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Exactly, dude! This is so like my situation -- I was outside a Detroit bar when I saw this cool looking Corvette unlocked with the keys inside. I asked a guy in the bar bathroom if he knew who it belonged to, but he said he didn't, so I drove it home. The car looked kinda funny, and when I removed some side panels, I found out it was actually a new unreleased 'Vette hybrid! I think some Chevy engineer must have been test-driving it, then drank too much when he stopped off at the bar and took a cab home instead of the car -- the engineer left his driver's license in the car. Well, my buddy said he'd try to call the local Chevy dealer's service department to see if they'd take the car back, but apparently they didn't know anything about it, so I figured instead that I could sell it to Road & Track and make some pretty sweet cash! They disassembled it and wrote about on their website, and jeez, the next thing I know frickin' GM knocks on the door asking about the frickin' thing! Fortunately my roommate knows all about the law, and says they can't go in the garage! Only now GM has bribed the cops to come by my house asking all sorts of questions. I just don't frickin' get it -- those bastards at GM have totally blown this out of proportion! Frickin' fascists!

I dub thee: Threadwinner! :D
 
Ever hear the urban legend of the Toothbrush Bandits? Yeah, that's what Gizmodo did to Apple.]

Toothbrush Bandits? This is an urban legend already!?

Loudoun 'toothbrush bandits' strike again
The toothbrush bandits were back on Saturday.

In the latest theft of high-end oral hygiene products from Loudoun County grocery stores, a man swiped four electric toothbrushes, whitening strips and a 12-pack of toilet paper from a Giant in Ashburn on Saturday afternoon, sheriff's spokesman Kraig Troxell said.

Investigators think the toilet paper could have been used to conceal the other items.

Officials said the man is described as white and about 6 feet tall with short brown hair, walked into the Giant about 2 pm and took the items. He was then spotted leaving in a blue sedan with Colorado plates driven by another white man.

The theft follows three similar ones at Harris Teeter grocery stores around the county in recent weeks.

The circumstances caused some to recall the urban legend of the Next-Gen iPhone Bandit. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/loudoun/loudoun-toothbrush-bandits-str.html
 
When I was robbed at gun point, and my iPhone taken from me, I didn't get ANY response from the police. The police had the full ability to track my phone (I even alerted them when I could see the phone had been used), and yet they closed the case the minute it was opened.

Don't we live in a great age? Where a Phone is worth more than a human life...
 
But when you say something like "Is it really that much to ask that they put a simple, anonymous "if found, call this number" sticker on this billion-dollar thing, instead of leaving it blank?" you are clearly implying that Apple let this poor guy down by not doing a better job of preventing him (or discouraging him) from lifting the phone and selling it to Gizmodo.
No, the implication is only in your somewhat stubborn mind. Sorry for moving beyond Hogan long before we even had his name, but in my view he's just the MacGuffin in a much bigger story, and wherever that story is, "I want to go to there" (sic).

The "thief"/"not thief" debate has now been treading water for something like 10 consecutive days, and I haven't heard any new arguments in 9.5 days. Knowing that "Oswald shot JFK/No he didn't" has been stuck in a loop for 47 years and people are still posting 46 year old arguments thinking they're brand new, while others shoot them down with the same passion they had 46 years earlier, I can sort of see where the "thief"/"not thief" thing is going. It may not last 47 years, but even 47 days would be a form of torture that makes waterboarding look like a nice hot bath.
 
He should of held out and made Apple tell him when the new MP is coming out LOL.

Or they could punish him by making him use an Iphone for life LOL.
 
They need this lawyer...only way it can get stranger:

"...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a bunch of guys that sold a prototype to a goofy gadget site, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests."

Hey, it worked for O.J.!
 
Toothbrush Bandits? This is an urban legend already!?

LOL! You got the "clean" version anyway. :D

I wonder if Chen has some unpublished photos of the iPhone prototype in, er, interesting locations that he'll send to Steve Jobs from jail. ;)

(That would truly be the cherry on top of this fubar sundae...)
 
If someone finds a celebrities cell phone and tries to sell it to the National Enquirer, even they would no better than to buy the phone and publish what they find on it.
 
Hey, it worked for O.J.!

And this guy too!

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After watching this whole mess go down in flames for everyone involved, this could have gone down much better. Considering how long it was since the iPhone was found compared to Gizmodo actually publishing the photos, this is how I see this scenario going down less risky for Brian Hogan, Jason Chen and Gizmodo.

Once the phone was found and discovered to be a prototype, Brian can let Gizmodo "review" the phone for a day or...

...BUZZZZ!! Oh, no, you've gone ahead and triggered theft, conversion, violation of the USTA, and conspiracy to violate the USTA. Thanks for playing though, and here's your own swell home version of our game!

You really don't want to go around trying to outsmart the law. A good guide is, if you wouldn't be proud afterward telling your mother what you did, then don't do it. I don't think Mrs. Hogan or Mrs. Chen is feeling all that great right now, and its not because they're legal experts. What these people wanted to do was wrong, and their mothers know it.
 
Well, yes, but that's my very point. Should I sleep better at night knowing the police are more interested in propitiating large conglomerates instead of pursuing legitimate threats to our safety?

A reevaluation of priorities is in order.

Has there ever been a point of history where the optimal priorities were in line with reality? Do you really think that there are so few bodies in enforcement that with one you cannot have the other? If anything it's good to know that someone on the payroll is actually doing something, at least that's how I'd feel :)

If things had been dealt with differently, parties privy to information not so eager to lambast the world with their newfound knowledge and disassembled toys and other parties not so eager to party too hard so as to dispense said knowledge and toys to the world, if things were different this would so, so be a non-story. But no amount of wishing ever made it so.

