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So I got a brand new Mac Pro with an new-est 23inch screen - I have one back light out (4+years old). and they don't sell iSights anymore. - I feel like I lost out.

Anyone know options. I like the Dell 24inch - but it kills me to say that.

Plus all this talk of some security embedded in the cable that seems a bit of overloard stuff.

When will the Mac Pros benefit from new monitors and iSight like products from Apple?

The Logitech Vision Pro USB webcam is actually a bit better than the original iSight in a lot of respects, for what it's worth.
 
When will the Mac Pros benefit from new monitors and iSight like products from Apple?

The next Mac Pros will likely have video cards with both D-DVI and DisplayPort connections on as I find it unlikely Apple will foot the bill for custom graphics cards when there is no need to. While I get the impression (no one seems to have confirmed it) that it won't be possible to go from D-DVI or DVI to Mini DisplayPort it should be perfectly possible to go from DisplayPort to Mini. This would allow connection of new Mac Pros to this display via an adapter. Theoretically it should also allow current Mac Pro owners to connect by getting a new graphics card. So you may be waiting until April or later unless they do come out with an adapter that goes from DVI to Mini DisplayPort, I guess they might do that if they release a 30" before new Mac Pros.
 


um, question? With your pictures and the pictures on the Ars article... Is the glare off that glossy screen really that bad? I mean it almost looks like a mirror, in your and ARS pictures.

But seriously folks, this was the setup I wanted (outside of a real dock)., but since I have an older macbook I can't. So I opted for a 19-inch LG, 7 port USB hub (I need more than just 2), and I already had amplified creative speakers. Not eloquent, but it only cost me $300 total.. instead of 3, I have to plug and unplug 5 cables (magsafe, usb, dvi, mic, speakers) - I have my speakers routed on a y cable back into my mic jack so I can record webstreams using audacity. Works good.

I was going to opt for bookendz, but they appeared to be nothing more than port replicators, and most of the reviews put them at dying within a few months to a year.

Another question - for us with older white macbooks, anyway to run that in clamshell? when I close the lid, it goes to sleep. *edit -> Never mind I found an article from 2006 by googling.... Once it goes to sleep, it a key or click the mouse and it will wake back up with the lid closed. 7 months later and I am still such a newbie....
 

Um, dude, that's an LCD, not an LED. Nice try though. If/when Dell comes out with a comparable LED monitor, then you can compare apples to, well, you know. Even then, had three Dull monitors, they stank up the place, cheap plastics, weird smell, and sub-par Walmarty parts probably from some sweat shop. A literal "you get what you pay for." Dull Chumput0rs are the GM autos of the computer industry, junk, utter junk.

And before some Dull fanboy flames me as an Apple fanboy I use HP monitors, which fall in quality somewhere between Apple and Dull, decent, but the quality of the actual displays and casings of Apple > others.
 
Um, dude, that's an LCD, not an LED. Nice try though. If/when Dell comes out with a comparable LED monitor, then you can compare apples to, well, you know. Even then, had three Dull monitors, they stank up the place, cheap plastics, weird smell, and sub-par Walmarty parts probably from some sweat shop. A literal "you get what you pay for." Dull Chumput0rs are the GM autos of the computer industry, junk, utter junk.

And before some Dull fanboy flames me as an Apple fanboy I use HP monitors, which fall in quality somewhere between Apple and Dull, decent, but the quality of the actual displays and casings of Apple > others.

First off, you might want to actually learn what LED refers to in the context of the ACD24. Both it and the Dells are LCDs. The Apple, however, uses an LED backlight system instead of a CCFL.

As for quality? Nevermind that Dell does use PVA and IPS panels in some of their products, and Apple uses crappy TN panels in some of theirs (case in point: iMac 20", which is shocking).

Calling them "Dull" instead of "Dell" is a masterstroke of creativity though, I'll give you credit there. :rolleyes: Do you type "Micro$oft" as well?
 
um, question? With your pictures and the pictures on the Ars article... Is the glare off that glossy screen really that bad? I mean it almost looks like a mirror, in your and ARS pictures.
Honestly, I have used, and still use, various glossy screens and have no problem with any of them. Turn up the brightness, the reflections are harder to see. Anyway, you really do not notice them unless you look for them. Glossy screens color pops! out of the screen, the contrast is incredible, and they are incredibly bright.

