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First 24" LED Cinema Displays Arrive

One thing.

The glossy displays can show finger prints and smudges easily... They can get distracting which makes me wonder how filthy my old display was before I cleaned it... :eek: Like owning a tan or silver car hides a lot of road grime...
 
rjheys said:
Am I right in thinking that this new LED Screen connects to the new Macbook's with a detachable cable?, There is no ports on the screen apart from the USB. is there anything stopping Apple from releasing a different cable with the power+USB+DVI connector on it to use with older MacBook Pro?? Would the cable from an older Cinema display work?? if so I would definitely buy one straight away.
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No, it wouldn't work (even if the cable was removable on the cinema displays, which it isn't on my 23" one) - if the monitor is a DirectDrive DisplayPort monitor (which I suspect it probably is due to it's lack of thickness), there is no way to drive it from a DVI output as it simply won't have the electronics on board to understand the DVI signal.

The only option would be a DVI to DisplayPort active converter (which don't even exist at the moment).

The new Macs can drive a DVI monitor because they are DisplayPort multimode outputs, which include DVI signalling, not because of any cross compatibility between DVI and DisplayPort.

In short, a DisplayPort multimode computer can drive a DisplayPort and DVI monitor, but a DisplayPort DirectDrive monitor only works from a DisplayPort connection.

See The Display Port site for more information
 
I'm by no means an expert, but perhaps someone on the board can help decipher the following comments that come from the original article:

Clintology
Hey guys, I dumped the EDID info on the panel using SwitchResX and it looks like Apple has taken some pains to make it difficult to find out the manufactuerer of the panel.

It looks like lots of stuff is 0'd out in the EDID of this display:

New LED Display:

IODisplayEDID" = <00ffffffffffff00061036920138d9022f120104a5342078266ea1a7554c9d250e5054000000
d1000101010101010101010101010101283c80a070b023403020360006442100001a000000ff0
03241383437303851304b300a20000000fc004c45442043696e656d610a202000000000000000
0000000000000000000000014f400102000000007e2401a500ffff031a1aa8010000000000400
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000057>

24-inch iMac:

"IODisplayEDID" = <00ffffffffffff0006106c9c0101010100110103803420780ac774a3574a9d25115054000010
01010101010101010101010101010101f03c80a070b02d403020360006441100001e000000010
006103011010000000000000a20000000fe004c4d3234305755322d534c4231000000fc00436f
6c6f72204c43440a2020200066>

Running this:

ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6



On the iMac gives me:

LM240WU2-SLB1
Color LCD



Obviously an LG Phillips panel and probably an IPS panel.

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And on the new LED Display:

2A84708Q0K0
LED Cinema



That serial number doesn't correspond to anything I can find online, and I think it's just the serial number for the monitor itself, not the panel.

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Checked out the color profile in ColorSync and looked in the 'mmod' tag and got this:

Manufacturer: 00000610
Model: 00009236
Serial #: 02D93801
Manufacture Date: C547B600

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Clintology
Looks like this a Samsung part and is probably a S-PVA panel.
 
grue said:
The stupid made-up-out-of-Apple's-idea-hole connector.
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OHHHH!!!! It's a bit thicker than just a 19.95 adapter...

Hmmm...

The video signal is not compatible with DVI or HDMI, but a DisplayPort connector can pass these signals through. While DVI and HDMI require separate clock signals, DisplayPort embeds the clock in the data signal. The data transmission protocol in DisplayPort is based on micro packets and is extensible for future feature additions, whereas DVI/HDMI transmission protocol is a Serial Data Stream at 10x pixel clock rate. Finally, unlike the separate DVI/HDMI and LVDS standards, DisplayPort supports both external (box-to-box) and internal (laptop LCD panel) display connections.
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Ok. So it's better to wait for the DisplayPort endowed iMacs to emerge, when ever they do emerge. Well, and then it must be a big trick to get the new MB and MBP to work a projector, right?

On edit: "Mini-DisplayPort video out-put with support for DVI, dual-Link DVI, and VGA video output via adapters (sold separately)" So someone in Apple consciously designed the new display so that it only took in DisplayPort standard input. How freaking rude. I imagine it wouldn't have been a horrible hardship on them to support two input connectors on the bottom/back of the thing. I've got monitors that support both VGA and DVI through separate connectors and yet Apple decides to shut out the entire iMac market by denying connectivity. It doesn't seem to have been a stellar decision to me.
 
Small White Car said:
I saw one a few weeks ago in the store. They look nice.

