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3 for 3 Dell LCDs - not a single dead or stuck pixel between them.

2 for 2 Apple LCDs - 7 stuck pixels on one, 3 on the other.

You sure about Apple using the pick of the litter???
 
I would think that, for press anyway, one uses a monitor to get "in the ballpark" with regard to the rendering of color, then run rough drafts out for proofs to double-check what the design will actually look like on paper with dyes and inks. I mean, really--even a theoretically 100% true and perfect screen will have a different look from a paper image due to the luminescence of the screen and what that does to your eyes, and what the physical mixing of inks in color processing does to the final product. Right?

Unwanted glare would be an annoyance for a graphics professional, I'm sure. But for a couple of decades now there has been one reliable solution to that problem: a MONITOR HOOD. Is that such a terrible solution?

So, isn't much of the histronics on this thread really irrelevant to working graphic design professionals? Aren't people really taking the lack of matte screens PERSONALLY, like Apple is hell-bent on intentionally disappointing them?

Man, I should start the "iHood" company, make a classy-looking aftermarket product that visually matches the new ACDs, and cash in on all this FUD.

Actually...
In the professional print world you are adjusting your output device to match the proof that the customer supplied (it's the customer you are trying to please not your ego). That proof is then sent to the press room where they use they keys on the press to match the customers copy.

Ergo. Your monitor really doesn't matter unless you are using a display on press, which at this point doesn't matter because it's what comes off the press that matters and that's handled on press.

For video professionals.
Unless you are supplying a final output for the exact monitor (or calibrated to your monitor) you are producing your video on the monitor you're using is a mute point.

If it's for TV display, it's going to be displayed on everything from Tube to Plasma. If it's for the Web it's going to be used 99% of the time by your cheap monitors.

So, please...
If anyone in this room can show any logic that proves this wrong please explain it. I've been doing this in both arena for years.

By the way... Everyone viewing the Apple commercials from the internet are viewing it with their current (cheap, as this room says) monitors.
 
I just purchased the new 24 inch Led Display in the Walt Whitman Mall on Long Island. The monitor is even better at home than it looks in the store. Its really bright and clear and the colors are amazing. Yes there is glare, but its not bad. The picture is beautiful and pleasurable to look at.

I know the Dell is less but this integrates so nicely with my MP Pro. The built in power adapater is a great touch. The speakers sound really good and camera works great. The clarity is amazing. The display turns on instantly at full brightness. No denying its expensive, but it is great quality. It seems apple is moving in the glossy direction. I do not graphic arts and don't know whether the purist likes glossy or not, but I do know its beautiful to look at.

Very satisfied with the purchase.

I own one too and I absolutely agree.

To the haters on this forum who are bashing this, you are not wrong, nor are you correct. It's simply your opinion based on your (perceived) needs.

What people here need to understand is that:

1. different people have different needs;

2. just because you need/want/think it should include certain features doesn't mean others think that way

3. Apple makes simple, elegant products. They don't include 40 different plugs because 99% of the population couldn't care less. That is their model. Dell's model is the opposite. Both are right and work for different types of customers.

4. These displays include speakers + iSight camera + 85 watt charger + no ugly power brick. Plus, this is extremely environmentally friendly, which costs more. Not one Dell/Sharp/Gateway monitor includes all of that. You are comparing different things.

People here need to calm down and think.

If you drive a pickup truck because you work in construction, do you go to Porsche websites and say the 911 sucks because there is no flatbead to put materials in and you can't tow a boat with it?

No. Of course not. It would be idiotic to do so.

So calm down haters and remember if the new displays don't work for you it doesn't mean they suck, it just means you should go buy something else.
 
I own one too and I absolutely agree.

To the haters on this forum who are bashing this, you are not wrong, nor are you correct. It's simply your opinion based on your (perceived) needs.

What people here need to understand is that:

1. different people have different needs;

2. just because you need/want/think it should include certain features doesn't mean others think that way

3. Apple makes simple, elegant products. They don't include 40 different plugs because 99% of the population could care less. That is their model. Dell's model is the opposite. Both are right and work for different types of customers.

4. These displays include speakers + iSight camera + 85 watt charger + no ugly power brick. Plus, this is extremely environmentally friendly, which costs more. Not one Dell/Sharp/Gateway monitor includes all of that. You are comparing different things.

People here need to calm down and think.

If you drive a pickup truck because you work in construction, do you go to Porsche websites and say the 911 sucks because there is no flatbead to put materials in and you can't tow a boat with it?

No. Of course not. It would be idiotic to do so.

So calm down haters and remember if doesn't work for you it doesn't mean it sucks, it just means you should go buy something else.

This let me get this straight...

