markjones05 said:
that almost makes me want to switch from my logitech trackball with 4 buttons and scroll. almost...
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that almost makes me want to switch from my logitech trackball with 4 buttons and scroll. almost...
I hate the two button mouse we use on each PC at school. Using a mac for 15+ years makes the whole concept of "left or right clicking" completely foreign. I haven't been in an elementary school setting, but I would imagine that to someone who is still struggling with left and right, the one button mouse makes considerably more sense.
On my iBook/iMac, I use a combination of the arrow keys and a Griffin Powermate to scroll - I think it's less taxing than a scroll wheel on your hand. It's actually kinda fun to have my right index finger on the track pad and my left hand on the Griffin.
To each his own. Use what works for you and quit complaining!
On my iBook/iMac, I use a combination of the arrow keys and a Griffin Powermate to scroll - I think it's less taxing than a scroll wheel on your hand. It's actually kinda fun to have my right index finger on the track pad and my left hand on the Griffin.
To each his own. Use what works for you and quit complaining!
Apple ships its computers with a one button mouse because they don't want lazy developers to start relying on two-button technology. One of the most irritating things about Windows is the fact that so much of its functionality relies on the second mouse button. The beauty of the Mac is its visual interface. There is no way to indicate visually that right-clicking on an icon does one thing and left-clicking does something else. So relying on two-button functionality makes software less intuitive.
This is not to say that two button *shortcuts* are not very valuable to advanced users, just that learning a new application is difficult if there are hidden features. Any feature enabled by right-clicking is inherently hidden, and so it is inherently unintuitive. If Apples shipped with two button mice, then much of their ease of use would quickly disappear.
This is not to say that two button *shortcuts* are not very valuable to advanced users, just that learning a new application is difficult if there are hidden features. Any feature enabled by right-clicking is inherently hidden, and so it is inherently unintuitive. If Apples shipped with two button mice, then much of their ease of use would quickly disappear.
My opinions.
http://www.kensington.com/html/3989.html
The best multi button Mac look mouse
(in my opinion of course)
Uses apples technology for a scroll touch pad etc.
Not bluetooth but RF wireless. Rechargeable batteries.
Anyway my opinion on why apple doesn't have a two or three button mouse is because they don't want to admit they are WRONG! Face it, more macs are in use for a demographic that can handle multiple buttons. The one button folks (ones that can't handle the confusion of multiple buttons) are the minority.
Apple doesn't want to give up the battle for the single button mouse
http://www.kensington.com/html/3989.html
The best multi button Mac look mouse
(in my opinion of course)Uses apples technology for a scroll touch pad etc.
Not bluetooth but RF wireless. Rechargeable batteries.
Anyway my opinion on why apple doesn't have a two or three button mouse is because they don't want to admit they are WRONG! Face it, more macs are in use for a demographic that can handle multiple buttons. The one button folks (ones that can't handle the confusion of multiple buttons) are the minority.
Apple doesn't want to give up the battle for the single button mouse
I forgot to mention, in regards to the comment about the developers having to utilize two button mouse technology.
THEY ALL READY DO!
Control Click is in almost if not every application I use. And apple uses it to!
Of everything a developer is programming and working on, Multiple button support would not be a worrysome obsticle in the slightest.
THEY ALL READY DO!
Control Click is in almost if not every application I use. And apple uses it to!
Of everything a developer is programming and working on, Multiple button support would not be a worrysome obsticle in the slightest.
June? :-(
I guess that is ok.. since I'm STILL getting used to this sexy piece of machinery. I just got the 20" iMAC and absolutely love it. I got the wireless kb, and decided to stick with the one buttoner till this bluetooth 2+scroll came out. But patient Thanks for the heads-up on the 2 button wired mouse from Macmice. I appreciate all the input and time that you guys put into this forum, it helps us all new converts out a GREAT DEAL!!!
THANKS
g808 said:
I guess that is ok.. since I'm STILL getting used to this sexy piece of machinery. I just got the 20" iMAC and absolutely love it. I got the wireless kb, and decided to stick with the one buttoner till this bluetooth 2+scroll came out. But patient
Thanks for the heads-up on the 2 button wired mouse from Macmice. I appreciate all the input and time that you guys put into this forum, it helps us all new converts out a GREAT DEAL!!!THANKS
Does anybobdy have this?
