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Yeah! Apple should have run full-page ads in all the newspapers, and banner ads on all the geek blogs, something like:

APPLE IS GOING TO BE TESTING THE NEXT GENERATION OF IPHONE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. NATURALLY, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT ONE OF OUR TESTERS MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY LOSE ONE OF THESE VERY VALUABLE TOP-SECRET DEVICES THAT TECH BLOGS HAVE OFFERED CASH REWARDS FOR, AND WHICH OUR COMPETITORS WOULD BE VERY ANXIOUS TO SEE.
Seriously though. I have a keyring thingy with an address on it (not mine, a security company's) and the idea/hope is that if someone finds the keys they'll just follow the instructions, which are to drop the keys in the nearest mailbox and the postal service will take it from there. I estimate the value of my keyring to the sum total of the things it provides access to, and while I'm not poor it certainly doesn't amount to the million/billion-dollar value of an iPhone prototype.

Is it really that much to ask that they put a simple, anonymous "if found, call this number" sticker on this billion-dollar thing, instead of leaving it blank? This phone doesn't exactly communicate that it wants to be found, it's more like some anti-homing device that wants to sever all ties with the world once lost. Short of a self-destruct mechanism like an exploding battery, it doesn't get more Mission Impossible than a remotely disabled device in a black unmarked camouflage shell.

I mean, if you have this super duper top secret thing which CAN be lost in the field, the first thing to do is to make sure that whoever finds it, comes DIRECTLY to you so that there are no middle hands and prying eyes along the way. How did Apple do in that department? Well let's see:

- The exterior is a fake black shell with no markings, stickers or any identifiers of any kind. It begs to be opened in order for one to get any kind of handle on it = FAIL, since they don't want anyone to see what's inside. Nothing peaks the curiosity more than an unmarked black box.

- Remotely disabled, impossible to check for the owner's details, address book, internal number etc. Yes, Hogan happened to see Powell's name before the phone was bricked, but that was just a fluke. Odds were that remote disabling may well put the phone out of commission long before anyone had a chance to switch it on. FAIL as far as possibilities to easily hook up with the owner first hand are concerned.

- Nobody in the outer ring of Apple employees who communicate with mere mortals in the outside world (operators, support techs etc) is/was privy to info about the existence of this phone, so they're not going to be of much help, and it's not like "connect me to Steve, I have something that might interest him" will yield any meaningful results. Heck, Apple didn't return Wired's calls (see article) even though they had info about the phone and its whereabouts. Furthermore, since this thing is supposed to be so secret that most Apple employees don't even know about it, it's kind of a FAIL if they all get to hear about it from some fool on the outside calling various numbers and describing the phone.

- Next stop: An Apple Store. FAIL, they'd be all over this thing they're not supposed to see or know about. They get lousy pay AND they're Apple fanatics, do you really want the phone with them?

- Next stop: The police. FAIL, as this option is yet another that will allow more outsiders (one or several) a glimpse of the device. While I'm generally trusting of law enforcement personnel, I still wouldn't want them to have my uber-secret phone in a drawer with fifty not-so-secret ones that people come and collect.

Note to Apple: If one of your employees is named Baldrick and says that he has a cunning plan, don't listen the next time like you did when you implemented routines for retrieving lost phones.
 
lol give the kid a break, he deserves some punishment for being such an idiot - it's not like he didn't think he was committing something illegal - but Gizmodo are even more criminal in this case. They knew 100% what they were doing. The kid did too, but this sort of thing never happened to him. Maybe a small fine for him.

Agreed. Guy should turn witness against Gizmodo (who turned the whole thing into a royal debacle and exposed him to all sorts of potential pain) and Apple can bleed them dry. Gizmodo threw Gray Powell under the bus in shameless fashion, and now Hogan is going to get his "15 minutes of fame" as well.

Powell + Hogan vs. Denton + Chen. Fight!

The finder is moron for handling things the way he did, and definitely deserves what comes to him, but I imagine Gizmodo probably fed him a bunch of boloney about how everything would be kept on the down low - and, by the way, everything was totally legit so don't worry about it! Perhaps Hogan watched, horrified, as Gizmodo turned it into an idiots spectacle. Or perhaps not.
 
