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Erm, no! It's ONE device with the problem and Apple devices have blown up on planes before, has that ruined their reputation too?

http://www.ibtimes.com/iphone-4-catches-fire-combusts-midflight-australian-airline-375770


https://9to5mac.com/2016/03/21/iphone-6-fire-flight-hawaii/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/apple-iphone-catches-fire-explosion-cctv-video-359703

Apple have even managed to burn houses down:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Dang...ns-Down-House-Insurer-Sues-Apple-169890.shtml

And if you leave an iPhone charging on a bed it will also catch fire, like this case where the person died as a result:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...g-his-iphone-charging-overnight-a6853601.html

I found all those cases in 2 mins of googling so please stop with the overblown hyperbole eh? Because by your logic Apple should have gone bust years ago...

There is a difference between these "one off" events and this one. No previous iPhones were under recall for the same problem. This could be nothing, but the perception is already skewed toward it not being an isolated event.
 
Let me point something out:


Nexus 6, nexus 6p, nexus 5x, Galaxy Note 5, Samsung S7, Samsung S7 dege amongst many others have a form of fast charge, are they all exploding - no they are not. Its a battery fault plain and simple. Im charging my note 7 replacement next to me on fast charge, and its barely warm to touch.

No again you read what you wanted to read, i stated in my first post the reason they did the 60 percent charge, here are some reasons as stated:

  • 60 percent (user selectable 80%) was introduced to reduce the amount of energy within the cells themselves until those units are replaced. Much like if a plane needs to make an emergency landing it will dump fuel. This was samsung dumping fuel
  • They done the above because they could not get the replacements out quick enough and made a balls up with the replacement program, as such many many people were making claims like "well im going to keep mine because it never gets warm bla bla bla" by crippling the phone they ineffect ensure everyone will in the end send their units back. Its a drastic move but one that was needed.
The 60% firmware went on only certain phones, my replacement unit did the same update and got the green battery.

At this point theres no evidence that this phone was a replacement phone, so you I and everyone else are just speculating.


But please, im not justifying Samsungs actions here as stated previously they way they handled this whole affair was worse than crap, but people need a few facts rather than respouting the same hyperbole, wether they choose to believe that or not, i dont care, we take what we want from a discussion


Hardly "respouting."

As I said in the beginning, aggressively charging Lithium Ion batteries comes with consequences. Some short-term, some long-term, some benign, and some adverse. Engineering a device to those potential consequences, for a particular battery, is what's necessary. If the battery is not properly engineered or under-specified for the current loads or charge profile, it makes little difference. That's true for all phones/scenarios, including Samsung.

What is important to note is Samsung failed to properly engineer their phone. And failed to adequately test it over a range of common usage scenarios. It is their responsibility to do so.
 
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Exactly, media loves a good story, i mean how often do you hear about washing machines catching fire, never unless of course its from a brand who has had a major failure on another line of products then it becomes a great story bla bla bla.

Batteries in any devices will explode, one offs are to be expected but unfortunately for Samsung i think the final count i saw last was upper 90's units exploding (initially 35) so its gonna stick for a while
 
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This isn't remotely funny anymore. The device is not safe and needs to be completely discontinued. Start over with a brand new Note, Samsung.

Wonder if there's still people here who think they're being "responsible"?

Fully agree. I am a Note Series fan (and own a Note5), and this is truly heartbreaking.

This phone needs to be pulled off shelves completely. It is now completely irresponsible to even attempt to keep this device on the market.

Hopefully, the bad publicity will drive the prices of other Sammy products down; I'll be able to grab a couple Note5s on the cheap...:p

Seriously though, I see this as another reason to bring back removable batteries...so you can switch manufacturers if a problem is noticed before the device goes up completely..
 
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Apple devices have blown up, caught fire, failed fact, fact Apple has had to offer free repairs or replacements for faulty devices:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/jul/12/apple-time-capsule-recall-replace-fault

https://www.apple.com/uk/support/macbookpro-videoissues/

This is just Apple, many car makers have issued mass safety recalls, and yet their brands are not tarnished, you made the claim Samsungs brand would be tarnished, that is compete rubbish as yet again evidence and history proves otherwise.

A couple of differences: A replacement phone that still catches fire in the case of the airplane incident. Samsung also makes the batteries that went into these phones that is a subsidiary of Samsung.
 
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This is true...but they still have a ton of phones blowing up. They screwed up.

Too many yes. But they'll fix it, makes better business sense then write it all off after all. It's most likely some material of manufacture defect, no doubt they are investigating all the way up the chain to find the fault.

