Very true on all counts. My only other consideration now is an iPad Pro with the new keyboard. She’s going to college for nursing so no heavy media stuff. Still leaning toward the MacBook Pro but hate being stressed out over this stuff, lol.
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Very true on all counts. My only other consideration now is an iPad Pro with the new keyboard. She’s going to college for nursing so no heavy media stuff. Still leaning toward the MacBook Pro but hate being stressed out over this stuff, lol.
A many have noted, this shouldn't change anyone’s purchasing plans today. The ecosystem today is optimized for Intel chips. So you would be more than fine in getting your graduate a current MacBook. Probably preferable. First gen models always seem to have issues that are squared away later.
If history is a guide they will explain WHY they are switching, and that will include at least performance/power numbers.
I’m excited to see Apple’s plan, as well as some benchmarks!
I probably won’t switch for years, since I enjoy occasionally booting my MacBook Pro into Windows 10 to play games. It performs extremely well using my eGPU.
I probably won’t switch for years, since I enjoy occasionally booting my MacBook Pro into Windows 10 to play games. It performs extremely well using my eGPU.
Both would serve her well.
But with the Macbook you get bootcamp as well for any M$ word style files?
You get 'two machines' in one with teh Macbook?
So, for £1300. You actually save 1300 buying a windows machine and a mac machine.
You get a Mac. And a windows machine.
From the value equation. That makes most sense. Comparability.
Though I'm sure she'd get by 'fine' on an iPad pro and its costly 'z' stand if the work is largely written and research based and the iPad has a mountain of apps to aim at to help with her work.
Many are getting quite cosy with an iPad as their daily driver.
Azrael.
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True.
Most likely efficiency. The same fate that befel the G5 which coudn't fit in a laptop.
Intel are hot. Slow to update. 14++++++++++++++++++.
That won't do for Apple. They have product form factors in their labs that intel cpus can't perform in.
And INtel don't perform that well. They've been rolling out increments for half a decade now. It took AMD to push them past 4 cores and on.
INtel and Mac. They're toast.
Azrael.
iPad 1 with its measly 256MB RAM? It was by far the biggest problem of that model resulting in not even receiving iOS6, while the 512MB-equipped iPad2 received even iOS9...
It was a huge success. People loved it. My family had two, and we got years of enjoyment out of them.
It would certainly be a lot more costly for businesses and individuals that use a single Mac for both Windows and macOS/iOS/iPadOS work/development. It'd mean that a separate Windows PC would be needed to remain on Windows/x86/Linux (virtualised or via Windows WSL).
And remember: we're still in a global pandemic and are going into a massive recession. Which companies are going to have the spare cash to handle this sort of thing when workers are being furloughed and/or being made redundant, not unless Apple intends to support existing Intel Macs for at least 5 years. I'd say it is far too early to start announcing a major architecture change until the global economy makes some form of recovery first.
Hmm.... probably because if Apple doesn’t refresh it with the latest chips while we wait 6-12 months more for the ARM one there’ll be an uproar about how Apple sells years old hardware and takes so long to update anything. 😜
They’re doing the major redesign for the new ARM chips, but in the meantime there are already new chips the current one can take, so why not?
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Yep. You know that for sure, don’cha. We’re so lucky to have your insights and authority here to help us out.
Kuo says performance will be 50% to 100% higher than the Intel equivalent.
Would be nice if I finally no longer had to explain to everyone on here over and over again that Arm (and RISC) have inherent advantages over x86 (and CISC) - it takes up half my day
Because... y’know... you HAVE to do that... 😉
Dammit. I knew this would happen! Everyone kept reassuring me that the new designed iMac would ship within a month during this summer. I knew it was too good to be true. And what worries me is that the 24-inch will be the standard size, eliminating both the 21 and 27-inch. I want a 27-inch at least. I really badly hoped to have one by august so I could use the large screen for studying and writing my bachelor during the fall... Sure, I still want one no matter what, but I really needed it THIS summer/fall where it would serve me the most purpose. so dissapointed.