Seriously though. I have a keyring thingy with an address on it (not mine, a security company's) and the idea/hope is that if someone finds the keys they'll just follow the instructions, which are to drop the keys in the nearest mailbox and the postal service will take it from there. I estimate the value of my keyring to the sum total of the things it provides access to, and while I'm not poor it certainly doesn't amount to the million/billion-dollar value of an iPhone prototype.
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You know, we actually have no idea what kind of labeling or instructions were on this thing. We've only heard one side of the story, from people with a vested interest in staying out of government hotels for 365 days. There was a rumor of a barcode. There may very well have been a phone number, address, or other label as well.
 
Yep. My mind thinks back to that 1985 style Apple advert they ran all those years ago. Oh the irony.

Yeah, I mean the old Apple Computer we used to know and love, why you could back up a truck to their back door at 3 a.m., break in, and take all the Macintoshes you wanted, and those guys would be cool about it. These guys today, you pay a thief to sell you a secret new device in development stolen from them, take it apart a little, and spread their product plan all over the internet, and right away they get an attitude. They should just chill.
 
Nice to see someone think different


I'm sorry to say this, but you are all a group of sad brainwashed fanatics who will never see anything wrong with what Apple does.

I understand your deep need to justify your gods, no matter how unethical their behavior may seem, But this time I just can't read your nonsense anymore.

Agreed that it is Apple's prerogative to pursue this case until their itch has been scratched. But Apple's refusal to admit they were negligent in their silly alcoholic fashion is just upsetting.

Look back and see how you defend apple as it is their right to take this kid down, and you still defend Apple when they are being blamed for patent infringement, or any other evil (that you frowned upon when it was done to Apple).
 
A public spanking would be better. Lol. :D

50 swats with an iPad!

/end thread. Brilliant. Just brilliant. I applaud you good sir.

Troll high five!

Is it really that much to ask that they put a simple, anonymous "if found, call this number" sticker on this billion-dollar thing, instead of leaving it blank?

Good grief, are you still trying to figure out how to make this All Apple's Fault?

The guy had a vast array of options before him that would have safely landed the phone back in Apple's hands - without a pit stop (teardown and rebuild) at Gizmodo - and he wouldn't have been in a bit of trouble.

There is no sane way to paint Apple as the victimizer in this fiasco.
 
Sure, I bet the 21 year old kid pulled out the Calafornia penal code book on the spot and lawyered himself up.

I am not defending him for not choosing the course I would have, but let's not throw the book at him before it is written.

Right. Write the book faster, will you?
 
I don't dislike Apple but this incident has me reconsidering that. The dude who lost the phone was a Apple employee, therefore Apple lost the phone. How is that not Apple's fault? Apple can do no wrong? You don't think they should let it go already?

We keep trying to tell you, the theft of the phone can't be Apple's fault because they weren't wearing a low-cut blouse and a very short skirt. (See, cmaier, op. cit.) Everybody knows you're not asking to have a crime committed against you unless you're dressed like that.

Apple, through its employee, for whom it is legally responsible, at least while he was acting in the course and scope of his employment, committed Grand Littering by leaving a next-gen iPhone all over a bar stool without cleaning it up. Hogan, concerned citizen and minister to the pygmies in Africa, remediated the problem by thoughtfully restoring the bar stool to its previous pristine condition. Apple should be thanking him!
 
We keep trying to tell you, the theft of the phone can't be Apple's fault because they weren't wearing a low-cut blouse and a very short skirt. (See, cmaier, op. cit.) Everybody knows you're not asking to have a crime committed against you unless you're dressed like that.

Apple, through its employee, for whom it is legally responsible, at least while he was acting in the course and scope of his employment, committed Grand Littering by leaving a next-gen iPhone all over a bar stool without cleaning it up. Hogan, concerned citizen and minister to the pygmies in Africa, remediated the problem by thoughtfully restoring the bar stool to its previous pristine condition. Apple should be thanking him!
ROFL. :D
 
I'll never buy an Apple product again.

They didn't "attempt" anything. They asked if they could search for the phone. The roommate said no. They went away.

If you knew someone had your ****, you might knock on their door and ask for it back, too.
 
The guy had a vast array of options before him that would have safely landed the phone back in Apple's hands - without a pit stop (teardown and rebuild) at Gizmodo - and he wouldn't have been in a bit of trouble.

