The current vette has an even 50/50 weight distribution. Besides, I thought massive amounts of power oversteer was the American way?
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The current vette has an even 50/50 weight distribution. Besides, I thought massive amounts of power oversteer was the American way?
First of you you have to excuse me because I didn't know about the 2016 Malibu. Hopefully they fixed what was wrong with the last one because it is rare for a company to come out with a new design and then see sales numbers actually fall.
That might be very well true about GM and turbocharging, however today GM just isn't doing a whole lot of innovating on the engine side especially when it comes to their trucks. I expect in 10 years GM will still be selling trucks with that old 5.3 V8 in them. Your right nothings really wrong with it, but it doesn't really push anything as far as engineering is concerned. Sure some of this is opinion, but there are many reasons modern engines have moved to DOHC designs and you just don't see new pushrod engines being developed by anyone except GM these days.
Lincoln is a dead brand and Ford should just cut it's losses and discontinue it. Look at all the money GM has put into Cadillac and although they really have a nice line-up of dedicated platform vehicles it still struggles against the European and Japanese luxury brands. Nobody buys Lincolns anymore, nor does anyone even care if the brand lives or dies. Trying to rebuild it is just throwing good money after bad. I guess they are supposed to be building a new Continental, but I doubt anyone will even care about it nor will it be competitive with anything else in it's class.
You can call Ford precious to me, however I'd say GM is pretty precious to you. You will always defend them and as you can see I can be critical of Ford especially when it comes to needing to discontinue Lincoln. There are just some things that GM does that get under my skin. I think the biggest one right now is the whole "Silverado is built with high strength steel" and behind the scenes they are getting ready to introduce an aluminum pickup in 2018. I wonder how they will spin that when it is introduced? lol.
Here is my 2008 Z06.... I love it! And yes, it has an after markey Car Play from Philips. Also - I owned multiple European cars, including a BMW m5 - and I was just tired of being in the shop all the time. Say what you want about American cars, but they are much more reliable than European ones. Ever try to own a Mercedes, Audi or BMW when car is out of warranty?
I hope so, but that will be a very limited-production halo car (competing with the Ford GT) whereas the last-gen ZR1 was mass-produced by comparison.
Then again we've been hearing about mid-engined Corvettes for decades.
The problem is that it turned into a car thread, so it's just as dumb as what you'd see on most car forums.
Here is my 2008 Z06.... I love it! And yes, it has an after markey Car Play from Philips. Also - I owned multiple European cars, including a BMW m5 - and I was just tired of being in the shop all the time. Say what you want about American cars, but they are much more reliable than European ones. Ever try to own a Mercedes, Audi or BMW when car is out of warranty?
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Oh they're lovely cars dude - yours is absolutely gorgeous as well! I was referring more towards technical innovation and the likes, the Germans/Japanese really do have the leap on most - though that's something I'd rather not begin discussing for fear of starting a flame war.
Again it wasn't a criticism so I do apologise if it came across that way. Hope you have a great rest of the day.
You'd have been better served knocking the traditionally terrible interiors. Rather than a layout you are entirely ignorant of.
Notice the location of the engine relative to the front suspension as well as the location of the transmission.
The layout used on the c5 and newer corvettes has fantastic potential for handling given the near 50/50 distribution and engine mass not hanging out past the wheels (i.e. awd subaru).
Don't get me wrong, mid engine cars are awesome (pcar? mr2? lotus?). But your head is up your ass with that comment.
I'd be willing to bet I could rotate my 4100+ lb ss sedan (weight counting my fat ass) around an autocross course atleast as well if not better than you in your superior mid engine. Weight transfer makes an enormous difference in how a car handles.
You should really stop lying. Really.
Not only did you lie when you said that a Corvette understeers. But all Corvettes built since 1997 have the engine in the front.. and the transmission in the rear.. which makes for a perfect 50/50 weight balance.
Its one thing to troll a forum. Its another to blatantly lie and just make up shyt.
1. A new Corvette is damn sure faster, more reliable AND gets better mpg than anything you currently have parked in your garage.
2. The LT5 DOHC in the C4 ZR-1 models is as reliable as any other engine.
3. The LS/LT pushrod motors now deliver 460hp.. 460ft/lbs of torque.. are a compact as a N/A V6.. and still provide 30mpg on the highway.
Its one thing to be jealous that you cant afford one. Its another thing to lie.
They could also only license CarPlay for cars that aren't hideous, e.g. the Toyota Prius. At least if they did that instead, there wouldn't be even more people calling me a "liberal" or "hipster" for using Apple products.
And back to the point of the thread. Bravo GM for being one of the first manufacturers to bring a feature that is highly desirable to many; CarPlay. If you don't see the value, you're in the wrong thread.
Yeah the 2013-2015 Malibu was certainly a step back compared to the 2008-2012 Malibu.
Just because todays Gen V 5.3L V8 shares the same displacement of previous versions of the Gen III and Gen IV Small Block's, doesn't make it the same engine.
Both designs have their benefits and drawbacks. I'm just tired of people using the same tired old BS surrounding OHV engines.
Yes I am a GM fan and I am very critical of GM as well. You don't see it here because I get mad when I see people spout complete BS like people have been. The Camaro is a reskinned Malibu, the usual 'Vette stereotypes, etc. My criticality of GM doesn't show because the discussion never turns towards GM's faults( and there are a lot of them and some you already have pointed out). The discussion right now is mostly countering the BS.
