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A criminal if I have ever seen one. :D

Just another normal person who found a strange phone, but lets hang him just for kicks. Right fanboys. :mad:
 
will be interesting to see how jobs "announces" the iPhone when everyone already knows it exists... probably some funny side comment to go along with it.
 
Are you serious? Do you really think Apple sent in a squad in tactical black to recover the phone?

Come on. Someone from Apple showed up at the door and asked if the person was Brian. They said no. The representative said that Brian had their property can they come in and get it. The room mate said no. They left. End of story. Apple did not try to force entry or some other nefarious scenario.

Wow, do you see in the future or only the past? Unless you were there, ease up on the assumptions on exactly how is happened ;)
 
Honestly, I think people are being way too hard on him.

How many people on this board would, if finding a next-gen iMac prototype, wouldn't immediately post it on MacRumors?

He made some effort to return it, and realized what he had and sold it to the journalist with the mindset of giving them an exclusive, not trying to move stolen goods.

He probably wasn't very familiar with laws on lost goods. He probably called Gizmodo and tried to get some money in exchange for a story, and was talked into celling it to them. Per the story:



A naive kid who stumbled into something bigger than him. 90% of the boards probably would've done something similar.

I probably would have tried to sell Gizmodo photos and videos myself before returning the phone. I'm not under NDA from Apple, I have no obligation to keep it secret after I return it.


I don't think it's worth ruining his life by arresting him for theft over this.

Ignorance is no excuse is the eyes of the law.
 
Wow, do you see in the future or only the past? Unless you were there, ease up on the assumptions on exactly how is happened ;)

Occam's razor. If the goonsquad rang the doorbell the lawyer would be trumpeting all about it.
 
How are they supposed to "know" it's an Apple product that they found. It's not announced by Apple and since Apple keeps things so tight-lipped, they could just think its a chinese look-alike/fake.

Someone finds something, sells it to someone else. What's the big deal?
 
Good, but the San Mateo deputy D.A. isn't so sure yet:

"Assuming there's ultimately a crime here. That’s what we're still gauging, is this a crime, is it a theft?" (source: Wired.com)

If the DA is "still gauging", is it really that hard to understand that forum pundits with no law training are doing the same?

A good point. Then again, when cops find a husband standing over his dead wife with a bloody knife in hand, a murder/suicide note in his pocket, and 10 witnesses to the crime, they (the D.A.) still initially speaks in vague generalities about "alleged" crimes and "accused" perpetrators. It's how the law works. I wouldn't calculate the odds of the outcome based on what the D.A. is saying right now.
 
We have no way of knowing but it's not inconceivable that Hogan would've done the same, had he found some regular Dell laptop or Nokia phone. But it dawned on him what this thing was, the next day when he tinkered with it – and while he should have returned it none the less, you can't tell me that the magnitude of this particular find would have zero impact on you.

No, for one thing it was INSIDE an existing iPhone 3GS case...it wasn't found exactly as you see in the pictures. So to anyone just looking at it, it would have appeared as a regular iPhone 3GS.
 
What?!?!? If this statement is true Apple Inc. has some explaining to do. A private corporation cannot go in and attempt a search without law enforcement and a search warrant. Either this is a false statement or Apple believes they are above the US legal system. Scary!:eek:

Sure they can. Anybody who wants to can come up to your front door and asked to be let in and search your place. There's nothing wrong with that. It'd only be illegal if you denied them access and they forced their way in anyway. If you let them in, then no one has done anything wrong.

In this case, since the roommate denied them access and they didn't attempt to forcibly search anyway, no one did anything wrong.
 
will be interesting to see how jobs "announces" the iPhone when everyone already knows it exists... probably some funny side comment to go along with it.

i was just thinking the same thing. this just gives stevie a funny little intro into his iphone speech.

"some of you may be familiar with our development prototype..."

and everyone laughs. oh, stevie.
 
apple reps

although it seems kinda creepy that apple showed up to look for the phone, it's not illegal or even immoral. as someone pointed out -- if you knew who stole your phone you might very well go ask them to get it back (or if their roommate answered the door ask to pick it up). apple wasn't pretending to have special authority to enter the house without permission, they ASKED, and when turned down they left and did the next best thing, called the police. it sounds like they were trying to be nice if you ask me.
 
