I know that as soon as the MBP ARM drops I won't be getting the new MacOS most likely. And I don't expect dead on arrival but my school Adobe suite may stop working due to licensing issues.
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First Arm-Based Macs to Be 13-Inch MacBook Pro and Redesigned iMac, Launches Coming in Late 2020 or Early 2021
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I know that as soon as the MBP ARM drops I won't be getting the new MacOS most likely. And I don't expect dead on arrival but my school Adobe suite may stop working due to licensing issues.
Am i having a dejavu moment again? People, stop crying, please. The change is impossible if you do not start it. Nobody cares about floppy disk, optical discs, LPT cable and headphone jacks. Intel cpus are very expensive and not very efficient and their roadmap is unpredictable. Doesn't take a genius to see this was coming.
As an user who uses both VMs and Bootcamp Win10, the move to a Macbook with just ARM will be the end of my relationship with Apple laptopsI can see the benefits for a normal user who uses mostly Mac OSX but I'm not in that category
I love how you just assume it’s just not going to work. We’ll find out in a couple of hours but I’m betting you’re wrong on two counts:
1. Apple’s ARM chips are fast. They’ll emulate windows as fast as Intel chips run it natively. And it’ll only get better. Apple’s ARM performance drastically increases every year while Intel’s performance only marginally does.
2. Windows for ARM exists. Duh. Will it work natively on Apple’s ARM straight away? Maybe not, but Apple will show the world how awesome their ARM is and Microsoft would be utterly stupid not to get on board.
So today it’ll be emulation (that’s just as good as what’s currently here) and tomorrow it’ll be native on ARM and smoke today’s Intel options.
Or... maybe I’m wrong, but why would you assume with such certainty the worst without even remotely opening your mind to possibilities? Sigh.
The term Pro doesn't mean much. The only reasons for dedicated graphics are video editing and video gaming.
Why and why? None of that makes any logical sense that I can tell.
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Exactly my point. If it wasn’t clear, the 😉 at the end of my post indicated sarcasm and making fun of other people here who make claims like that. 😊
One of the (few) nice things about subscription software is that adobe will be motivated to support arm and your subscription will “just work.”
I highly doubt they’re intending the 24” to replace the 27”. I’d guess it’s an upgrade from the 21” and another 27” (or 32” 6K would be awesome) will come to replace the 27.
Yes and it doesn't install Steam for gaming so no thank you
Oh it does... just not that many games to play on
That would make sense. Just a bummer if the first one is 24" since I think most people probably have 27" and would like to get the new one right away.
It's odd that no one seems to remember that Apple came from having a proprietary power pc processor. Doesn't anyone remember how hard it was getting a good selection of software was for a Mac? With this move, that's all coming back. All the headaches of hardware not being compatible unless the manufacturer bothers to recompile for Mac, all the compatability issues transporting data between software for Mac and PC, even if it's the same software is coming back. All the VM softwares out there are all Intel based, with the exception of Android. About the only software that will readily be available for Macs will be the vast library of Android apps and i highly doubt Apple is about to hand the apps store war victory to Google, so there will likely be tons of blocks to prevent those apps from being able to run on the new Arm Macs.
PowerPC was not "proprietary."
And right now you can't have software unless "the manufacture bothers to recompile for Mac" either, even with Intel.
I agree that the move to Arm is largely a financially motivated one. I disagree that this will result in lower prices for the consumer or increased Mac sales. More profit for Apple? Yes. Cheaper MacBooks? No. I'm also not convinced that the number of customers lost will be insignificant. Switching to Intel gave certain types of customers "permission" to switch to the Mac. Will they all stay when the Mac is a more locked-down Arm-based device? I'm not so confident.
I'm not against the Arm move. In some ways, it has felt inevitable for years now. Whether or not it happens today, I'm quite sure it will happen. Apple is in a very different place today than they were two+ decades ago, so perhaps the downsides of a (largely) proprietary platform won't be so glaring this time around.
Lol - I just upgraded my 13" MBP from 2013 to the latest 2020 (i7/16/512). Keep or return?
I'm leaning towards keeping it, but my upgrade habits have now lengthened to 5-7 years before upgrades so I plan on holding onto it for at least 5 years or longer...
I'm leaning towards keeping it, but my upgrade habits have now lengthened to 5-7 years before upgrades so I plan on holding onto it for at least 5 years or longer...
I would keep it because I portend a train of disasters with the new models. I just bought the MacBook Pro 16 and very happy with it
.Well, this thread aged well after watching WWDC. All those people bent out of shape but pretty much every concern addressed except bootcamp.
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I never said it would be cheaper for the user. Those cost savings are going directly to Apple. However, the user gets better performance and battery life so a win-win for all.
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I never said it would be cheaper for the user. Those cost savings are going directly to Apple. However, the user gets better performance and battery life so a win-win for all.
And on an A12Z, at that.
Think what it will be like on the 12-core A Series that is rumored to be the first shipping Mac ARM architecture SoC.
He is assuredly talking about consumer models that will be available for general sale in the Apple Store.
The Dev Kit is a Mac Mini as I thought might be the case. That model will not be available for general sale (though the consumer Mini will likely eventually move to the ARM architecture down the road).
I don't think it was you who said it. I responded to two posts. The other post suggested we'd see an $800 MacBook. I don't see that happening.
Seeing nothing wrong vs using one are two different things.
As a shareholder, I love this move. More profits in the short term. In the long term AMD/Intel will easily outdo Apple in chips.
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Nothing to do with speed, Mac Air will be released with one generation old processor. Apple will not have separate processors between Air & Pro. Pro will get it first and then Air.
Apparently, the fact that they ran MacOS Big Sur on A12Z chip (which is really a binned last generation ARM chip), they seem to be pretty confident and considering how well they performed with Photoshop, Lightroom, Final Cut, and games, it's pretty amazing for a chip that is currently running on iPad Pro 2020.
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I am sorry but you're not quite correct. The x86 is literally what is setting them back in terms of power efficiency and performance. They can make them go faster but comes with expense of excessive power usage. With RISC (ARM), they are able to perform more with a lot less power.
ARM is the future. It's already in billions of devices. The x86 architecture needs to go. We have plenty of compilers that will seamlessly compile any code written for x86 for ARM.
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Doesn't matter if it isn't sold to the general public, fact is, it's the first Mac running on Apple silicon available to outsiders.