Just wondering if anybody bought one and if they did what they think of it. It looks really cool but I'll probably wait until they come out with the bluetooth one in June!
Just wondering if anybody bought one and if they did what they think of it. It looks really cool but I'll probably wait until they come out with the bluetooth one in June!
JOD8FY said:Just wondering if anybody bought one and if they did what they think of it. It looks really cool but I'll probably wait until they come out with the bluetooth one in June!
Yes i did buy one. It is great, best looking, mac-like mouse around thats not actually from apple. It doesnt feel like an apple pro mouse, but i love it.
get real people. there are 107 buttons on a keyboard, but 2 buttons on a mouse is too complex? sure their are people who cant use use a 2-button mouse, but there are also people who cant tie their shoes, or walk at all. Apple needs to build for the main-stream, not the guy who needs help shaking after he pee's.
I just got my iBook (see sig) and I realize now that I really do want a BT mouse (I added it because it cant' be added internally later). Looking around, I figured that this thing would be the best choice (since I cannot sacrifice 2button/scroll after using it for years). I can have something that looks great, works great, and is wireless! I wonder how much the BT model will be?
Aluminum colored one?
Has anyone purchased/seen the aluminum version of this mouse? I was wondering how nicely it complemented the Powerbook, or should I just go for the white one?
Has anyone purchased/seen the aluminum version of this mouse? I was wondering how nicely it complemented the Powerbook, or should I just go for the white one?
Considering that practically every program (including the OS itself) uses "control-click"....there's reason right there to have a 2 button "pro" mouse. Have 2 different mice- one for the "e" and "i" products, and a 2 button for the "Power" lines...and offer each as an option for the other (that way nobody is left out).
I know I'd have opted for a 2 if they offered it- rather then packing the one that came with my computer away in some drawer forever.
...point is that almost all programs use 2 and some high-end programs use 3 (Maya for instance).
If it's a case reguarding "they don't want to step on 3rd party support"... then why should they bother with the Studio displays? Or thier software ...isn't FCP and Motion stepping on Adobe's toes?
Apple wants to make $ just like every other company out there... for many years now, the public has been asking for more buttons on thier mice- would love to know Apple's real reasoning for ignoring us all.
I know I'd have opted for a 2 if they offered it- rather then packing the one that came with my computer away in some drawer forever.
...point is that almost all programs use 2 and some high-end programs use 3 (Maya for instance).
If it's a case reguarding "they don't want to step on 3rd party support"... then why should they bother with the Studio displays? Or thier software ...isn't FCP and Motion stepping on Adobe's toes?
Apple wants to make $ just like every other company out there... for many years now, the public has been asking for more buttons on thier mice- would love to know Apple's real reasoning for ignoring us all.
While many people in this thread seem to be such Mac loyalists that they would buy something Apple-branded just because it's an Apple product, I'd like to point out that it doesn't really matter where the mouse comes from as long as it works. I don't care if the G5 desktop tower doesn't match the Apple LCD. I don't care if my beige computer speakers don't match my Aluminium PB. I certainly don't care if my mouse doesn't match my PB and comes from Logitech. Apple could include a Logitech MX300 or something as an option. They'll admit that their speakers are harmon kardon (or whatever the company is called...), so I don't see the big deal if they were to include a Logitech mouse, or had Logitech produce a 2 button mouse for Apple that matches the look of their products.
Also, the "one button mouse simplicity" argument doesn't work if someone buys a G5. Anyone who buys a dual G5 desktop should automatically get a 2 button mouse, even if an inexperienced user may use it once in a while, per chance. This way they wouldn't be "pissing off" any of the 3rd party vendors by making a superior product themselves.
Also, the "one button mouse simplicity" argument doesn't work if someone buys a G5. Anyone who buys a dual G5 desktop should automatically get a 2 button mouse, even if an inexperienced user may use it once in a while, per chance. This way they wouldn't be "pissing off" any of the 3rd party vendors by making a superior product themselves.