24“ is still plenty for some people - the 21” is still selling well. But I do agree both need to grow: I’m sure most of today’s 21” and 27” users will welcome 24” and 32” respectively. I’m certainly in the latter category.
But they need to keep the ppi (LG 5K and Apple 6K are both 218ppi). So 32” 6K is a sweet spot for me, but the XDR is totally overkill. An Apple branded 32” 6K Thunderbolt 3/4 display at iMac level quality and pricing would be the ultimate for me.
And 218ppi with a resolution exactly halfway between today's 4K and 5K is 4480x2520 and 23.6". I'll go out on a limb and guess (and hope) it's that. I'll be pretty disappointed if they pull a 24" 4K like today's 24" 4K LG Ultrafine - at only about 185ppi.
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I don't disagree that Mac gaming was already a poor value proposition anyway. I was merely commenting that, yes, it will probably hurt gaming.
The architecture reaaaaally barely matters for iPad games. Recent ones have to be developed against Metal anyways, so even the GPU is abstracted away.
The problem with that is many people want to / are forced to use software even from developers who "don't actually want to be there". In the PowerPC era, many continued to use Adobe products even as CEO Chizen kept complaining that Apple didn't move to Intel.
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Ah yes. That would be extremely helpful for the wide array of server products in Apple's lineup.
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I'm… guessing you didn't mean to quote something about boy scouts?
Super. Not sure what that has to do with me not wanting to buy a first-generation tech product.
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Yo, I do not pay attention nor do any research (aka Googling)
I've "heard" (don't know where from) that transition away from Intel will make already poor gaming selection even worse. Is that true? Aware of the transition to newest Mac OS broke old 32 bit games. Is it on that scale? Or fake news?
How is it not easier to Google this?
Would be nice if I finally no longer had to explain to everyone on here over and over again that Arm (and RISC) have inherent advantages over x86 (and CISC) - it takes up half my day
Every chip today is a hybrid. The RISC/CISC ship sailed a long time ago, and really, the gains of pure RISC didn't last real long in real life.
In theory RISC is more efficient, but just like in many fields theory and real life aren't the same thing.
It will be interesting to see how RAM is dealt with on an ARM Macbook. The max that I’m aware of now in Apple’s A series is 6 gigs built into the SoC. That’s not even close to a starting point with Mac software.
The point being that a lot of time the irrational desire to avoid first-generation tech products merely means you miss out on something that would have been great for you.
Ok, good smart point.
Yeah, feel the same as you! This would be spectacular! I could even pay more for that! 😅
A week ago this was my thinking as well, but if these chips are as powerful as it's starting to sound like, this actually makes more sense I think. It's not like the Air or 12" need more power, particularly. But the biggest thing the 13" MBP has struggled with is "Pro" performance. The performance difference between the Air and the 13" Pro is pretty slim, while the 16" is pretty much double. If they can get 16" level performance in the 13" (or hopefully 14" when it comes) then it deserves the "Pro" moniker a lot more.
13" Pro users are much more likely to welcome the performance, of course, while giving the Air that kind of performance kinda messes with the point of all of them. I mean sure an Air with 16" performance will be awesome, but that makes more sense after the 13" Pro has it, and the 16" Pro doubles itself again, say. Mac Pro performance in a laptop? Sweet.
They have to start somewhere. It now makes sense to me to fix the 13" Pro's major deficiency first, if they can, right?
Thanks for mansplaining to a guy who designed the PowerPC x704, the Sparc UltraSparc V, and the AMD Athlon 64.
And, no, not everything is a hybrid. RISC chips have no CISC-like qualities. CISC chips use microcode to run a simpler set of instructions, but still suffer from CISC problems.
The things that make CISC different than RISC - variable length instructions, writeable code pages, complex addressing modes, memory as the source or target of ALU operations, smaller number of general purpose registers, complex instructions that require multiple ALU passes, multi-word instruction length - are all things that are bad for performance, are all things that are not found in RISC processors, and are all things that don’t magically get solved by translating to micro ops.
Maybe you would, but not many would. Just get two 4K displays for below $1k instead.