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Actually...
In the professional print world you are adjusting your output device to match the proof that the customer supplied (it's the customer you are trying to please not your ego)....

Ergo. Your monitor really doesn't matter unless you are using a display on press, which at this point doesn't matter because it's what comes off the press that matters and that's handled on press.

No offence, but after being a pro photographer for quite a while, I came to believe the professional print world is in most cases utterly incompetent, at least in Europe and the US.

It's not a lack of knowledge, but the way those people think.
They couldn't match a proof with a gun to their heads ...

I could not disagree with you more. Setting aside the 24" LED, the ACDs have given me better color accuracy out of the box.

I've not seen one single Apple display, external or laptop, with even a halfway decent and usable color accuracy out of the box. The Apple monitor profiles are a joke.

I'm using 4 ACDs on different computers, and am quite happy with them, but also had to send back a few 23" ACDs recently due to poor color accuracy.
Funny thing is, I never had a problem with the lowly 20" model.

For calibration i1pro is being used.
 
So true.

It absolutely pains me to see people comparing a $399 24" monitor to a Cinema Display. Absolutely incredible.

In response to fxscreamer, why could you possibly want HDCP? Do you actually know what it is?

I guess I should have elaborated on the fact that it doesn't have support for external devices to be used (360, PS3, DVD/Blu-Ray players, etc). I laughed one time in an Apple store seeing a guy buy a 30" Cinema Display for his Xbox 360.....ain't gonna work. He was told as well, didn't listen. If you can plug in devices on monitors with no HDCP, I'd love to know. That has been a throwback on my buying decisions in the past.

The 2408WFP is roughly a $600 monitor, an 8-bit color accurate S-PVA photoshop panel, and comparing it to an Apple Display is extremely valid. Apple's monitor is form over function, the others are the opposite. Can you even swivel, rotate, or height adjust your monitor? I'm also absolutely dumbfounded the ACD didn't even have HDMI this time around. Seriously? Wake up and smell the coffee.
 
This let me get this straight...

This monitor works for you because it "Looks Good with Your System".

If so, you are correct. This monitor is made for a certain type of person.

Ummm...why don't you go re-read my post.

I never said that. I didn't even imply it.
 
iPhone interference through LED monitor speakers

I'm sorry if this has been asked and answered but I haven't seen in it in the ~300 replies.

I'm curious to know from anyone that owns the new LED monitor and an iPhone (2.5G if possible) -- Do you experience the same interference from the iPhone wireless signal that is typical when around other speakers / phones / etc.? The famous "GSM" noise.

Thanks
 
Personal impressions of the LED Cinema Display

On Friday last I picked up an LED Cinema Display from the Apple Store at Bluewater in Kent, and have been using it over the weekend. For what it's worth here are my personal impressions.

The aesthetic design is impressive, and the functional design is a definite plus in my book. The single breakout cable is most convenient to connect with my new MacBook, which at my home office desk I use exclusively in closed-lid mode. I have very little need of the camera, more of which later.

The backlighting is absolutely superb, as one would expect of the LED technology used. The display is very bright, and at my desk I need to turn the brightness down to around a third of maximum.

The glossy screen? This is a potential problem, but I would urge those who have issues with this, but at the same time do not have personal experience of working with glossy displays, to reserve judgement until they have actually tried one for more than 30 seconds in an Apple Store. In my office I can arrange things so as to minimise the reflections from the screen. I do find them mildly distracting, but then I've been using matte displays for donkey's years. What I do not like is the shimmering graininess of the old Apple Cinema Displays.

What is more problematic for me is the image quality. By that I do not mean quality on the bad-to-good scale, but quality in the subjective sense. I do not like what I perceive to be a shallow hardness in the image. The only way to adjust the screen parameters are through the OS X System Preferences displays pane, and even with the "expert" mode turned on, and after a considerable time of trying, the result is not to my liking.

I bought the LED display as I thought it would make a better functional match to my MacBook than the Dell S2409W 16:9 display that I've been using for the past month or so. Some may sneer at this €250 TN panel unit, but I'm quite impressed with it. The out-of-the-box colour saturation is far too strong, but a reasonably good calibration can be achieved with a combination of the OS X and on-unit controls.

I ought to point out that I'm a journalist by trade. As a writer and editor I don't have the same display needs as a photographer or other graphics professional, but I do require a display that I can look at comfortably for an entire working day (with, of course, the usual health and safety recommended breaks!).