And in regards to the Silverado marketing, welcome to Marketing 101. How many times has Steve Jobs come out and said something isn't going to happen with an Apple product, but the next year Apple implements it? How about Samsung with its marketing campaign against the iPhone? Last year markets the crap out of "bendgate" and then releases a phone that is more prone to bending which made them go on the defensive?
Though I am still not one to say GM's marketing is all that great. GM still sucks at marketing. They can only be consistently good with GMC's, "Professional Grade" campaign. Every other brand, they can't market worth a crap. They may have a few bright spots here and there, but they overall suck. Especially at Cadillac and marketing is at least 70% of the battle when it comes to the luxury car segment. Can have good products, but if you can't market them correctly to have the desirable image, it's as you stated throwing a lot of money down the drain on those good products.
1. You don't know what's in my garage. And I don't give a rip about what's in my neighbor's garage.
2. In 1996, I directly asked a GM rep at a major international auto show why they dropped the DOHC. His answer: "less maintenance issues". I had been a Chevy guy my whole life but then went out and bought my first Bimmer.
3. Yes, as I said, the numbers are impressive, but how much of the power is useable? Yes, I know about traction control, but what's the point if turning it on just neuters your monster V8.
Hey, I never derided the reliability of the GM small block V8 (single cam, 16V, push rods). The engine is legendary. I've owned several, but they never were good for anything but going fast in a straight line. GM just can't innovate beyond it.
The corvette has nearly perfect front to rear weight balance due to the fact that it has a rear mounted transmission.
If the corvette handles sooo badly how did a $80,000 z06 (optioned to more like $95,000) post a better time around VIR(a very technical track) than a $900,000 Porche 918.
Your logic doesn't follow, a Corvette cannot both be a poor handler, yet beat many of the worlds supercars in handling.
Just so you know:
A BASE MODEL CORVETTE (starts at $55,000) NOT the Z06 is faster around a very technical track (VIR) than
Porsche Cayman S ($79,000) -Beat it by 8.8 Seconds
BMW M4 ($77,000) -Beat it by 6.9 Seconds
Jaguar XKR-S GT ($174,000) -Beat it by 5.3 seconds
Mercedes-Benz SL63 AMG ($149,000) -Beat it by 5.3 Seconds
Audi R8 V-10 Plus ($183,000) -Beat it by 3.7 Seconds
A Base Corvette is about on par with a Porsche 911 Turbo ($152,000) which means its faster than almost every porche ever made below $175,000
But yeah, i see, it can't handle at all, it's best left to drag racing.
And just to throw Salt in the wound
a Camaro z/28 is faster around that same track than all of the above plus the $200,000 Porche 911 Turbo S!
A Camaro, which according to most people is just a souped up ox-cart! (p.s. this camaro posted over 1.16 Gs in turn one, the highest ever recorded, and again, in an ox cart)
Ive got an aftermarket Pioneer setup, and enjoy CarPlay.
And daily driving close to 600hp is, well, fun to say the least.
And daily driving close to 600hp is, well, fun to say the least.
OHV vs OHC is not one is better than the other scenario. they both have their applications:
OHC:
Plusses:
1) less complexity of valve train (no pushrods)
2) Slightly Higher RPM due to less mass on the lobe/spring
3) Possibilty of variable degrees of overlap if VVT is used with DOHC.
4) More Valve area (4 valves) per piston diameter
Negatives:
1) Taller, larger motor
2) More overall valve-train rotating mass (especially in a Vee Motor, with up to 4 cams)
3) Higher center of gravity for motor
4) More complexity of cam drive system
OHV:
Plusses:
1) Smaller lighter motor
2) Lower center of gravity
3) Less cams (1 vs 4)
4) Simpler Cam Drive
Negatives:
1) More complexities in valve train past the lobe
2) Slightly lower RPM (more valve float)
3) Can have VVT, but no variable overlap
4) Less valve area per piston diameter.
However, some of these negatives are not applicable to a large displacement motor;
a GM v-8 typically has a large bore (Large piston diameter) so the benefit of multiple valves is lessened as there is sufficient over the piston area for 2 large valves. ( as seen in some high HP v8 applications)
Lower RPM is still acceptably high especially when using large displacement, as less torque multiplication is needed to make power
OHC is better for smaller bore engines to allow for multiple valves for more airflow,
OHV is better in a larger displacement engine (large bore).
Plus the GM V8 is usually lighter and more compact, with a lower center of gravity than may other companies v6's
Trust me, there's no wound to throw salt in. I'm quite happy with my sports cars. Have a good day.
Yeah, you post **** like this, and I'm the one getting messages from mods to cool it down. Have a good day.
You'd have been better served knocking the traditionally terrible interiors. Rather than a layout you are entirely ignorant of.
Notice the location of the engine relative to the front suspension as well as the location of the transmission.
The layout used on the c5 and newer corvettes has fantastic potential for handling given the near 50/50 distribution and engine mass not hanging out past the wheels (i.e. awd subaru).
Don't get me wrong, mid engine cars are awesome (pcar? mr2? lotus?). But your head is up your ass with that comment.
I'd be willing to bet I could rotate my 4100+ lb ss sedan (weight counting my fat ass) around an autocross course atleast as well if not better than you in your superior mid engine. Weight transfer makes an enormous difference in how a car handles.
Nice inflammatory comment. I don't own a corvette, only driven them. My colleague who does own a c5, whom I've been on a track with, is constantly tweaking the camber I the front, the toe in the rear, spring rate and has replaced anti roll bars to decrease his understeer. That's what I have always felt driving those cars, a sense of plowing forward. Hope the rest of your day goes well.