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10.6 is probably three years away from right now, so I think that it'd be feasible to have multi-touch as a way to interact with the system. I don't think we'll get rid of our keyboards with the introduction of multi-touch on desktop/laptop computers because it's probably not practical for entering lots of data.
-Chasen

Ooooo, but think of that possibility. Instead of opening up a laptop to half a screen, it could open up in book format, revealing double the screen space (of course if would then take up double the desk space, but still an interesting idea). :)
 
You are on to something!

First of all, somewhere in all the multi-touch Apple patents they discuss:

1) tactile feedback where the surface gives a small vibration when/where touched.
2) the ability to detect pressure (ala a paintbrush) and attack (ala a piano KB)

This gives the MT an advantage over traditional KBs.

Also, a MT device can be in addition to the display device(s) attached to the computer.

The MT is an empty slate and can assume whatever format is useful (to provide input/output) for the application running at that time:

-- Equalizer KB with slider controls for AV DJ
-- Piano KB (maybe larger or multiple MT devices)
-- An input device for other instruments such as guitar, clarinet and some that aren't even invented yet. (you saw Steve flick the contact list-- imagine playing a rasquedo on a MT guitar).
-- A small, portable, inexpensive MT device that is the (truly) universal remote control-- offering buttons, scrollwheels, sliders, squeezers... whatever? (a quick lookup of universal remotes shows offerings from $129 to $499. mmm... maybe universal remote is the hidden iPhone app
-- a light table for photographer, artist, draftsman, stained-glass designer... cha, cha, cha.
-- a universal game board for Monopoly, Risk, Backgammon, Go...
-- all sorts of medical/forensic applications
-- a gameboy type of portable game (whoops... another button on the iPhone).
-- a universal game input device (ahh... motion sensors on the iPhone)
-- training device for pilots, doctors, auto mechanics...
-- universal/customizable kiosks

This just scratches the surface (heh, heh)... but with MT we have an input (and output) device that can be tailored to the requirements of the application, while, at the same time, personalized to the needs/desires of the user.

With that perspective, the qwerty KB is so 20th (er 19th, 18th, 17th, 16th) century.

I suspect the traditional KB will be around for a while (for us older folks) but the younger generation will be raised on MT devices.

Ahhhh, I remember that patent that recalled the use of multi-touch input for laptops (or a similar device) that would allow the user to change the type of input they were using. Interesting...
 
I feel the same exact way. However, they do say the beta is available FIRST at WWDC. So, I'd assume it will be available to ADC members at a future date, just like previous years. At least I hope so...

Hi. Where do they say that? I'd like to try to parse the meaning. Jobs said "Since nobody outside of the developer conference gets Leopard we're going to release [Safari 3 beta] on Tiger and on Windows today..." - 1:13:10 into the WWDC07 audio stream.
 
I feel the same exact way. However, they do say the beta is available FIRST at WWDC. So, I'd assume it will be available to ADC members at a future date, just like previous years. At least I hope so...

I sure hope so too. It'll take a while for developers to update their apps to take advantage of Leopard's new features. If Apple lets developers have it now (through the ADC seeding program or whatever), we'd have at least some apps ready when Leopard launches. Didn't SJ say there were something like 900,000 ADC members? And only 5,000 developers at WWDC this year? I would hate to have Leopard with nothing that shows off its features.
 
However, I know plenty of windows people who have no idea about coverflow (even though they use itunes) and some that do can't run it properly/smoothly so they don't bother with it.
It's not just cover flow. The entire redesigned Finder is a knockoff of the iTunes interface.

Kinda sad that the iTunes-iPod-iPhone-AppleTV is the only real source of innovation at Apple. The iPod is driving everything else that's going on. The "death of the PC" doesn't seem so premature, does it?
 
It's not just cover flow. The entire redesigned Finder is a knockoff of the iTunes interface.

Kinda sad that the iTunes-iPod-iPhone-AppleTV is the only real source of innovation at Apple. The iPod is driving everything else that's going on. The "death of the PC" doesn't seem so premature, does it?

If my memory serves me correctly the iTunes applications wasn't the first application to support a left Sidebar. Lot's of applications have this layout including Journler and Papers. It makes sense for many people as websites used to commonly put navigation links on the left side in a frame. It's not really the iPod taking over it's common sense taking over. If scroll bars are on the right then the other navigational elements should be either on top or on the left.
 
On the one hand it seems like it could be useful. On the other hand it seems like Apple going out of its way to make the O/S look more and more like iTunes.


It's not just cover flow. The entire redesigned Finder is a knockoff of the iTunes interface.

Kinda sad that the iTunes-iPod-iPhone-AppleTV is the only real source of innovation at Apple. The iPod is driving everything else that's going on. The "death of the PC" doesn't seem so premature, does it?

