I would like to know what model/type of lcd panel Apple is putting in this new 24" ACD...just as important as a CPU to a laptop. It does matter, and it is 100% relevant!
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I would like to know what model/type of lcd panel Apple is putting in this new 24" ACD...just as important as a CPU to a laptop. It does matter, and it is 100% relevant!
LOL, its like the most important thing to know about a certain display........
Apple is schizophrenic!
I know this point probably gets brought up a lot, but does anyone else feel as if Apple is sort of like a brilliant but flawed and difficult to work with genius? I mean, they do so many things incredibly well but at the same time make so many boneheaded moves! Here is some examples of what I am referring to:
iPhone
Good: The iPhone is a beautiful device, it's multi-touch user interface is innovative, and it's operating system and built-in software is extraordinary.
Bad: Yet, despite being a high-end multimedia convergence device(and even after a hardware revision), it still has a poor quality, limited resolution camera sensor without autofocus, flash, or the ability to record video. Additionally, for some unfathomable reason, Apple has chose not to implement the popular and universal MMS picture messaging standard, instead relying on email attachments which most other cellphone users are unable to send and receive.
Macbook (and Pro)
Good: The new Macbook is an incredible feat of engineering. It's aluminum "uni-body" hardware design is innovative and allows for a very strong, but incredibly thin laptop. It utilizes an advanced one-chip chipset design with a (relatively) powerful integrated nVidia GPU, low-power Intel Core 2 processors, 1066Mhz DDR3 SDRAM, Gigabit ethernet/802.11N (only recently available on Intel-based PC laptops), an innovative multi-touch enabled trackpad, and a new Mini-displayport connector capable of supporting 2560x1600 external displays, and all of this in a sleek, thin, 13" package.
Bad: Despite all it's great new features, they completely drop the ball by leaving out IEEE134/firewire. Although USB is more popular in the PC world, Firewire is still absolutely crucial in many professional industries, used for external harddrives, nearly all professional audio equipment, nearly all professional video equipment, scientific instrumentation and sensory applications, machine vision, data collection, engineering and physics equipment, etc etc.
Secondly, they also fail to include an expresscard slot. This cardslot could not only be used to negate the lack of built-in firewire, but can be as an expansion slot for adding e-SATA, next-generation USB 3.0, video capture equipment, or for more convenient 3G cellular broadband without having to usean obtrusive and fragile USB dongle.
They also refuse to offer a matte-display option which is not only preferred by many because of the distracting reflections cast by glossy displays, but also is important for graphic professionals as the glossy panels cannot be properly color calibrated. Although they do include Firewire and an expresscard slot on the more expensive Macbook Pro, they only offer Glossy displays on that device as well. lastly, they actually increase the price of the cheapest (new) Macbook by $200+ in a troubled economic time as the world goes into recession.
24" LED Display
Good: Beautiful aluminum and glass construction, full next-generation LED backlighting, Full 1920x1200 pixel resolution, Built-in iSight camera and USB hub that works directly with a Macbook or Macbook Pro.
Bad: Even with many existing customers lining up to buy this display, they actually have the nerve (or incredulous stupidity) to remove *ALL* existing display connector standards including dual-link DVI, HDMI, VGA, and even standard Displayport so that one can ONLY use the monitor with the proprietary, Apple-only mini-displayport connector that is on the newest laptops. Even many individuals who own new Apple laptops may wish to connect other devices such as DVD/Blu-ray players to the display, or perhaps may someday need to connect another computer to the display when the laptop is broken or being repaired. I find it very unusual for Apple to pull this crazy move, when it could very easily have just added a DVI port to this display.
Mac Mini
Good: The Mac Mini is wonderfully designed, still widely popular in many niche markets and the only entry-level, very affordable Mac.
Bad: They have not updated the Mac Mini at all for almost a year and a half and it is built with hardware components that are seen as almost ancient in the fast-moving computer retail market. No matter what is going on behind the scenes, there is no legitimate reason why Apple wouldn't at least upgrade some of the internal components to keep it competitive with other new products.
I know this point probably gets brought up a lot, but does anyone else feel as if Apple is sort of like a brilliant but flawed and difficult to work with genius? I mean, they do so many things incredibly well but at the same time make so many boneheaded moves! Here is some examples of what I am referring to:
iPhone
Good: The iPhone is a beautiful device, it's multi-touch user interface is innovative, and it's operating system and built-in software is extraordinary.
Bad: Yet, despite being a high-end multimedia convergence device(and even after a hardware revision), it still has a poor quality, limited resolution camera sensor without autofocus, flash, or the ability to record video. Additionally, for some unfathomable reason, Apple has chose not to implement the popular and universal MMS picture messaging standard, instead relying on email attachments which most other cellphone users are unable to send and receive.
