Finder of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Identified
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macswitcha2
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Buttercookie
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Calling him or leaving him a message on Facebook since he had his name? Doing anything besides having a friend "offer" to call applecare. Nothing was done according to the latest articles so the lame he called applecare excuse no longer even applies.
macswitcha2
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Cartaphilus
macrumors 6502a
Uh... I asked who Jesus was in this analogy.
If there's a Barabbas (Hogan) and the crowd is chanting "free Hogan", it implies that the crowd picked Hogan over the the Jesus figure in this story. Now, since the one the crowd is turning against is Steve Jobs, I can only assume that someone here thinks Steve Jobs is Jesus which I've suspected for some time that some people believe, I just never saw it in writing.
Oh well, the Pope recently pardoned the Beatles, so I'm sure another pope will let this one slide in about 40 years.
I think the guy believes that we're crucifying Hogan, and so intent to do so, that when the Passover custom of pardoning a condemned man permits the multitude to clamor for a pardonee, we'd even let that sumbitch Barabas go free before Hogan.
In Hebrew Bar-Abbas translates to "Son of the Father", and, funny story, some scholars argue that the multitude, and you know how multitudes can be, was really calling for the release of Christ. Mistakes were made. So let that be a lesson to us, and maybe we can get the multitude together and just sign a petition in writing so there are no mix-ups. I mean, I don't want to be the one standing up there yelling, "enunciate, people, enunciate!"
All I can say is that I'm really proud of the way people have kept this whole thing in perspective.
RebootD
macrumors 6502a
I think if the kid found it and kept it that would be one thing, but keeping it for weeks, having someone shop around for a buyer (on sites that gets millions of hits a day) and making $5k is an entirely different story.
He made it a major issue the second he/they sold it to Giz knowing it would get millions of views. They made a stupid mistake and they should learn there are consequences in life.
Now get off my lawn!
He made it a major issue the second he/they sold it to Giz knowing it would get millions of views. They made a stupid mistake and they should learn there are consequences in life.
Now get off my lawn!
Hal Itosis
macrumors 6502a
Okay, stop right there.
That means he (allegedly) didn't know it was a special prototype when he picked it up. [thereby excluding the scenario wherein he may have overheard Gray and his group discussing the new iPhone beforehand.] So much for all the posters here who were saying stuff like "oh, he couldn't trust the bartender with that much responsibility." Wrong.
In other words: the first time he 'retained possession' he only thought he had found an ordinary iPhone. [which right then and there should have been turned over to some member of the restaurant's staff immediately!] Anyone who keeps a misplaced phone within the confines of a public establishment (i.e., not on a sidewalk or in the middle of the street) is a low-life. And also any folks here who say "it's okay to keep it because the fault lies with the person who lost the phone" are no better.
That's stealing, don't you know?
But... then later on Hogan discovers how important that phone really is, as well as learns an easy way to get it back to the owner (i.e., just drop it off at any Apple Store). Does he do that? No. In effect, he steals it a second time by ransoming it off to the highest bidder.
Guilty... and guilty again.
Thank you. Next?
I would say "ask your parents", but something tells me they're not part of the solution.
Hah 5k for "exclusive rights" = yeah right. If he found out who the phone belonged to, it should've been VERY easy to return the phone. But nope, he started shopping around tech blogs. I wouldn't wish jail on him but a fine would be appropriate (at least the $5k). I'd call it theft either way.
Cartaphilus
macrumors 6502a
Just so I understand, you would have approached Apple first, and then if they didn't meet your terms, you then would have sold it to the highest bidder. You know, there's an app for that--it's called "Extortion".
Or did you mean that you'd do one or the other of those two things, but just can't quite make your mind up about which is the best of the two?
I really like the No-Identity-Revealing part of the plan. It's really hard to move half a million bucks around anonymously, let alone get a lifetime contract of employment without putting your name on it. Then the showing up to work each day always has an outside chance of compromising your anonymity. I love the training part. I mean, you have no scruples whatever about conditioning your performance of your legal obligation to return the phone upon your getting lifetime employment, but you'll be damned if you won't do a great job for them, so naturally, you must insist on being adequately trained. Say you make this deal, and you give them the phone while wearing your mask, and they give you the bearer lifetime contract and the hardware and all. Then you show up for work the next day, and they fire you. You're bringing a lawsuit for breach of contract?! I don't know about that. It's also hard to bring a lawsuit without revealing your identity. It's all just common sense, really.
This. Even for some amount a fraction of $10K it'd be pretty cool to meet the guy. I'd gladly hand it back and sign an NDA at that point!
And Apple... put a "If found, please call / write ..." sticker or engraving on the back next time!
macswitcha2
macrumors 65816
Oh please......so he's a thief because did'nt hunt the guy down through facebook?
Despite all the rants from those who have this chap already convicted, it looks like the assistant DA isn't listening. And any defence lawyer would have a field day with Apple trying to search his residence.
It also looks like he's a lot smarter than we all thought, and definitely a lot smarter than all those ranting here over the last week. Once he realised it was a real Apple prototype, he realised that it was worth a lot more than $5,000.
