Fire on Plane Caused by Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7

[thering1975]

And it could very well be that fast charging is behind these Samsung fire incidents. Aggressively charging Lithium-Ion batteries comes with consequences; some short-term, some long-term, some relatively benign, and some very adverse.

Incorrectly specifying the battery design, placing high current demands on both discharge and charging cycles, not understanding how to properly dissipate battery-generated heat, along with insufficient and nadequate testing and QA, can result in adverse consequences.

Again Fast charging was not at fault. Tracking on XDA it happened to those who utilised standard charging, and also as stated previous it was a design fault where the anode and cathode were able to come into contact.

Samsung put a software restriction to reduce battery charging to a maximum of 80% but set at 60%, however at no point did they remove the ability to fast charge so very unlikely but i guess suits a narrative to justify why the iphone does not have turbo charging.

People can speculate all they want but we will never no the full truth, however what people should worry about more is the fact that phones are evolving at a stupid rate with users demand more and more features and functions and powerful processors and graphics, but in all that time the 1 thing that has not evolved is battery technology makes you wonder what will happen in a few years if we are stuck with the same battery tech, this could become a whole bigger problem for all

 

[T-Friz]

Wow, maybe Samsung should stick to making washing machines

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/samsung-cpsc-washing-machine-explosion-reports/

Nope, they explode too.

 

[flyinmac]

THIS will forever tarnish the Samsung brand and could not have come at a better time for Apple.

Not a forever tarnishment. Apple has seen its share of burning products. Yet people still buy them.

Bad designs happen. Whether a company survives it, is determined by how they handle it.

 

[Born Again]

Disgraceful
iOS for ever.

?

what does that have to do with the news story.

Something seems fishy

 

[rGiskard]

Unfortunately I agree, sulfuric. Like a kidney stone this will painfully pass and out comes the Samsung Note Rev 2 or whatever and people will line up.

The only unknown is if Apple will "go there" with their next round of ads. Everyone else makes anti-Apple potshots their ads' centerpieces, but Apple hasn't done that since the I'm A Mac campaign. Not like Cook's Apple to kick someone when they're down, but this debacle is begging for some classics!

I think it remains to be seen how serious this is. If no more replacements catch fire then it will likely pass (and the joker who claimed it was a replacement phone will have some explaining to do). If the replacement fire reports rack up into dozens of cases then Samsung's reputation will be tarnished for many years.

 

[Eduardo1971]

Wow, that phone is too hot to handle.

 

[doelcm82]

Except the Note 7 is expensive as the iPhone 7 Plus. Also, no, people DON'T have short memories because Apple critics always bring up the iPhone 4 antenna gate from 6 years ago.

People still bring up the Edsel.

 

[thering1975]

I see lots of people asserting various causes for the fires. Never any links. What I'm hearing is that the replacement phones are identical to the recalled phones except for firmware changes. I have no link, so that's just hearsay. If you're going to claim you have more than hearsay, then could you please add a link so all of us can finally be informed? Thanks!

Wow

Its amazing with the power of google people have become so lazy to check anything for them selves or do any reasearch so how about this

Search google for Samsung Cathode and you get this

http://www.samsung.com/uk/news/local/uk-statement-regarding-galaxy-note7

Then you will see this

Q. What is the issue?
A: Based on our investigation, we learned that there was an issue with the battery cell. An overheating of the battery cell occurred when the anode-to-cathode came into contact which is a very rare manufacturing process error.


And there was no modification to the hardware at all between versions same battery size and everything, but as per my first post im not sure how they actually know which of those replacements sent out were safe as my replacement was made before the recall was in place.

 

[KnighsTalker]

Will never understand how people can hate a company just for being the competition of a company they like.

Samsung makes amazing tech, many of which apple users will profit from. Competition is good.

No they don't... They get a leg up by first copying other companies that make amazing tech and then add a patch work of other borrowed amazing tech later on to perpetuated the lie that they are an amazing company!

 

[myscrnnm]

One example is not enough for me to worry about. There is news of someone's 6s Plus starting fire in their back pocket recently too. Lithium Ion batteries are no joke yet people want faster charging (which heats them more, and reduces their life), and bigger capacities.

Hopefully planes are equipped with fire proof smolder bags, like those of us in the RC community carry when transporting LiPo batteries for our devices!!

Except this is not "one example." Samsung themselves have stated that there were 35 separate incidents of the Note 7 exploding. And if you want to get into chronology, Samsung then told the public that the replacement Galaxy Note 7s were safe. Obviously, as of the time of this Macrumors article, we know that was not the case. So not only did Samsung rush an insufficiently tested product to market, they also lied to consumers and the media about the safety of their devices.

Wow. I want to be nice and say that I feel bad for Samsung. Then I remember how much Steve Jobs hated Android, and how he is probably laughing in his grave about this, and I feel like it's OK to keep making fun of them.