What else can I say about the new Apple display? Connectivity is not as smart as it could be in terms of camera and sound, and you sometimes get a few screen glitches when plugging in. For example, the desktop icons may appear in the middle of the screen, and this requires a Finder restart to remedy. Also, the USB hub causes a sleeping MacBook to wake when you connect it to the display, but without activating the external display. These are all software issues that I'm sure Apple could fix in OS X updates.

The speakers are like those on the iMac, though with a fixed EQ skewed towards higher frequencies. Overall, the result is weak, and I would much rather use my cheap Advent 2.1 PC speakers, even though this means more cabling and desk space used.

As for the camera, I have little need of this, but would still like to have a webcam that can be used with my MacBook in closed-lid mode. Any recommendations, preferably which don't require manually selecting the camera in the applications preferences? I'm asking if there a way of making the system detect automatically that the MacBook camera is non-functional as the lid is closed, and have it instead look for a camera attached via USB.

In summary, I've tried the new LED Cinema Display in my working environment, and come to the conclusion that it's not for me. I shall therefore be returning it to the Apple Store before the 14 day trial period is up. For me it's back to the Dell S2409W.
 
The 2408WFP is roughly a $600 monitor, an 8-bit color accurate S-PVA photoshop panel, and comparing it to an Apple Display is extremely valid.

Apart from the build quality (cheap plastic v alminum), the panel (Apple Cinema Displays use an s-ips panel) and the back light quality - then yeah.

Can you even swivel, rotate, or height adjust your monitor?

This one cracks me up - You can swivel it and tilt it - that's all you really need. It also has a vesa mount, so you can put whatever you want on as a stand.

I'm also absolutely dumbfounded the ACD didn't even have HDMI this time around.

When the new set of ACDs are released, I'll judge then. For now this is aimed at macbook/pro users as it has speakers and isight. Does the Dell has isight and speakers? Thought not. Does the dell have LED back lighting? Thought not. Is the Dell made out of glass and aluminium? Thought not.

The bottom line is that both are available and I've got no problem with people buying either one. Get the one that suits you most - if that's the Dell then great, just don't try to pass it off as the same because it isn't.
 
I love how the new display's look.

I had a matte MacBook Pro and when I got the new one I am much happier. The matte screen looks sooooo old and dull. I do agree they should have the option for people obsessed with having a matte screen, but I love the glossy display... Then again, I rarely use my computer outside so I dont know...
 
I guess I should have elaborated on the fact that it doesn't have support for external devices to be used (360, PS3, DVD/Blu-Ray players, etc). I laughed one time in an Apple store seeing a guy buy a 30" Cinema Display for his Xbox 360.....ain't gonna work. He was told as well, didn't listen. If you can plug in devices on monitors with no HDCP, I'd love to know. That has been a throwback on my buying decisions in the past.
It's a good thing he didn't listen, because you can use the Xbox 360 with a Cinema Display over VGA. No HDCP there at all, eh? Nope.
 
I'd probably buy one, IF it had a normal compliment of ports. I'm sorry, but it's unacceptable for a monitor to not have at least two inputs...at least give us something like full sized displayport and DVI, with the ability to switch between them...something like that.
 
Q: So this is only compatible with 2 computers in the whole world
A: Yes.

NO. FAIL.

Let's try counting.


1. MacBook
2. MacBook Pro
3. MacBook Air

Yes, because 2 computers vs 3 is so freaking much more. So glad you cleared that up, because it makes such a difference.

Holy crap! how could he make such a grievous error?

See, if it were only compatible with TWO computers I don't own, that would be AWFUL, but being compatible with THREE computers I don't own is SOOOO many more options of compatibility it makes it great! What a FREAKIN AMAZING PRODUCT! CAN'T WAIT TO NOT BUY ONE FOR MY MAC PRO!!

Love fanboys, oh love them to death.
 
Q: So this is only compatible with 2 computers in the whole world
A: Yes.



Yes, because 2 computers vs 3 is so freaking much more. So glad you cleared that up, because it makes such a difference.

Holy crap! how could he make such a grievous error?

See, if it were only compatible with TWO computers I don't own, that would be AWFUL, but being compatible with THREE computers I don't own is SOOOO many more options of compatibility it makes it great! What a FREAKIN AMAZING PRODUCT! CAN'T WAIT TO NOT BUY ONE FOR MY MAC PRO!!

Love fanboys, oh love them to death.

Yeah, that's...extreme fanboism :eek:
 
That sucks!

I just brought my MacBook Pro three months ago and now I can't even use a new Cinema Display with it? Apple should at least sell something like an adaptor for all the people who don't have the newest Mac.
 
That sucks!