This monitor works for you because it "Looks Good with Your System".

If so, you are correct. This monitor is made for a certain type of person.
 
This let me get this straight...

This monitor works for you because it "Looks Good with Your System".

If so, you are correct. This monitor is made for a certain type of person.

Petty insults don't make the other side of the argument any stronger. I bought one of these too. I could have gotten something much cheaper that would have suited my needs, but I had the cash and like the display (for many reasons). Big deal. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it, but classifying people who do buy it as "a certain type of person" just does yourself a disservice.
 
Petty insults don't make the other side of the argument any stronger. I bought one of these too. I could have gotten something much cheaper that would have suited my needs, but I had the cash and like the display (for many reasons). Big deal. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it, but classifying people who do buy it as "a certain type of person" just does yourself a disservice.

No, it does my wallet a service. I can have the same, if not better quality, with many more input options for much less cost.

I'd rather pay money for something that isn't going to be out of date when the next computer and Standard (set by Steve) is going to be legacy equipment in 12 months (as countless people in this room have stated).

If it works for you, more power to you. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid.
 
No, it does my wallet a service. I can have the same, if not better quality, with many more input options for much less cost.

I'd rather pay money for something that isn't going to be out of date when the next computer and Standard (set by Steve) is going to be legacy equipment in 12 months (as countless people in this room have stated).

If it works for you, more power to you. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid.

Intend too. ;)

I guess if that makes me a "certain kind of person" I'll roll with it. :p
 
i dont like these displays at ALL...

first, the black finish they added makes it look like any other samsung screen out there... they should have kept it all aluminum...

second, the display port theyre using is retarded. why do they have to keep changing perfectly good standards?
 
THERE IS MORE TO A DISPLAY THAN A PANEL!!!!!

Such as matte display
ability to rotate
ability to swivel
height adjustable
VGA, DVI, S-Video, and HDMI outputs
Numerous USB ports
Audio out

All this and an S-IPS panel to boot:eek:

Here's hoping you don't choke on the kool-aid!:p
 
No, it does my wallet a service. I can have the same, if not better quality, with many more input options for much less cost.

I'd rather pay money for something that isn't going to be out of date when the next computer and Standard (set by Steve) is going to be legacy equipment in 12 months (as countless people in this room have stated).

If it works for you, more power to you. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid.

This is a strange board. This is all subjective material. Its almost as if people take this nonsense personally. Its a computer monitor. If you think its cool,, like the picture and features, then so be it,, if you prefer something else, there are plenty of available choices.

I understand posting an opinion, but to bicker back and forth at each other with insults over a computer monitor, is pretty ridiculous.

If you cant afford something that someone else can, no reason to insult because you personally cant see spending that type of money.

And if someone buys something because it looks better in their set up,, thats fine to.

All should be welcome to express their opinion free form insults.
 
3. Apple makes simple, elegant products. They don't include 40 different plugs because 99% of the population couldn't care less. That is their model. Dell's model is the opposite. Both are right and work for different types of customers.

4. These displays include speakers + iSight camera + 85 watt charger + no ugly power brick. Plus, this is extremely environmentally friendly, which costs more. Not one Dell/Sharp/Gateway monitor includes all of that. You are comparing different things.

Problem is Apple have created a good display that only a small percentage of Apple users can use.

Not environmentally friendly in power consumption, it uses more than comparable size LCD monitors.
 
Not environmentally friendly in power consumption, it uses more than comparable size LCD monitors.

Are you quite sure? This is a monitor + a MacBook charger. If you subtract the maximum charge wattage of 85W for the MBP then is it still consuming more power than other 24" displays?
 
Are you quite sure? This is a monitor + a MacBook charger. If you subtract the maximum charge wattage of 85W for the MBP then is it still consuming more power than other 24" displays?


Looked a Samsung LCD display the other day, it uses around 50 watts to power it.

A LG panel uses 80 watts
A Lacie LED Backlit monitor uses 55.6 Watts (very expensive!!!)
An Eizo uses 110 W (maximum)46 W (typical) - so probably on par with Apple.

Not a lot in it, but the environmental thing keeps getting bought up. It looks to only be environmentally sound once broken down and recycled.
 
Actually...
In the professional print world you are adjusting your output device to match the proof that the customer supplied (it's the customer you are trying to please not your ego). That proof is then sent to the press room where they use they keys on the press to match the customers copy.

Ergo. Your monitor really doesn't matter unless you are using a display on press, which at this point doesn't matter because it's what comes off the press that matters and that's handled on press.

For video professionals.
Unless you are supplying a final output for the exact monitor (or calibrated to your monitor) you are producing your video on the monitor you're using is a mute point.