Macbook (and Pro)
Good: The new Macbook is an incredible feat of engineering. It's aluminum "uni-body" hardware design is innovative and allows for a very strong, but incredibly thin laptop. It utilizes an advanced one-chip chipset design with a (relatively) powerful integrated nVidia GPU, low-power Intel Core 2 processors, 1066Mhz DDR3 SDRAM, Gigabit ethernet/802.11N (only recently available on Intel-based PC laptops), an innovative multi-touch enabled trackpad, and a new Mini-displayport connector capable of supporting 2560x1600 external displays, and all of this in a sleek, thin, 13" package.
Bad: Despite all it's great new features, they completely drop the ball by leaving out IEEE134/firewire. Although USB is more popular in the PC world, Firewire is still absolutely crucial in many professional industries, used for external harddrives, nearly all professional audio equipment, nearly all professional video equipment, scientific instrumentation and sensory applications, machine vision, data collection, engineering and physics equipment, etc etc.
Secondly, they also fail to include an expresscard slot. This cardslot could not only be used to negate the lack of built-in firewire, but can be as an expansion slot for adding e-SATA, next-generation USB 3.0, video capture equipment, or for more convenient 3G cellular broadband without having to usean obtrusive and fragile USB dongle.
They also refuse to offer a matte-display option which is not only preferred by many because of the distracting reflections cast by glossy displays, but also is important for graphic professionals as the glossy panels cannot be properly color calibrated. Although they do include Firewire and an expresscard slot on the more expensive Macbook Pro, they only offer Glossy displays on that device as well. lastly, they actually increase the price of the cheapest (new) Macbook by $200+ in a troubled economic time as the world goes into recession.
24" LED Display
Good: Beautiful aluminum and glass construction, full next-generation LED backlighting, Full 1920x1200 pixel resolution, Built-in iSight camera and USB hub that works directly with a Macbook or Macbook Pro.
Bad: Even with many existing customers lining up to buy this display, they actually have the nerve (or incredulous stupidity) to remove *ALL* existing display connector standards including dual-link DVI, HDMI, VGA, and even standard Displayport so that one can ONLY use the monitor with the proprietary, Apple-only mini-displayport connector that is on the newest laptops. Even many individuals who own new Apple laptops may wish to connect other devices such as DVD/Blu-ray players to the display, or perhaps may someday need to connect another computer to the display when the laptop is broken or being repaired. I find it very unusual for Apple to pull this crazy move, when it could very easily have just added a DVI port to this display.
Mac Mini
Good: The Mac Mini is wonderfully designed, still widely popular in many niche markets and the only entry-level, very affordable Mac.
Bad: They have not updated the Mac Mini at all for almost a year and a half and it is built with hardware components that are seen as almost ancient in the fast-moving computer retail market. No matter what is going on behind the scenes, there is no legitimate reason why Apple wouldn't at least upgrade some of the internal components to keep it competitive with other new products.
Does this mean the new iMacs will have the mini display port to be able to accept the new displays? 48 inches of iMac screen.. mmmm.
Pretty new to life with Apple, I'm guessing? If it makes sense, Apple isn't likely to do it.
Hey Dudess - the Apple display is an LCD too....
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB382LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=Mjc5MTYwMQ
Technical Specifications
Screen size: 24 inches (diagonal viewable)
Screen type: TFT active-matrix LCD
Technical Specifications
Screen size: 24 inches (diagonal viewable)
Screen type: TFT active-matrix LCD
It's a shame, however, that the marketing drones at Apple repeatedly call it an "LED Display" - that's simply wrong and confusing.
Anyone have a link to a site discussing what type of panel these new displays use? Meaning, is it TN, or more in line with IPS technology?
Apple needs to stop it with this thick black bezel thing. It looks like cheap plastic. God awful!
It didn't look good when HP did it, I don't know why Apple chose to.
Totally and completely false. It's three.
Lets see how long that lasts.
I don't know, maybe its because they use Glass? So it looks slightly different. You know sometime when you do edit your photos, you play with the settings and it never got right but some people when they adjust the photos, each of the settings look just right. So I guess that what Apple is going for?
Anyway, yeah all of us can whine about the new black border Apple look but hey, they need to change their product image after such a long time sticking to a conventional silver design. Look at how old IBM/Lenovo notebook look. Last time it looks nice, now after years of not changing the looks, many people is getting sick at how it looks (the keyboard and construction is still good though).
Anyway, yeah all of us can whine about the new black border Apple look but hey, they need to change their product image after such a long time sticking to a conventional silver design. Look at how old IBM/Lenovo notebook look. Last time it looks nice, now after years of not changing the looks, many people is getting sick at how it looks (the keyboard and construction is still good though).