I just brought my MacBook Pro three months ago and now I can't even use a new Cinema Display with it? Apple should at least sell something like an adaptor for all the people who don't have the newest Mac.

I think they will, or the third party will make it since MDP license is open to anyone. I am waiting for it that's for sure.
 
Found this quote at AppleInsider

Comments about High-quality unboxing photos of Apple's LED Cinema Display

Image quality will need further testing but is definitely better than many low-cost displays with vivid colors and good viewing angles. It's not, however, the exact same display from the iMac: the all-in-one lays out its pixels directly adjacent to each other, while the Cinema Display appears to use a staggered, more diagonal pattern that you can notice when very close.

Apparently the new 24" LED Backlight Cinema Display is NOT using the same H-IPS panel as the 24" iMac.

We must still wait for confirmation as to the panel type being used since no one has provided any definitive proof yet.

Here is the link to the main article with photos:

High-quality unboxing photos of Apple's LED Cinema Display
 
that's just physical

I think they will, or the third party will make it since MDP license is open to anyone. I am waiting for it that's for sure.

That's a license to make a plug that fits into the MDP port. (...or a port that the new display can plug into).

The question is whether the new display is native DisplayPort only, or whether internally it has the ability to handle HDMI, DVI and or VGA signals.

If the display is native DisplayPort only, a passive physical gender-changer won't work - the display wouldn't be able to interpret the HDMI/DVI/VGA electrical signals.
 
The 2408WFP is roughly a $600 monitor, an 8-bit color accurate S-PVA photoshop panel, and comparing it to an Apple Display is extremely valid. Apple's monitor is form over function, the others are the opposite. Can you even swivel, rotate, or height adjust your monitor? I'm also absolutely dumbfounded the ACD didn't even have HDMI this time around. Seriously? Wake up and smell the coffee

I have 4 Dell 2408WFP monitors at work all on one computer and I have the new 24 LED Display at home for my new MBP. The monitors are not comparable, at least when it comes to the screen. The apple is much brighter and clearer than the Dell. It doesn’t even compare. Plus the Apple monitor is simply gorgeous. As nice as extra inputs are, I don’t look at the inputs all day, I stare at the screen. The vibrant colors and clear text are a pleasure to look at. Back to the inputs, as many as my Dell monitors have, the only one I used thus far is the DVI input connected directly to the computer. I will of course only be able to use the mini-display on the Apple led monitor. To judge a monitor solely on HDMI or other inputs doest make a lot of sense to me. If HDMI is a feature you must have, then the Apple monitor is not a good choice at any price. I don’t know whether the color accuracy is better or worse between the Dell and Apple. But as an unscientific observation, I can say the Apple is much more pleasurable to look at. Now the glossy vs matte discussion. Again, judging as a non-professional, the matte has more of a grainy effect where as the glossy is brighter and clearer. Yes, there are massive reflections when the monitor is off but I find them un-noticeable when the monitor is one; unless I specifically look for reflections.
People are bashing Apple for the Mini Display Port. I have to say, it’s a pleasure to use. The cord is thin, non-bulky and much easier to plug in than a DVI connector. My Finance uses and previous generation MBP with a DVI plug hooked up to an Acer monitor. It’s just not as smooth or easy when connecting and disconnecting the monitor.
The Apple LED monitor was made specifically for the MP Pro. It is a great companion. I got rid of my desktop at home and live mainly on my MBP. (Except for the work trading machine) It’s nice not having to sync computers and its great always having all my data with me. The convenience of the built in power adapter and the easy to connect mini display port makes hooking the display up or taking it with me seamless. As it is expensive, you do get a great product. I don’t plan to hook up anything to the monitor besides my computer and I suspect most users are similar to me. People who have never even seen the Apple product are comparing other models. It does cost a decent amount of money, but it also does offers superior quality.
 
That's a license to make a plug that fits into the MDP port. (...or a port that the new display can plug into).

The question is whether the new display is native DisplayPort only, or whether internally it has the ability to handle HDMI, DVI and or VGA signals.

If the display is native DisplayPort only, a passive physical gender-changer won't work - the display wouldn't be able to interpret the HDMI/DVI/VGA electrical signals.

Yeah, I sure hope this is more flexible than just supporting DisplayPort!

I would have ordered one the instant it was available *IF* it could at least handle VGA/DVI, hopefully component and HDMI ports too. Geez, I'd probably end up with one for work, one for home.

It's huge, probably good quality screen (glossy though?), and the kicker for me...LED backlighting, all at a decent price. But...Apple has GOT to knock it off with these absurdly restrictive inputs if they want to sell these to everyone.
 
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