Just out of curiosity, if its so vital for Apple to enter the multi-button mouse market.... why haven't they in 20+ years? If it's really that big a deal, one would have been introduced while Steve Jobs was off at NeXT, or the board would have gotten rid of him to allow one to be built (now there's something... the board of directors removing Steve Jobs... over a mouse). However, I'd say that the fact that neither of those have happened indicates pretty strongly that they aren't going to offer one. Go buy one from a third party if you need one so badly.
Personally, I love the one-button trackpad on my iBook, but the lack of any way to scroll was annoying. But did I complain to Apple about that? NO! I went out and downloaded Sidetrack to get a software scroll wheel. Not everything has to be made by Apple.
Personally, I love the one-button trackpad on my iBook, but the lack of any way to scroll was annoying. But did I complain to Apple about that? NO! I went out and downloaded Sidetrack to get a software scroll wheel. Not everything has to be made by Apple.
1 button mice are better
Think about it. The best way to get around a mac is quick key commands. If you know your quick keys you will smoke anyone with a 2, 3, 4.... button mouse and limited quick key use. If you see any behind the scenes footage at Industrial Light and Magic ( Lucas Film ) you will see alot of 1 buttom mice and specialty keyboards highlighting quick key commands.
Think about it. The best way to get around a mac is quick key commands. If you know your quick keys you will smoke anyone with a 2, 3, 4.... button mouse and limited quick key use. If you see any behind the scenes footage at Industrial Light and Magic ( Lucas Film ) you will see alot of 1 buttom mice and specialty keyboards highlighting quick key commands.
Apple of my eye said:
Yes... depending on what they're doing at the time. If it's 3d work- then they need a 3 button mouse- with quick keys.
...and I'm sure their accountants don't even use a mouse- just the keypad. Big deal?
There are many jobs where a one button mouse will work, and many where it won't. I know for myself, when I'm working with a mouse- I don't always have my left hand primed to hit the "control" key or the "page up/down keys"... so a 2 button is a necessity. To each their own. Do I care if my 2 button mouse comes from Apple? No- it proudly says Kensington on it. I just wish Apple would give it as an option - so I don't have to spend money on a mouse I'm just going to throw in some drawer.
mproud said:
http://www.kensington.com/html/3989.html
... 2 button...with a touch-sensitive scroll wheel.
cyks said:
I agree, and personally use a Kensington Wireless Turbo Mouse Pro Trackball ( the best mouse ever!!! )
not quite the point
I think the issue is not actually the MOUSE, but the CLICKING.
If 2-button mice were an official Apple option when purchasing a machine, where would that leave the iBooks and PowerBooks? They have one single click button, and of course some people would prefer a PC-style 2-button xBook but Apple can't go making two different built-to-order options like that and still make money. And not every laptop user wants to buy a mouse.
I think the issue is not actually the MOUSE, but the CLICKING.
If 2-button mice were an official Apple option when purchasing a machine, where would that leave the iBooks and PowerBooks? They have one single click button, and of course some people would prefer a PC-style 2-button xBook but Apple can't go making two different built-to-order options like that and still make money. And not every laptop user wants to buy a mouse.
markjones05 said:
You'd be surprised. Most of the PC users at my company don't know what the second button is for. They do use the scroll wheel, however.
Ironically, the Mac in our Graphics Department has a 5 button mouse...
Really, I don't understand why people complain about Apple's mouse. If you don't like it, you can buy one with more buttons for only $20.
Which is it: Mac users are more sophisticated than the average PC user, and willing to pay a premium price, or are they too stupid to grasp the concept of a 2-button mouse?
I think for a potential switcher looking at Apple, the 1-button mouse is an embarrassment.
I think for a potential switcher looking at Apple, the 1-button mouse is an embarrassment.
gotohamish said:
I came over from the dark side... er, make that the PC side of things - so I'm used to a multi-buttom mouse (especially because I've been a Linux user). Having said that, I find all laptop pointing devices rather annoying and kludgy. While I wouldn't settle for a one-button external mouse, I don't find that having to use the option key (or is it control?) in coordination with the laptop buttons is any more of a pain in the neck than using a two-button trackpad or whatever.
Understand that I still think it's annoying, for sure; it's just no more annoying than my Dell's built in pointer was.
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