I'm sure glad I'm surrounded by so many that have NEVER found something and kept it in their life...especially after attempting to find it's owner (which may or may not be hearsay).

No. Never. I have never even once found something of any value and just pocketed it (I probably *have* found a quarter in the middle of the street and kept it, but come on). I've found many things lying around in my life: wallets, phones, a laptop, cash, and even if you can believe it, a really nice brass sextant in a wooden box. I always did everything I could to get them returned. 99% of the time letting someone who works at the place where it was found works. This guy didn't even make that simple attempt.

Anyway, the point being, yes, as hard as it may be for you to believe, there are people who won't just walk away with someone else's property. It's the Right Thing™ to do.
 
Then they shouldn't send out retarded employees who LOSE PRE RELEASED PRODUCTS AT BARS IN A DRUNKEN STUPOR. Wow are you guys dense.

Grey or gray Powell is 27 years old. That is past the age of innocent. Most employers hire people with the purpose of being mature people. Spin the yarn however you like but it's not apples fault that the phone was lost. That burden is on gray or Grey.

You just dislike apple and can't be rational about it so your taking the facts out of context and inserting it the way you wish it was
 
I like the guys that still think this was a publicity stunt by Apple to make their stock go up. I guess they'll never get away from that...just like the "birthers' and the "truthers".

Guess we'll call them the "stunters"? :D
 
No. Never. I have never even once found something of any value and just pocketed it (I probably *have* found a quarter in the middle of the street and kept it, but come on). I've found many things lying around in my life: wallets, phones, a laptop, cash, and even if you can believe it, a really nice brass sextant in a wooden box. I always did everything I could to get them returned. 99% of the time letting someone who works at the place where it was found works. This guy didn't even make that simple attempt.

Anyway, the point being, yes, as hard as it may be for you to believe, there are people who won't just walk away with someone else's property. It's the Right Thing™ to do.

so that quarter.... never returned u say??? Careful folk in this forum might consider that theft!
 
Yeah, one of the most valuable companies in America looking for a stolen/missing soon-to-be released prototype of their most important product in a many multi-billion-dollar market is, um, creepy. :rolleyes:
Yes. It's creepy that "representatives of Apple" show up on the doorstep (they don't call, they don't have the police do it for them) of an individual they've tracked down, and when the individual isn't around they still ask the person who opened the door if they can come in and search the home? Assuming they were allowed inside, assuming the phone was not in plain view, how would the search proceed? I'm really scrambling here for a mental image that doesn't involve men in black pulling out drawers and turning them upside down, but it seems I don't have any non-creepy images in stock for this scenario.
 
Apple representatives attempted to search his apartment? Wow. That really seems inappropriate.

Goons.

Really, Apple should calm the eff down. Why would they want to search this dude's apartment? It's not like the stolen iPhone was still in there. What would they have been looking for?

And besides, this is just a friggin phone. It's not like they were going to lose any money buy it being posted on Gizmodo. In fact, it was good, free publicity at first, now I feel it's turning bad. Apple is sending people out to search houses, police are busting down doors, .... Apple is doing damage to its reputation right now.

Why is this Apple doing evil?

They should have let the police do their own job. They didn't have to send their own little private police force to a private citizen's house.
 
If this somehow leads to the release of new Mac Pros...then I'll be interested.
 
I wouldn't of have posted the details and i would have turned the phone over ASAP to the owners or even the police. But that's how i was raised. And i know people were raised differently that's evident in the crime rates

Me too. I'll wait now for Anuba to tell me how robotically law-compliant I am;) (Well, I did go to Catholic school and the nuns had big rulers all the better to whack you with, so you tended to obey the rules)
 
How are they supposed to "know" it's an Apple product that they found. It's not announced by Apple and since Apple keeps things so tight-lipped, they could just think its a chinese look-alike/fake.

Totally irrelevant. The finder knew the phone didn't belong to him. That's ultimately all that matters. You can't sell something unless you have legal ownership of it. Especially something worth $5,000 (or, in this case, arguably much more).

Someone finds something, sells it to someone else. What's the big deal?

It's, oh, how do I break this to you, illegal?

There are rules/laws that must be followed in cases like this. The finder/seller of the phone most likely did not follow them.

You should totally head up to Maine for vacation sometime. I hear you can find fresh lobster in traps, just sitting there in the water waiting for you to pull them up and toss them in the boiler. Yum!
 
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