While we're still not sure of the exact panel type yet, there are a few things to consider.
I can personally attest to the following, having examined this monitor several times in Apple's store:
- 178 degree viewing angle most likely indicates IPS
- No output lag (a common flaw of PVA panels)
- Definitely not a TN panel. It exhibits none of the obvious flaws
- It looks very similar (slightly better) than the 24" iMac screen, which is an H-IPS panel
I can personally attest to the following, having examined this monitor several times in Apple's store:
- 178 degree viewing angle most likely indicates IPS
- No output lag (a common flaw of PVA panels)
- Definitely not a TN panel. It exhibits none of the obvious flaws
- It looks very similar (slightly better) than the 24" iMac screen, which is an H-IPS panel
Anyone remember the ADC? I thought Apple had learned their lesson...
iMac: 22.4"
LED Cinema Display: 22.57"
You are quite right, it is wider.
iMac: 22.4"
LED Cinema Display: 22.57"
You are quite right, it is wider.
I hear the constant complaints against glossy screens. I understand that glare is a problem for professionals.
But as mentioned earlier in this thread, doesn't EVERY pro-level CRT display have a glass screen? Don't pros tend to use hoods to cut glare when doing sensitive graphic design/color work?
Which begs the question:
How many aftermarket companies are going to offer sleek, custom-fitted hoods for the new line of glass/LED displays that Apple will be offering in the future (beginning now with the "24)? Won't this satisfy all concerned? If color calibrators can be made to work on glossy CRTs, can't they perform (or be modified to perform) the same function on a hooded glass/LED ACD?
Angry graphic designers--won't a hood solve these problems? Or would the aesthetics of an aftermarket hood blow the coolness vibe of the ACD for you?
(I don't have a dog in this hunt--I do very basic web stuff and focus mainly on pro audio. So don't get me started on the demise of FW!!)
But as mentioned earlier in this thread, doesn't EVERY pro-level CRT display have a glass screen? Don't pros tend to use hoods to cut glare when doing sensitive graphic design/color work?
Which begs the question:
How many aftermarket companies are going to offer sleek, custom-fitted hoods for the new line of glass/LED displays that Apple will be offering in the future (beginning now with the "24)? Won't this satisfy all concerned? If color calibrators can be made to work on glossy CRTs, can't they perform (or be modified to perform) the same function on a hooded glass/LED ACD?
Angry graphic designers--won't a hood solve these problems? Or would the aesthetics of an aftermarket hood blow the coolness vibe of the ACD for you?
(I don't have a dog in this hunt--I do very basic web stuff and focus mainly on pro audio. So don't get me started on the demise of FW!!)
It just seems like the Imac itself is like box 4:3 or so like and this new lcd led 24 inch screen is like wide screen 16:9 anyone have information on this?
Or how about they stop being dumbasses and slapping useless sheets of glass on there?
It's quite dumb to assume that all "media professionals" demand matte displays. Some of them do, some of them don't. It depends what their work involves.
I'm not saying they all do. I'm simply saying that of late, Apple's actions seem to indicate they would rather appeal to the people who want a flashy toy. They're removing useful functionality (FireWire) and adding what many people would consider pointless fluff (glossy displays with no alternatives)
not impressed. last april i bought a 24" samsung monitor for $300 (from best buy), and the specs of this monitor are higher than that of this new $900 apple monitor. for that price, i could buy 3 24" samsung monitors for the same price of one apple monitor.
apple can justify selling their computers for a lot of money... but not a monitor. especially since it's possible that apple is actually using samsung lcd monitors in their own displays (i know this was true about some of the older displays).
apple can justify selling their computers for a lot of money... but not a monitor. especially since it's possible that apple is actually using samsung lcd monitors in their own displays (i know this was true about some of the older displays).
The info is on Apple specs page. Both iMac and LED ACD are 16:10, just like any other computer/screen Apple has been selling for the last 3 years.
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so ridiculous... why would you create a display that ONLY works on laptops... and ONLY on 3 specific laptop models which have only been out for a month... seems absurd to me...
If you're comparing brightness, contrast and response rates the Apple won't win.
Unfortunately, that's not a valid comparison. For example, compare the horsepower on a Lotus Exige vs a Hummer H3. Want to bet which is faster?
The specs don't tell the full story, as usual. The Samsung display will NOT be an IPS panel. It will NOT have a camera built in. It will NOT charge your laptop.
so ridiculous... why would you create a display that ONLY works on laptops... and ONLY on 3 specific laptop models which have only been out for a month... seems absurd to me...
Haha, so right.
I am really having a hard time understanding the decisions Apple has been making lately with their computers.
If it weren't for OS/X, I'd be so done with this company.