I have absolutely no sympathy for a company that puts market share ahead of their customers' well-being.

Will never understand how people can hate a company just for being the competition of a company they like.

Samsung makes amazing tech, many of which apple users will profit from. Competition is good.

I can't speak of the rest of us, but I don't hate Samsung because they're a competitor of Apple. I like Microsoft, Sony, et cetera. But what sets Samsung apart from them is the fact that they have absolutely no originality. The original Galaxy phones were just cheap knockoffs of iPhones. They can't for the life of them take the risk of coming up with something of their own. At least Microsoft and Sony have the decency to come up with interesting designs (eg. Surface Book and Xperia Z). And since then they've moved on to simply competing with Apple by beating them when it comes to hardware specifications and rushing products to market. Even after several iterations of the Galaxy family of phones, it seems "user experience" is not something that appears in Samsung's vocabulary.

 

[rGiskard]

Again Fast charging was not at fault. Tracking on XDA it happened to those who utilised standard charging, and also as stated previous it was a design fault where the anode and cathode were able to come into contact.

Samsung put a software restriction to reduce battery charging to a maximum of 80% but set at 60%, however at no point did they remove the ability to fast charge so very unlikely but i guess suits a narrative to justify why the iphone does not have turbo charging.

People can speculate all they want but we will never no the full truth, however what people should worry about more is the fact that phones are evolving at a stupid rate with users demand more and more features and functions and powerful processors and graphics, but in all that time the 1 thing that has not evolved is battery technology makes you wonder what will happen in a few years if we are stuck with the same battery tech, this could become a whole bigger problem for all

Link please.

 

[apolloa]

One example is not enough for me to worry about. There is news of someone's 6s Plus starting fire in their back pocket recently too. Lithium Ion batteries are no joke yet people want faster charging (which heats them more, and reduces their life), and bigger capacities.

Hopefully planes are equipped with fire proof smolder bags, like those of us in the RC community carry when transporting LiPo batteries for our devices!!

I wonder if posters here will question your comment, or choose not to as your a moderator? Who speaks common sense.

I recently got back into RC cars and was surprised by the advice of using safety bags to charge the high powered Lipo's in. Would be useful to fit them on planes as you say.

EDIT, oh I see you are not immune to being questioned on your comment..

 

[Steve.P.JobsFan]

Just look at the picture of the burnt phone from the verge. It looks like the name on it is samsung, but its a bit blurry. It could say, smartass or something else. So Samsung has a point, the evidence is not clear.

/s

It is a Samsung device. It clearly says Samsung above the ear piece, they even had the owner send in photos of his packaging to confirm it was an "OK'ed" revision.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/5/1...te-7-fire-replacement-plane-battery-southwest

 

[H2SO4]

I wonder if posters here will question your comment, or choose not to as your a moderator? Who speaks common sense.

I recently got back into RC cars and was surprised by the advice of using safety bags to charge the high powered Lipo's in. Would be useful to fit them on planes as you say.

Tamiya or Kyosho I hope. Now back on topic……..

 

[duffman9000]

Well, at least it has a headphone jack.

And free smoke!

 

[840quadra]

Except this is not "one example." Samsung themselves have stated that there were 35 separate incidents of the Note 7 exploding. And if you want to get into chronology, Samsung then told the public that the replacement Galaxy Note 7s were safe. Obviously, as of the time of this Macrumors article, we know that was not the case. So not only did Samsung rush an insufficiently tested product to market, they also lied to consumers and the media about the safety of their devices.

The context is the new replacement phones, not all Note 7 devices ever created. Have there been 35 accounts of fires with the new replacements already?

If so, I stand corrected.

 

[rGiskard]

Wow

Its amazing with the power of google people have become so lazy to check anything for them selves or do any reasearch so how about this

Search google for Samsung Cathode and you get this

http://www.samsung.com/uk/news/local/uk-statement-regarding-galaxy-note7

Then you will see this

Q. What is the issue?
A: Based on our investigation, we learned that there was an issue with the battery cell. An overheating of the battery cell occurred when the anode-to-cathode came into contact which is a very rare manufacturing process error.


And there was no modification to the hardware at all between versions same battery size and everything, but as per my first post im not sure how they actually know which of those replacements sent out were safe as my replacement was made before the recall was in place.

I hoped for a more definitive source than Samsung. They have every incentive to blame the battery since it's an easy fix and doesn't involve one of their competitive features.

 

[ag29]

And it could very well be that fast charging is behind these Samsung fire incidents. Aggressively charging Lithium-Ion batteries comes with consequences; some short-term, some long-term, some relatively benign, and some very adverse.

Incorrectly specifying the battery design, placing high current demands on both discharge and charging cycles, not understanding how to properly dissipate battery-generated heat, along with insufficient and nadequate testing and QA, can result in adverse consequences.