Um, dude, that's an LCD, not an LED. Nice try though. If/when Dell comes out with a comparable LED monitor
haha you silly willy walnut head. Apple doesn't have an LED display, either. Their displays are all LCD's. The cinema display, however, is an LCD screen with an LED backlight. LCD's work with a solid white backlight. Then liquid crystals and other things filter the solid white light to create a display. The backlight just happens to be LED vs fluorescent - which is slightly less efficient and contains Hg a toxicant.


On ars pictures, what is censored ars? haha
 
Wow

Exactly what I expected to read in a mac forum.


Apple is the federal reserve of technology. SAD
 
Ignoring the dubious features/price argument, I'm not a fan of the new design - I like the minimalist matte black look.
 
I hope the Mac Pro version of this is identical. Everything this monitor has it everything that I need in an Apple monitor for my Mac Pro.

I just hope it is about $400 less in price.
 
Honestly, I have used, and still use, various glossy screens and have no problem with any of them. Turn up the brightness, the reflections are harder to see. Anyway, you really do not notice them unless you look for them. Glossy screens color pops! out of the screen, the contrast is incredible, and they are incredibly bright.

ok, I just saw your posted pictures and what was on ARS and I said WOW - like a mirror and worse than any glossy screens I ever seen.

Guess when I get out next time, I will pop by the Apple Store and see what they really look like (don't laugh at the way I wrote that.... My nearest Apple store is an hr away).
 
So the mini-dvi on the iMacs won't work with this display? Mini DisplayPort /= mini-dvi?

Lame. Why design a product that omits a large portion of the market. There should at least be an adapter.
 
Another question - for us with older white macbooks, anyway to run that in clamshell? when I close the lid, it goes to sleep. *edit -> Never mind I found an article from 2006 by googling.... Once it goes to sleep, it a key or click the mouse and it will wake back up with the lid closed. 7 months later and I am still such a newbie....

:eek:2nd thought, don't ever do this.... the white macbook hinge blocks the vent - talk about a HOT macbook after only 10 minutes of playing music videos (was not even rendering).
 
So the mini-dvi on the iMacs won't work with this display? Mini DisplayPort /= mini-dvi?

Lame. Why design a product that omits a large portion of the market. There should at least be an adapter.

unless, knowing apple - all new products will have the mini display port, and they never look backwards to existing users.....
 
I love how the glossy haters always seem to place the glossy display directly behind a light source, and take the photo at an extreme angle. Or take the photo in an Apple Store with extreme overhead lights.

FUD
FUD
FUD

Its nothing like that at all, do you think it would be possible to use if it were really like that?

CRT's, much better than LCD's for colour work, all glossy glass.

I use daily a Wacom 21" tablet with a Mac Pro and also an iMac 20" GLASS screen. Candidly I have zero problems with the glass screen. While the iMac screen isn't "tops" on accuracy of colour for profiling purposes, for me it is great looking and 'appears' sharper than a typical LCD screen.

For laptop users the glossy screen is more likely to be a problem as they will have to be careful where the laptop is situated. I can see this as an issue. The 20" screen works well with the glass and the 24" works fairly well with glass but due to the larger area covered, one's line of view can impact the amount of glare/reflection. The 20 to 24" glass finish is reasonable, I would be hesitant to see it on a 30" as the angle of view from each side would produce more reflection/glare.

- Phrehdd
 
they seem easier to clean actually, since its just glass, and not the actual LCD itself. which to me would be better to clean instead of putting pressure or force and even chemicals directly in contact with the LCD.

Easy to clean, yes. My SO is a 'toucher', a person who for some unknown reason likes to touch the monitor. She comes in and practically fondles my 20" Apple monitor and I have to clean it a lot. Well, plus sneezing and soda bubbles make for funky pixelations...

I seem to go through more cleaner then I ever did before...
 
Why does it matter? Is this like the old 'tube V digital' amplifier war? It's a monitor, does it matter? Why?

But then, why would Apple go to such lengths to hide the panel type (brand)???

It matters because IPS panels are more colour accurate than PVA panels, which are more accurate than TN panels.

Apple goes to such lengths because they know most of their users are trendwhore idiots who'll buy a fecal brick in a box if Steve Jobs said if it's good. I don't think they actively try and conceal it, they just don't care about pro users anymore.
 
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