What has been reported has been telling and while I hate to say it or even agree with the term, it really does seem like some tech soap opera that we're tuning in daily to see who offed who, who got fired, what got leaked, oh-em-gee he did what to who again, and the cat is where doing what to who!? We're all eating it up, both sides and those reasonable folks who are just watching as things unfold. Each bit revealed says volumes, not just of this case but also I think as a reflection of our individual characters with every post we hammer out.

It's interesting reading what some of you have written.
 
So the first guy who hasn't done anything morally questionable for $5000, which includes considering the implications of every transaction leading to that $5000 entering your pocket, please cast the first stone.

<readying catapult>
 
IMO the amount of tax money spent on this fiasco is way out of control. DA, React, etc.

You can't begin to think that this much effort would be put into play if you lost your cell phone, now would you?

Just my guess, this kid will get a slap on the wrist, probation, and 20 Hail Marys.

Chen will probably get screwed, unless the courts decide that he really is a journalist and the evidence is not allowed.

C'mon! Don't tell me that outcome isn't worth more than half the useless nonsense the government usually squanders my tax money on.

Actually, they could just pass the hat around here, and I'd bet they'd get enough to take care of all of this. And if it turns out that Gabby Gizmodo was the organ grinder behind these monkeys, you'd raise enough to cover the appeals as well.

Oh, and Chen really is covered by the shield law, and the evidence necessary to convict him will be allowed anyway.
 
Honestly, I think people are being way too hard on him.

I disagree.

If you left your phone at a bar you would expect a decent person to either call you or leave it with the bartender.

He did neither. He contacted Gizmodo.

I'm willing to bet that he would have been richer and better off calling Apple instead of Gizmodo. Can you imagine how grateful they would have been to get a prototype back?

He knew he was in possession of something valuable and tried to cash it in instead of doing the right thing.

This is the type of guy who gets busted using money lost from the back of an armored car. Turn it in and you get a reward, cash it in and go to jail.

I have no sympathy for this devil.
 
I'm willing to bet that he would have been richer and better off calling Apple instead of Gizmodo. Can you imagine how grateful they would have been to get a prototype back?
I think this misses the point. Apple could just as reasonably said "thank you" and closed the door. It's not about where the money is, it's about where the ethics are...
 
Yeah, this is not really an easy case in the real world. To convict the kid, you have to convince 12 semi-random people sitting on the jury to unanimously agree that: (1) asking around the bar for the phone's owner; and (2) calling Apple; were not "reasonable and just" attempts to find the phone's owner. This means, basically, that each juror will have to be 95% certain that these didn't constitute reasonable attempts to find the phone's owner; it's not enough for them to find it highly likely that these weren't reasonable attempts.

Meaning that if only one juror isn't convinced, there is no conviction. And it's easy to imagine a couple of jurors believing that calling Apple and talking to their reps was enough...the jury won't be made up of Macrumors members who have memorized Apple's address and and Steve Jobs's personal e-mail address.

I kind of also think that a jury might be not be impressed by the argument that the finder had to jump through additional hoops to find the owner, when the owner never called his/its own phone.

The best fact for the prosecution seems to be that the owner may have known the name of the person who lost the phone from the facebook page. Unfortunately, this is hearsay and may be difficult to get into evidence (although possibly for impeachment).

So, anyway, these are all good reasons why charges may not have been filed yet, and why they may not be filed.

Important note: The only source we have for what happened in this case are Giz's reports, plus the couple of other bits in the news. There may be (and probably are) a lot of other relevant facts that law enforcement knows which we don't - these actual facts will have more bearing on what thepeople ultimately decide to do.)

I think, from my own experience, that a lot will depend on who these people turn out to be. If the jury thinks they were being cute, people who knew very well what they were supposed to do, but who wanted to find a clever way to benefit themselves instead, then I think they get convicted and I think the judge goes pretty hard on them.

From reports, Chen and Gabby particularly seem as if they could be the sort who could strike a jury the wrong way. With a capable prosecutor, juries have a pretty good opportunity to size up defendants, and in this case, they're all going to have to hit the stand. And it turns out that if you're on the witness stand for any length of time, it's surprisingly difficult to palm yourself off as someone you're not.
 
C'mon! Don't tell me that outcome isn't worth more than half the useless nonsense the government usually squanders my tax money on. If

Actually, they could just pass the hat around here, and I'd bet they'd get enough to take care of all of this. And if it turns out that Gabby Gizmodo was the organ grinder behind these monkeys, you'd raise enough to cover the appeals as well.

Oh, and Chen really is covered by the shield law, and the evidence necessary to convict him will be allowed anyway.

I would pay a tidy sum for a dedicated pay cable channel, this is all very entertaining. We are putting together a cast of characters that puts Kato Kaelin to shame. The bonus here is that no one died, so we do not have to feel bad watching it all unfold. Sure some peoples lives may get jacked up, but anyone that could happen to in this case, certainly had an opportunity to prevent it from happening.

In short, this is good wholesome entertainment.

Grey Powell
Brian J. Hogan
Sage Wallower
Jason Chen
Nick Dent
Gaby "COO" Darbyshire
Stephen "Chief Deputy District Attorney" Wagstaffe
also Starring Steve Jobs

Add in a whole host of lawyers that are just starting to trickle in..It is OJ without the blood. Perfect for the Internet :)
 
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