I'm not confused in any way about what you're saying. Bemused maybe, but not confused.



Ah, non-sequitur and misdirection. Standard MO

Nope you are confused, also picking on my replies to others now? Stating fact as mis-direction, that's a new one. Were their mystery Samsung devices causing every aircraft accident in history? You'll need to provide proof of that, in fact go and find proof of a Samsung device EVER brinning a plane down.
 
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Hardly "respouting."

As I said in the beginning, aggressively charging Lithium Ion batteries comes with consequences. Some short-term, some long-term, some benign, and some adverse. Engineering a device to those potential consequences, for a particular battery, is what's necessary. If the battery is not properly engineered or under-specified for the current loads or charge profile, it makes little difference. That's true for all phones/scenarios, including Samsung.

What is important to note is Samsung failed to properly engineer their phone. And failed to adequately test it over a range of common usage scenarios. It is their responsibility to do so.


Im not disagreeing with you at all in regards to the engineering Samsung SDI have serious fubar i, Samsung QC have fubar it and Samsung Global have Fubar the whole returns process.

I am a big fan of Samsung products just as i am of Apple, but this was one self created balls up, the question is will they learn from it and as much as it pains me to say it, i dont think they will
 
I wonder how iVerge found out about this story. And remember, the bias is real
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Also fast charging. I love how fast Samsung phones charge compared to an Iphone.
You do know that fast charging wears the battery out faster. Also destabilizes the battery. Besides if you want safe fast charging on any device, plug it in, in the bath room. Lower amps, less conversion.
 
There is a difference between these "one off" events and this one. No previous iPhones were under recall for the same problem. This could be nothing, but the perception is already skewed toward it not being an isolated event.

A couple of differences: A replacement phone that still catches fire in the case of the airplane incident. Samsung also makes the batteries that went into these phones that is a subsidiary of Samsung.

I think two or three? replacement Note 7s have caught fire, and the owner of one of those refused to let Samsung have the device, not very reputable. So it can still be considered isolated. It's only that the first batch had enough of an issue for the reval, that as you said, skews opinion, but it is only of the Note 7, not Samsungs other devices.
 
We're their mystery Samsung devices causing every aircraft accident in history? You'll need to provide proof of that, in fact go and find proof of a Samsung device EVER brinning a plane down.

Don't leave that strawman next to a Note 7. Bad things are bound to happen.

Hint: I never said anything even vaguely like that
 
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I just flew back from NYC and all flights mentioned not using the Note7.

What a PR nightmare for Samsung.

At some point the product is not going to be economically viable.
 
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I'm no fan of Samsung, but this is awful for them, and I feel bad for people whose property has been destroyed or who have been injured by these devices. I think this will forever go down as the worst phone ever made.

That being said--we haven't been given much REAL concrete information on exactly WHAT is causing this defect other then the "rushed to market" stories. I'm curious to find out what the whole story behind the exploding batteries is. We will find out the real truth in a year or two.

Yeah..... I think I have spotted the problem, they are running

Android 6.0 Marshmallow

NOW the fires make sense.
 
I think they should pull all the note 7's and don't even give replacements. Refund the money or another Samsung model. Then just concentrate on the Note 8 without rushing.
 
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No it won’t, don't be ridiculous. People have short memories and smaller wallets than they would like. If price and circumstance suits them they will very likely change anything - not just their phone.
they make other electronic devices so this will not tarnish them
 
I have 5 fire resistant bags used to store electronics I rarely use, spare camera batteries, and RC batteries. If that is fast and loose, I guess I need to slow down in life! o_O .


I question the history and use of that phone as well. Could very well be that it was at unmolested phone, but, we don't know the motives behind this person, or if this is a legitimate claim.

Lol, so you think that someone that wanted to "fake" a Samsung fire 1st bought one before the danger was announced, then got a replacement, then staged their clever "fake" fire in front of a plane full of people??
Wow.
You conspiracy theorists are off the chain!! It's like you think the characters from a Mission Impossible movie are out to frame Samsung, lol.
 
From now on, if I see ANYONE with ANY Samsung device, I'm telling them to GTFA from me!

And ANYONE who is, bluntly, STUPID ENOUGH, to buy another Samsung Note 7, replacement or not, deserves to get burnt, literally!
Overpriced iPhones (which are all made in China) have their problems too. Apple generally cannot go one cycle without a major scandal due to cutting corners. I hope you don't think you're actually any better.
 
...in your opinion. I will never ever buy a Samsung product.
No, in the general opinion. You're speaking in applefanboyland, so your personal opinion, on the other hand, in that precise context, is pretty irrelevant.
 
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