I need my Mac Pro, so this isn't for me. But if I were the kind of person who could live off a laptop, I'd be all over this. It looks great.
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Same here, which is why I will be waiting for the new Mac Pro at Mac World which they will surely put the Mini Display port on because Steve flat out said they are putting it on every product as the industry standard. So then I will have a new Mac Pro with new dual LED Cinema Displays which is what I have been waiting for for the last 3 years they didn't update the &$*#&$& ACDs :( About time Apple!
 
PinkyMacGodess said:
OHHHH!!!! It's a bit thicker than just a 19.95 adapter...

Hmmm...



Ok. So it's better to wait for the DisplayPort endowed iMacs to emerge, when ever they do emerge. Well, and then it must be a big trick to get the new MB and MBP to work a projector, right?

On edit: "Mini-DisplayPort video out-put with support for DVI, dual-Link DVI, and VGA video output via adapters (sold separately)" So someone in Apple consciously designed the new display so that it only took in DisplayPort standard input. How freaking rude. I imagine it wouldn't have been a horrible hardship on them to support two input connectors on the bottom/back of the thing. I've got monitors that support both VGA and DVI through separate connectors and yet Apple decides to shut out the entire iMac market by denying connectivity. It doesn't seem to have been a stellar decision to me.
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Dell displays currently have both DisplayPort and DVI… and HDMI… and component… and svideo…
 
MacFly123 said:
Same here, which is why I will be waiting for the new Mac Pro at Mac World which they will surely put the Mini Display port on because Steve flat out said they are putting it on every product as the industry standard. So then I will have a new Mac Pro with new dual LED Cinema Displays which is what I have been waiting for for the last 3 years they didn't update the &$*#&$& ACDs :( About time Apple!
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Industry standard my ass. Macintosh manufacturing industry, perhaps.
 
grue said:
ANyone buying a brand new product from Apple is kinda nuts, in my opinion. I learned the hard way when I was young, naïve, and thought Apple could do no wrong. I'm told that there's a damned good reason these displays took so long to ship, and it wasn't because they couldn't buy enough pixels from Pixels R Us.
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I've found that no matter what Gen of Apple equipment you buy, something will have an issue. My last gen 2008 MBP had several that its gone back to Apple for (and fixed very well). I have a new MB unibody that I *love*. Once they fixed the trackpad issue, honestly its perfect.
 
Industry standards...

Yeah, worth the crap it would take to bury them.

I remember Microsoft decided that mini DIN keyboards and mice were passé and look how long that took...

Maybe Steve thinks that he sets the standards now... Would be a good idea but the 'standard' isn't standard when it doesn't fit all their products, with or without adapters...
 
akac said:
I've found that no matter what Gen of Apple equipment you buy, something will have an issue. My last gen 2008 MBP had several that its gone back to Apple for (and fixed very well). I have a new MB unibody that I *love*. Once they fixed the trackpad issue, honestly its perfect.
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Don't get me wrong, no Apple products are perfectly engineered. However, Rev A products tend to have a lot more stupid crap going on with them.
 
Apple will not sold me a separated display any time soon, they are overprice, lack connectivity, why make a 24" display that can only be use with a laptop, when you can have the same quality that can hook to any computer or other device?!?
really, I use to own a 20" cinema display with DVI port back in the days, but now, I don't even see the point of this display, ok it's beautiful, but no rotation, no connectivity, wow an isight, but you have to hook to a computer that already have an isight.

People buying this are sheep.
 
grue said:
DisplayPort is a standard. Mini DisplayPort is typical Apple connectivity retardation.
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It is futile to attempt to reason with "Fanboys" as reason is not a valid argument!

Amazingly most of the posters are not even aware that this display can only be used on three notebook lines (new MB, MBP, and MBA) so if you do not have a new notebook you are SOL!

Will be interesting to see the be-atching and moaning by those that don't read the specs before purchasing this turkey...

Happy Thanksgiving to all!
 
PinkyMacGodess said:
The glossy displays can show finger prints and smudges easily... They can get distracting which makes me wonder how filthy my old display was before I cleaned it... :eek: Like owning a tan or silver car hides a lot of road grime...
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they seem easier to clean actually, since its just glass, and not the actual LCD itself. which to me would be better to clean instead of putting pressure or force and even chemicals directly in contact with the LCD.
 
I want to see this in a 30 inch. Even if I can't afford it now, its fun to wish.
 
Mc Pros lose out

orpheus1120 said:
Not impressed.:D
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So I got a brand new Mac Pro with an new-est 23inch screen - I have one back light out (4+years old). and they don't sell iSights anymore. - I feel like I lost out.

Anyone know options. I like the Dell 24inch - but it kills me to say that.

Plus all this talk of some security embedded in the cable that seems a bit of overloard stuff.

When will the Mac Pros benefit from new monitors and iSight like products from Apple?
 
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