two-button mice for years?
In my opinion if you are going to bundle menus that can only be accessed by CTRL-clicking it has to be more intuitive or at least a no-brainer attractive facility - to have an additional button on your mouse able to perform the same function. The widespread usage of two-button mice in the PC world is evidence enough surely that the great unwashed can handle such a radical idea.
For sure continue to market a one-button mouse. For certain users it will always be a preferred choice and for teaching young children for example it is an ideal introduction, prior to moving up to a pro option.
Finally it would be great if the scrolling function were something other than a wheel. The iPod interface appears ideal, if it could be integrated into a mouse.
Bottom line, I have no problem with people who prefer a one-buttoned mouse. I DO have a problem in having no choice in the matter, except to go 3rd party.
Vanilla
I simply cannot understand the reluctance of Apple to do this. The argument that appears regularly is that using a one-buttoned mouse is simpler, more intuitive etc. and most people get confused with a two-buttoned mouse, to which I have two points to make:
1. Why does Apple hide additional menus behind a CTRL-Click function when apparently the aesthetic ideal is for one-click functionality? iPhoto is a good example.
2. How come the PC world has operated perfectly adequately with two-button mice for years?
In my opinion if you are going to bundle menus that can only be accessed by CTRL-clicking it has to be more intuitive or at least a no-brainer attractive facility - to have an additional button on your mouse able to perform the same function. The widespread usage of two-button mice in the PC world is evidence enough surely that the great unwashed can handle such a radical idea.
For sure continue to market a one-button mouse. For certain users it will always be a preferred choice and for teaching young children for example it is an ideal introduction, prior to moving up to a pro option.
Finally it would be great if the scrolling function were something other than a wheel. The iPod interface appears ideal, if it could be integrated into a mouse.
Bottom line, I have no problem with people who prefer a one-buttoned mouse. I DO have a problem in having no choice in the matter, except to go 3rd party.
Vanilla
Funny...
...discussion this and surprising how worked up some people get over such a minor issue. Well just thought I'd give my view on the one/two/many-buttons debate. I switched from the Windows-world less than three years ago (after 16 years with MS-OS'es). I still use windows at work with a two-button mouse naturally.
I have absolutely NO problem using a one button-mouse and it in no way hampers my productivity. When I use "power-applications" (FCP and Photoshop mainly) I always use a lot of keyboard shortcuts anyway so one hand is always on the keyboard. Personally I therefore feel more comfortable with the ctrl+click than the right-mouse-button-click.
Oh and in our office I would say that at least 50% of the people working here never right-clicks, unless they by accident happens to hit the right button. They use their windows-PC's for very specific purposes and have no interest in computing as such.
...discussion this and surprising how worked up some people get over such a minor issue. Well just thought I'd give my view on the one/two/many-buttons debate. I switched from the Windows-world less than three years ago (after 16 years with MS-OS'es). I still use windows at work with a two-button mouse naturally.
I have absolutely NO problem using a one button-mouse and it in no way hampers my productivity. When I use "power-applications" (FCP and Photoshop mainly) I always use a lot of keyboard shortcuts anyway so one hand is always on the keyboard. Personally I therefore feel more comfortable with the ctrl+click than the right-mouse-button-click.
Oh and in our office I would say that at least 50% of the people working here never right-clicks, unless they by accident happens to hit the right button. They use their windows-PC's for very specific purposes and have no interest in computing as such.
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