There is no sane way to paint Apple as the victimizer in this fiasco.
Good lord, I must have told you about a dozen times now: WE. ARE. NOT. ALWAYS. TALKING. ABOUT. THE. CRIMINAL. CASE. THERE. ARE. OTHER. ANGLES.

This time I didn't even mention any "guy", It was about Apple's routines (or lack thereof) for situations like these in general. I didn't mention any person whatsoever, save for the character Baldrick on Black Adder. And yet you STILL managed to somehow bring it back to "oh jeez, someone's defending this Hogan guy again, this must be stopped, let me get my internet lawyer hat". Do you also do this in daily life when someone talks about ice cream, music, nose jobs, tarmac, astrology or gaffer tape? Someone says, I dunno, "Jackhammer" and your brain immediately starts scrambling for ways to lead the conversation back to Hogan and his monumental crime against humanity?
 
They didn't "attempt" anything. They asked if they could search for the phone. The roommate said no. They went away.

If you knew someone had your ****, you might knock on their door and ask for it back, too.

So you were there? Cool.

Or is the issue with how MR wrote the copy?
 
I don't blame this guy, I would of done the same thing, except I wouldn't have sold it for 5000, I would of just given away to Gizmodo for free..

Ummm....gotta flash for you there, champ. Turns out it isn't your phone to give to Gizmodo. You could give it to the bartender, or to the police, but giving it to a geekblog that advertises that it is offering financial rewards to people who illegally bring them trade secrets and stolen property from Apple really doesn't make you look much like a guy hell bent on making sure this Macguffin gets back to its true owner unscathed.

If under these circumstances you're charged with theft and misappropriating trade secrets, you don't want me on your jury.

Word.
 
Interesting that it has been revealed that this always-dubious "phone call to AppleCare" was not even made by the finder himself.

"No, but someone ELSE called AppleCare on my behalf. Due diligence was done!"
 
Ummm....gotta flash for you there, champ. Turns out it isn't your phone to give to Gizmodo. You could give it to the bartender, or to the police, but giving it to a geekblog that advertises that it is offering financial rewards to people who illegally bring them trade secrets and stolen property from Apple really doesn't make you look much like a guy hell bent on making sure this Macguffin gets back to its true owner unscathed.

If under these circumstances you're charged with theft and misappropriating trade secrets, you don't want me on your jury.

Word.

Ditto.
 
Interesting that it has been revealed that this always-dubious "phone call to AppleCare" was not even made by the finder himself.

"No, but someone ELSE called AppleCare on my behalf. Due diligence was done!"

Actually, it doesn't even say he DID call. All it says is he offered to call.
 
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And he called a representative of the owner, who refused it, soooooo...

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He called people at the company who were not authorized to deal with the matter. He might as well walked up to the janitor, "Dude, you lose a phone? No, not me. Good, now it is my phone!"
 
They didn't "attempt" anything. They asked if they could search for the phone. The roommate said no. They went away.
Uh, pardon me but I've seen this used to many times, it's gotta be my turn now: How do you know? Your account is every bit as detailed as the more ominous "men in black" scenarios presented, but last time I checked, we don't know the extent or manner of the attempt, if any. The exact words they uttered on the doorstep are unknown, and all sorts of trajectories lead away from there depending on choice of words, attitude, number of people etc.

A lone, stocky man who says "show me your stuff". When blown off, he walks away backwards, without the limp he had two minutes earlier.

Three girls in bikinis going "we have a present for Brian. No wait... Brian has a present for us. Oh shoot that came out weird."

Two transvestite cheerleaders singing "A! P! P-L-E! Give us phone and you go free!"

Six uniformed THX-1138 cops who just stared and fondled their night sticks. Nothing creepier than being stared at by six pairs of NO EYES.

We don't know.
 
Your argument is totally irrelevant. In your example, someone violently raping another person is HARDLY the same as a drunk fool losing a phone. Get real. Please use your brain.

Oh, you misunderstood. He wouldn't have violently raped anybody. Just taken her home without telling anybody. Then, in a few weeks, he'd have sold her to a known molester who undressed her, took videos and photos of her, published them on the internet, written her family to make sure she was really their daughter, then dressed her right back up and sent her right on her way back to momma. And you're telling me her dad's mad at him!? Jeez, what a jerk that guy is!
 
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