If it's for TV display, it's going to be displayed on everything from Tube to Plasma. If it's for the Web it's going to be used 99% of the time by your cheap monitors.

So, please...
If anyone in this room can show any logic that proves this wrong please explain it. I've been doing this in both arena for years.

Your logic is irrefutable, MacOldTimer--but do you offer it to support the argument that the new ACDs are fine for "pro" graphic designer and videographers, or do you side with those who think the cheaper Dell monitors mentioned here are better options? Not sure which way your "logic" swings on this.

I worked for a time with a publishing company and did some graphic design work for 4-color publications (brochures and catalogs). We always ran proofs with an Epson printer and included those with our electronic submissions for press people to adjust color to. We'd okay their proofs before actually going to press.

All of our monitors were complete HP Pavillion pieces of crappola.

I also did event videography for a while, where the final product was DVD and streaming web. When doing web stuff, you more or less have to play things down the middle, as monitor profiles vary so widely. Output for DVD was a little more standard, but color was not so much about dead-on accuracy as it was a series of cinematic, creative choices. I would review the final output on several different systems (conventional TVs, LCD screens, laptop monitors, etc). A decently calibrated monitor gets you into the ballpark.

I suppose that only time you really need super-accurate calibrated monitors is when doing high-end video editing for film output. Then you are dealing with more universal standards of final display (projection).

I do not mean to say, from this or my previous posts, that Apple Cinema Displays (LED/IPS versions) are the best deal on the planet. Certainly people can have personal tastes leaning towards or away from the new design. But the claims that "Glossy screens = Apple HATES professionals" is pretty much hogwash.

Plenty of rich 'n' trendy graphic design professionals are going to put the new ACDs to productive use and make a lot of money with them. Apple does not hate "professionals." They love them--especially the rich 'n' trendy ones! Those are the people who LIKE a new look and eco-friendly designs and will gladly "overpay" for them on a feature-per-$ comparison basis.

I'm NOT a "Kool Aid drinker" and I'll NOT be buying one for myself anytime soon unless I win the lottery. But some of the whining about the current LED/IPS ACD's features is getting a little out-of-hand, IMHO.
 
I'm gonna have to side with the guys who think they can get something of more value for the money than this. That's just my opinion. The Samsung monitors do look pretty nice :)

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I'm gonna have to side with the guys who think they can get something of more value for the money than this. That's just my opinion. The Samsung monitors do look pretty nice :)

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As a monitor I 100% agree. There are a lot better choices in quality and price.
For a docking station, the new LED looks like it'll work for me quite nicely.:apple:

I have an Air and a MBP and not having to carry a charger back and forth to work will be a welcome convenience.
 
I got the last one today at the UTC store in La Jolla today. I LOVE the monitor. It may not be for everyone, but it sure is for me.
 
CRT's, much better than LCD's for colour work, all glossy glass.

Have you even looked at a CRT? I'm sitting at mine here and I can tell you, compared to even non-glass-covered glossy LCDs like the previous generation MacBooks (I see them every day at work), the CRT is much less reflective, though it's still glossy.

It's because glossy only refers to the surface texture - yes, a CRT's face is smooth and reflections are sharp, but it's also antireflection-coated so the reflections are much, much dimmer. I really wish I could borrow something with a glossy LCD so I could make a comparison photo.

It also only has one layer of glass, not a glossy LCD surface and then a whole additional pane of shiny glass over it.

If the glass is easily removable like that on the iMac, I'd consider one for my next monitor, presuming there's a way to use it with a future model Mac Pro.
 
Your logic is irrefutable, MacOldTimer--but do you offer it to support the argument that the new ACDs are fine for "pro" graphic designer and videographers, or do you side with those who think the cheaper Dell monitors mentioned here are better options? Not sure which way your "logic" swings on this.

Thanks for the backup.
The point of the post was not a slam against anyone that is getting one.
Yes, I can afford one but for my studio I'd prefer to go with something that I know is going to have staying power as well as the ability to move from computer to computer if/when necessary.

My SLAM is against Apple. This computer works with 3 computers in the world right now (what kind of moronic logic is this).
Lets say you want to take your laptop to another house or studio and they don't happen to have 1 of the 3 computers it runs on. You're stuck on your laptop.

You're in your hotel and can't just pull out a standard HDMI cable to finish up the last of your presentation. The list goes on.

I'm tired of Apples taste of the day. You make a comment that Apple does like professional designers. Sorry to disagree with you but if so...

Why is this monitor not compatible with the Mac Pro. All the power to run a monitor like this and no compatbility. It runs on 3 laptops.

Apple makes no sense these days and puts out products based on Steve's tantrum or mood of the day.
 
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