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First 24" LED Cinema Displays Arrive
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Noooot really. That's pretty bad. Stuff's generally been 8ms or less for years now (I mean it's probably functional, but my screens from 2004 are 8ms). But that wasn't what they were talking about. They were talking about input lag, which is an issue with the support chips in the monitor, not the panel itself.
What do you guys think are the chances that Apple releases new monitors at Macworld that support the older DVI connections?
I've been waiting for quite some time for a great 24" monitor, and I might as well wait and see if they release anything at Macword that would have DVI built-in. A question though, would it make sense for Apple to have 2 lines of displays (one for mini-DP, and one for DVI)?
I've been waiting for quite some time for a great 24" monitor, and I might as well wait and see if they release anything at Macword that would have DVI built-in. A question though, would it make sense for Apple to have 2 lines of displays (one for mini-DP, and one for DVI)?
No. As far as I'm concerned that would be idiotic. At the VERY least they should let this thing work with adapters for DVI, HDMI, and hopefully component and VGA.
I finally tracked one down in the Boston store. I just kept calling the local stores until I got them to hold on to one for me.
All in all, I like it though it is taking a bit to get used to.
- Couldn't turn the brightness down with the MB keyboard, nearly burned my retinas out. An external Apple keyboard did the trick. I guess you could use display preferences if you didn't have an Apple keyboard.
- I have a number of icons on my desktop that are gone when I pull the monitor plug and go to laptop LCD. (Perhaps they are off the screen -- cleanup didn't get them back).
- I don't find the glare that bad -- certainly no worse than the MB itself. Extra brightness seems to mitigate this.
- Speakers are only ok. EQ makes them a bit better... I haven't heard the GSM phone clicking sound through them (yet)
"Specs"(which aren't all measured the same way, and mfg's lie because we go WOW 8ms is better than 9ms!) don't tell the whole story.
Which, by the way, did you know you can get a 700watt amplifier from Radio Shack?
No, but 8ms was standard 3-4 years ago. I haven't seen anything higher than that in years. <8ms, like 2ms has been common for years. It's very...odd at the least. I mean 14ms if it really is that could still be okay, but...
If 2ms seems common that is because TN panels are common. Non-TN panels have slower response times and if you haven't seen it then it's because manufacturers are lying or misrepresenting the numbers or you aren't looking at high end displays.
<8ms is crap TN panels. High-end IPS panels (like in ACD, LED or not) have >14ms response, which is measured not from gray-to-gray, but black-to-white.
When I compared a 2 ms display to a 14 ms 23" ACD in store I saw no difference when moving objects on screen.
In short, specs for displays are nothing
Using one of those crap TN displays in the 20" iMac, I've had no problems. Then again, I am not a photoshop professional. As always, different tools for different needs.
Yes non TN panels are slower, but they've been 8ms or better for YEARS now.
No, they don't. Not unless Apple is listing their screens differently from everyone else. I don't own any TN screens, and all of mine have 8ms response times, and all of mine are at LEAST 2.5 years old.
That doesn't necessarily mean anything. 25ms panels can look completely fine for a lot of things, but for other things 8ms panels are noticeably slow (though certainly not terrible).
Some may have list 6ms or 8ms g2g, certainly on S-PVA, but that is often not true. IPS panels certainly have higher response times, especially on 24"+ panels.
Which models do you have?
See those 25ms numbers are probably typical response times and the low numbers they use are grey to grey, you might find they all perform at a similar level. It's probably best not to worry about response times manufacturers list and look at the average delay (input lag + response time) as that is the only way to get the true story.
As for Apple they went with best quality panel they could and the response time is really beyond their control.
The 25ms is because they're older panels, and they are much much slower than my 8ms panels, although not unusable (though I'm not switching back to them!)
This is still odd, at the very least. I'm VERY disappointed in what they did with this panel-complete lack of inputs, apparently it has input lag, and a very slow response time on top of that for a 2008 screen.
I would have bought 2 if not for all those things.
Not on IPS
If hands-on experience doesn't mean anything that surely there's some uber-synthetic-benchmark that helps "reveal" the awesomeness of 2ms displays? >_>
I'm sure there are benchmarks, I just mean you may not see it right away just playing with it at a store. Even my 25ms panels look flawless under a lot of conditions. I mean I don't know, this screen may be phenomenal, but it sounds like it has two or three issues that may be huge for some people.
Limited color gamut
I just went by the Apple store to see this thing for myself. It was hooked up to a brand new MBP. I opened Photoshop and started moving the color slider to see the color range. Stair-stepping in the color gradients (specifically in the blue range) was pretty obvious. It's very clear that it cannot display nearly as many colors as the previous generation Cinema Displays. Just to compare, I walked over to a 24" iMac and did the same test, and the iMac actually had a wider color gamut than the LED Cinema Display did.
Very disappointing.
I just went by the Apple store to see this thing for myself. It was hooked up to a brand new MBP. I opened Photoshop and started moving the color slider to see the color range. Stair-stepping in the color gradients (specifically in the blue range) was pretty obvious. It's very clear that it cannot display nearly as many colors as the previous generation Cinema Displays. Just to compare, I walked over to a 24" iMac and did the same test, and the iMac actually had a wider color gamut than the LED Cinema Display did.
Very disappointing.
Dell just announced two LED backlit monitors in a new 'e' (environmentally non-horrible) series. 22 and 24". The 24" is supposed to cost $379 and draw an average of 20 watts, which is pretty crazy.
It's got normal inputs, but the bad thing is I'm assuming for the price it must be a TN panel. Even still, I'll probably pick one up next month. Wish Apple would get away from their proprietary thing, but they've always been like that
It's got normal inputs, but the bad thing is I'm assuming for the price it must be a TN panel. Even still, I'll probably pick one up next month. Wish Apple would get away from their proprietary thing, but they've always been like that