Cartaphilus
macrumors 6502a
I would be very surprised if he gets a single day in jail for this. If charged, he'll plead to a lesser charge and get off with probation. I can't imagine that the DA is gonna press for jail time for the relative chump change that changed hands here.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you're giving adequate importance to the notoriety this case is receiving. And I think it galls law enforcement personnel everywhere when a portion of public opinion appears to believe that some anti-social behavior is permissible, legal, or excusable. Although I think the Gizmodo defendants are the primary target here, if Hogan has a history, fails to cooperate, or appears to lack sincere remorse, I think the D.A.'s office wouldn't hesitate to make an example of him. I think they really want people to understand that if you find something like this under these circumstances, it isn't yours. The idea that some people have that it's their lucky day and to hell with the owner, has just got to infuriate police and prosecutors alike. I wouldn't want to give them any excuse to teach a civics lesson at my expense.
Hogan's lawyer ought to be negotiating the testimony-for-misdemeanor deal right now and keeping his, his client's, and his client's buddies' mouths shut.
I don't think you're giving adequate importance to the notoriety this case is receiving. And I think it galls law enforcement personnel everywhere when a portion of public opinion appears to believe that some anti-social behavior is permissible, legal, or excusable. Although I think the Gizmodo defendants are the primary target here, if Hogan has a history, fails to cooperate, or appears to lack sincere remorse, I think the D.A.'s office wouldn't hesitate to make an example of him. I think they really want people to understand that if you find something like this under these circumstances, it isn't yours. The idea that some people have that it's their lucky day and to hell with the owner, has just got to infuriate police and prosecutors alike. I wouldn't want to give them any excuse to teach a civics lesson at my expense.
Hogan's lawyer ought to be negotiating the testimony-for-misdemeanor deal right now and keeping his, his client's, and his client's buddies' mouths shut.
macswitcha2
macrumors 65816
Wait...you call this guy a thief, and a lowlife and then say something about kids being raised and having no respect for anyone. You're amazing! You managed to be his judge, a child psychologist, miraculously knowing how every kid is raised in this nation, and projecting all of that on Hogan.
I hope that was the only time and the last time you thought like that because woe, that's pretty warped.
He is a thief because California law requires him to make a reasonable effort to return the device to the owner, and by his own admission he did nothing at all. The other poster mentioned facebook because he said he used facebook, and since he gave Gray's name to Gizmodo, apparently found the owners name.
Apple went to the door and asked if they could come in, they were told no and left. Please read the article if you would like the source (Not the MR summary, the Wired article).
Cartaphilus
macrumors 6502a
Actually "an eye for an eye" was a limiting admonition on the common practices of neighboring tribes who prescribed death as pretty much a universal punishment. So if you put out someone's eye, the Old Testament insisted that punishment be only commensurate, not death. Of course, then came the New Testament with its admonition that "whosoeverth put out your left eye, turn to him your right eye also". This gave rise to the then popular aphorism concerning blind justice.
Hal Itosis
macrumors 6502a
Perhaps you need to let it go too. Yes, bravo... Apple lost the phone.
That's not a crime. Why are you trying to sweep an intentional criminal act under the rug and focus exclusively on some clumsy accident by a person celebrating their birthday.
I think your priorities are seriously skewed... the only question is: why?
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And to the 'stunters' here still hoping this entire episode is a setup: y'all are in some deep dire straits now. I just looked up the word "desperate" at Wikipedia and i'm pretty sure i saw your usernames listed.
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Get an adult to read the story to you, then come back when you're all caught up.
No... actually that transformation occurred the instant he stepped out of the bar fully intending to keep the item. You're welcome.
macswitcha2
macrumors 65816
What constitutes a reasonable effort?
Cartaphilus
macrumors 6502a
You're in the top decile of native-born Americans. And there's only one guy I know in the world who is a non-native speaker of English, who never lived in an anglophone country for any meaningful time who'd give you a run, and he's Flemish. Which is disqualifying, I think, because the Dutch speakers are just supernatural when it comes to languages. His favorite American expression is, "there you go", which he's perfected in inflection and application. Really impressive.
macswitcha2
macrumors 65816
Yeah...instead of at the bar, he needed to be working on making the bar on the iPhone go down a lot slower....
Hal Itosis
macrumors 6502a
Skitsnack. [sorry sven, i call it like i see it.]
This isn't an either/or situation... both things are possible.
#1. It was lost.
#2. It was found.
#3. It was removed from the premises (a place of business).
#4. It was sold for profit to a 3rd party (i.e., not returned to the owner).
Parts 3 and 4 constitute the theft. Keeping the item —as opposed to turning it over to a staff member (or police, etc.) —is stealing. How sad that this simple concept (and i'm not even talking about Cali "law") is apparently so difficult to grasp.
This, this... a thousand times this!!! ^ [instant karma is a bitch.]
Cartaphilus
macrumors 6502a
You're pretty sure it's one or the other, eh? Let rapists run rampant until we get all the murderers? Get all the rapists before the first armed robber?
It's been proven statistically over and over again: severity of punishment never deters crime as effectively as assurance of punishment. Let people think that crimes like these are not important enough to be pursued, and you'll see lots more of it. With limited resources law enforcement is always a compromise and a balancing act. Investigating this bunch isn't just pleasing to Apple, but to many people who know the story. At least for me, the arrogance of Gizmodo's management, thinking it is okay to steal Apple's trade secrets, is the source of this problem. The more I read, the more convinced I am that somebody needs to find out just how this all happened, and if Gizmodo schemed this all out, coaching Hogan, planning on hiding behind the shield law, I'd consider it a wise use of public funds to prosecute vigorously.