There are 1.5 billion Apple devices currently in use that run on Apple's custom designed ARM processors. It's hardly what I call an untested platform.
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First Arm-Based Macs to Be 13-Inch MacBook Pro and Redesigned iMac, Launches Coming in Late 2020 or Early 2021
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It made a lot of sense to announce some new hardware like the mac. People won't really hold off for an ARM version that will surely be problematic in incompatibility with more advanced application.
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You seem to be very sure that they're gonna stop working. What if you're wrong?
I am willing to bet that Adobe software will be demoed tomorrow running on Apple’s own ARM chip. This is something we can almost guarantee. We have already had Adobe promising full photoshop and Illustrator for iPad, so obviously they have been working with Apple on this transition for years now.
Well, since Apple had newer Mac Pro with not so latest LGA 3647 Intel Xeon W, I bet any Intel Macs can live through another eight years.
Some folks already outfitted with maxed out 1.5TB third party RAM, changing processor with 28 cores with off shelf Xeon. When ARM chips touching desktop line, an outliers of type this user will miss this flexibility so much.
Probably only GPU which is still safe from ARM transition for desktop. On mobile it might be fast and decent enough (iPad Pro GPUs is monster for it class), but AMD and NVIDIA still kicking sand on ARM face when coming in GPU architecture and scalability, even Apple in house one.
Some folks already outfitted with maxed out 1.5TB third party RAM, changing processor with 28 cores with off shelf Xeon. When ARM chips touching desktop line, an outliers of type this user will miss this flexibility so much.
Probably only GPU which is still safe from ARM transition for desktop. On mobile it might be fast and decent enough (iPad Pro GPUs is monster for it class), but AMD and NVIDIA still kicking sand on ARM face when coming in GPU architecture and scalability, even Apple in house one.
The A series ARM chips already compete in performance with 'true' desktop and laptop processors, all the while being thermally constrained in iPhones and iPads. Just imagine how good they could be with proper cooling in a laptop or desktop.
You are right about the motorcycle vs 18 wheeler, where the A series chips are the 18 wheelers!
It’s not going to be a “chip from an iPad Pro.”
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Maybe Microsoft too.
There will likely be a Tiger Lake-H, but I think Rocket Lake-H will likely be a better fit for Apple, unless they want to offer a 16-inch with iGPU again.
That's not me
. I actually use Adobe Premiere Pro and Photoshop a ton for my art classes. I got the MacBook Pro 16 a few weeks ago because I wanted the larger real estate and didn't anticipate ARM switching to happen this soon.In two years I leave for graduate school. Most likely I could end up with a Mac laptop plus PC laptop combo soon.
I beg to differ, when you buy new hardware soon after it has been introduced, it is by default “future proofed” compared to the hardware that it is replacing.
That's not me
In two years I leave for graduate school. Most likely I could end up with a Mac laptop plus PC laptop combo soon.
Adobe stuff will run fine on these new machines - creative cloud will probably be one of the first bits of software announced, maybe even tomorrow.
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I guess it depends on how you define the term. But any new hardware is only “new” until the next big thing comes out a year later. That’s the march of technology.
And Arm rumors have been getting stronger and stronger for the last few years, and once they started down the catalyst road the obvious next step is Arm, so you shouldn’t have been surprised.
Not in the case where it involves a platform change where your device stands to become obsolete much quicker than if it is just a newer version on an existing platform.
As others have joked, your machine doesn’t become “obsolete.” It still does everything it could do before. And in past transitions Apple has provided OS updates for a long time, as have most software vendors. And if they don’t, again, your machine does exactly what it could do on the day you bought it.
let’s stop running around semantic circles, you know perfectly what I mean by obsolescence in this context. We all know hardware becomes obsolete over time, that process is accelerated the moment developers are going to dump the entire platform so it doesn’t matter that the machine does exactly what it did the day I bought it.
If you’ve already concluded that, what was the point of your question in the original post?
I feel the same way as you. The Mac right now is really attractive for me because of the Linux-like tools that make development a smooth experience. Docker running on a Mac is a godsend. If the ARM Mac doesn't even support Docker on launch, it will be unusable for me.
My initial reaction to the announcement of the ARM transition was very negative. I've grown quite accustomed to the whole "run MacOS and Windows on the same computer" and Apple's move to ARM would most certainly destroy this. While the increased performance of the ARM-based CPUs is nice, I'm currently using a mid-2014 13" MBP as my laptop and a 2010 MacPro as my desktop and both are still running quite well given their age. I had thought about upgrading either the desktop or laptop at some point in the near future but this upcoming transition to ARM is making any decisions on an upgrade path quite difficult.
Neither machine is running Catalina because I still need 32-bit app support, namely for Dreamweaver CS6 (that plus my MacPro has been deemed too old by Apple to run Catalina). While Adobe did update Photoshop and Illustrator CS6 to 64-bit, Dreamweaver was not updated. Because I don't earn my living using these apps (I guess that makes a "prosumer"), I can't justify the subscription costs ranging from $250 to $630 per year to upgrade to Creative Cloud (CC). I also run Parallels on both machines because there are a couple of Windows-only apps that I frequently use.
At this point, if I were to upgrade, it would probably be to my MacBook Pro and I would probably go with another 13" but I would want an Intel-based machine so all my software would remain compatible except for the 32-bit apps because any new Mac will come with Catalina pre-installed. My work-around for getting 32-bit app support would be to install Mojave in a Parallels VM.
Because of my reliance on the ability to run Windows in a VM, I don't think I can consider buying an ARM-based Mac. Besides, I typically don't buy a "Version 1.0" product. Yes, it may be great as some here have posted but I'd rather wait until they get the bugs worked out and an even greater "Version 2.0" product is released.
Could my opinion change if Apple were to demo something special on Monday? Sure, but I think that something would need to be truly mind-blowing.
Neither machine is running Catalina because I still need 32-bit app support, namely for Dreamweaver CS6 (that plus my MacPro has been deemed too old by Apple to run Catalina). While Adobe did update Photoshop and Illustrator CS6 to 64-bit, Dreamweaver was not updated. Because I don't earn my living using these apps (I guess that makes a "prosumer"), I can't justify the subscription costs ranging from $250 to $630 per year to upgrade to Creative Cloud (CC). I also run Parallels on both machines because there are a couple of Windows-only apps that I frequently use.
At this point, if I were to upgrade, it would probably be to my MacBook Pro and I would probably go with another 13" but I would want an Intel-based machine so all my software would remain compatible except for the 32-bit apps because any new Mac will come with Catalina pre-installed. My work-around for getting 32-bit app support would be to install Mojave in a Parallels VM.
Because of my reliance on the ability to run Windows in a VM, I don't think I can consider buying an ARM-based Mac. Besides, I typically don't buy a "Version 1.0" product. Yes, it may be great as some here have posted but I'd rather wait until they get the bugs worked out and an even greater "Version 2.0" product is released.
Could my opinion change if Apple were to demo something special on Monday? Sure, but I think that something would need to be truly mind-blowing.
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Docker does run on aarch64... Does that mean Apple can makes it work on arm macos? I want to hear what they say about this tomorrow.
Docker runs on Ubuntu Arm already. It’s not a hard stretch to think it’ll be supported on Mac Arm.