I agree that fast charging technology could be responsible for the incidents that happened when they exploded while it was charging. But for the times that it exploded while the phone wasn't charging, I'm sure there's something else thats behind the root of the problem. All these phones that have exploded were pretty much brand new. The owners have only had them ranging from a couple days to a couple weeks. It's hard to imagine the batteries received so much stress from the fast charging that they decided to explode after such a short period of use.

 

[thering1975]

Link please.

I already gave you the link in post 235on page 10

 

[citysnaps]

Again Fast charging was not at fault. Tracking on XDA it happened to those who utilised standard charging, and also as stated previous it was a design fault where the anode and cathode were able to come into contact.

Samsung put a software restriction to reduce battery charging to a maximum of 80% but set at 60%, however at no point did they remove the ability to fast charge so very unlikely but i guess suits a narrative to justify why the iphone does not have turbo charging.

People can speculate all they want but we will never no the full truth, however what people should worry about more is the fact that phones are evolving at a stupid rate with users demand more and more features and functions and powerful processors and graphics, but in all that time the 1 thing that has not evolved is battery technology makes you wonder what will happen in a few years if we are stuck with the same battery tech, this could become a whole bigger problem for all

Nice try. There's is no narrative to justify. Fast charging is not rocket science, has been around for a long time, and is easy to implement. Apple, for whatever reason, including the fact that it might have to do with safety, has decided to not employ fast charging.

"'Samsung put a software restriction to reduce battery charging to a maximum of 80% but set at 60%, however at no point did they remove the ability to fast charge so very unlikely"

Well, restricting battery charge to 60% does not appear to be the solution. Perhaps they'll remove fast charge and hope the 3rd time will be the charm.

 

[mcarling]

It should simply be prohibited to transport Samsung phones on airplanes, either in the cabin or the baggage compartment. Period.

 

[btrach144]

To all below:

1: You missed the joke. I referenced washing machines for this purpose.
2: You don't all need to quote the same article and blow up my inbox

I heard rumors that those were exploding too!

Except that it looks like their washing machines are starting to blow up too.

http://qz.com/795460/now-samsung-kr...lowing-up-too-after-the-galaxy-note-7-recall/

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/95yearold...g-machine-fire-in-auburn-20160813-gqrvzd.html

They don't have a stellar reputation for those either...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/83714122/Washing-machine-fires-sparks-recall-warning-reminder

Their washing machines explode, too. Google "U.S. warns Samsung washing machine owners after explosion reports".

No they shouldn't.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/samsung-cpsc-washing-machine-explosion-reports/

Except those seem to be exploding now too...

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/samsung-cpsc-washing-machine-explosion-reports/index.html

Those are exploding too...http://adage.com/article/print-edition/f/306116/

Oh, you mean the ones that have a tendency to explode?

Seriously though, this has gone too far. Phones I can understand, as lithium-ion batteries are very energy-dense. But when your product line up is spontaneously blowing up, it shows a very deep lack of concern for consumer safety. I've never owned a Samsung product, and this incident certainly won't change that.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/samsung-cpsc-washing-machine-explosion-reports/

Nope, they explode too.

Unfortunately washing machines are prone to catching fire as well... even after being recalled as it happens.

Samsung admits to washing machine recall error that led to fire
http://www.smh.com.au/business/cons...l-error-that-led-to-fire-20160726-gqe7sb.html​

Those are exploding also.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...om-samsung-s-latest-headache-washing-machines

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/samsung-cpsc-washing-machine-explosion-reports/

hm......
That is exploding too...

might be explosive too ... http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...om-samsung-s-latest-headache-washing-machines

 

[Steve686]

If there is true concern then we should all be worried about lithium ion batteries in general. There is a reason that we're asked if our package contains any Li-Ion batteries when we drop a package off at the post office. And why retailers are required to slap a strict warning label on all air shipments containing Li-Ion batteries.

There already is concern and has been regarding Li-Ion batteries.

Ever try flying with a drone and extra batteries? Better have protective cases.

And if you keep up with avaiation news here is a more recent approval that is similar to Samsung's battery issue.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lithium-ion-batteries-fly-again-on-a350-900-425894/

 

[citysnaps]

I agree that fast charging technology could be responsible for the incidents that happened when they exploded while it was charging. But for the times that it exploded while the phone wasn't charging, I'm sure there's something else thats behind the root of the problem. All these phones that have exploded were pretty much brand new. The owners have only had them ranging from a couple days to a couple weeks. It's hard to imagine the batteries received so much stress from the fast charging that they decided to explode after such a short period of use.

Not necessarily. As I previously mentioned, fast charging can have long-term consequences that include compromising the battery, which could result in failure during discharge. Or even at rest.

 

[Spink10]

Wow, maybe Samsung should stick to making washing machines

I think that is some sarcasm? My Samsung top loader is potentially about to be recalled