I disagree...I think your getting the impression here because iTunes had it first. But what you dont realize is that iTunes is GREAT way to test new ideas and see how it works. Because the program is small and light weight, compared to a full blown OS. It's a lot easier to remove iTunes features then Mac OS X features. I would suspect to see more of this later down the road.

If it works here, it can work there.....
 
System Requirements still work for an upgraded Beige

Well that's a relief...

My Beige Desktop machine from 1998 has an upgraded Sonnet G4, "built-in" Firewire (via PCI), 768MB of RAM, and a Mac Radeon 128MB video card.

With a little tweaking of XPostFacto, I'm sure I can get 10.5 to run on it.

Or maybe I'll just get that next rev Mac Pro in the Fall, like I've been planning...

(And yes, the Beige is still my main Mac. You can start laughing.......now.)
 
well it seems to me that leopard is designed to look good/comparable to vista

a family walks into a computer store and looks at a mac and a pc side by side and they both have a sparkly interface, and then mom or pop look at the finder and go... wow it's set up just like the itunes program i use for my ipod. people like unified interfaces, its a common concept. then they go "oh i i buy the iMac i just take it out of the box and plug in the power and go i don't have to plug in a tower and sorts... then there is the announcement of games coming back to the mac platform. Apple is gearing up to reclaim some market share

THAT is why Steve said 2007 will be a big year for mac.
 
Hi. At first, i want to say hello. It is my first post here.
I wanna question about stabilty of the 9A466 WWDC Leopard. Is it stable?
About this beta, does anyone know if it will be soon available in torrents? I develop a software of Mac and i want to release it soon, but i need a version of this beta.

Thanks a lot and great web which i read everyday. Thanks
 
a family walks into a computer store and looks at a mac and a pc side by side and they both have a sparkly interface, and then mom or pop look at the finder and go... wow it's set up just like the itunes program i use for my ipod. people like unified interfaces, its a common concept. then they go "oh i i buy the iMac i just take it out of the box and plug in the power and go i don't have to plug in a tower and sorts... then there is the announcement of games coming back to the mac platform. Apple is gearing up to reclaim some market share

THAT is why Steve said 2007 will be a big year for mac.

Bingo. I don't think its any accident at all that the Leopard Finder looks/acts just like iTunes.

Apple is really counting on the (hundreds of millions of) folks who are used to using iTunes on Windows to become more familiar/comfortable with the Mac as a result. Lowers the barrier to switching. Smart play by :apple:
 
Too many people have been creating these conspiracy theories, that Apple has made Finder like iTunes for x reason.

How about it just works better this way?

I think it does work better this way, actually. But its certainly not conspiracy theory to notice that there's also a very smart switcher strategy behind it. Its called 'horizontal integration'. People who are familiar with one Apple product will be able to learn another very quickly.

Its also part of why they released Safari for Windows (browsing on the PC is now just like browsing on the iPhone and the Mac), though its not the only reason why they did.
 
Server

I disk here says server.

were they giving out server, if so, anybody that got it, how does it work, compared to the rest of leopard
 
Leopard is much, much faster overall - Multi-threaded, Multi-Core optimization, Cocoa Finder - snappy beyond belief!

Good stuff. And I wish Steve had hit that point hard during the WWDC Keynote... probably would've sold Leopard better.

As it was, he didn't even mention it. Or resolution-independence, which apparently IS in there, according to folks who have the WWDC Leopard Beta/Preview, whatever you wanna call it. WTH Steve? :confused:
 
the ibooks only had 32mb of memory on the gpu anyway didnt they? which is probably about the same available to the macbooks?
Its not just the amount of memory available... its also memory speed and how that memory is accessed. Dedicated GPUs have memory that is faster than standard system memory.

That said, my iBook G4 is certainly a bit dated, and its GPU memory is not considered fast anymore, maybe even compared to standard system memory (which is what integrated graphics use).
 
Dock on the Side

Uhm.. I've had the dock on the side since at least Panther. Its a config option.
With widescreen displays it does make a lot more sense.
 
leopard does look very graphic intensive, too bad most apple computer have a very slow card. 7300GT and below compare to 8800 GTX in windows. A total joke.

Wrong!

Over 50% of all desktop PC sales are units under US$500. An Asus 8800 GTX costs $700. Yes other brands are cheaper, but the fact remains that most people spend less for their entire computer than you do on a video card.

I will admit, however, that almost all desktop PCs are able to take a better video card and that there are dozens of cards available at much better prices than Apple's offerings for the Mac Pro. Most of the blame for that must go on Apple for only having one expensive computer with a PCIe slot.
 
It's almost comical that we complain that it's not appreciably faster.

Especially when reports so far have been saying it IS appreciably faster. Every major OSX upgrade I've seen has been at least a little more snappy than the last, and this looks like it may be an even bigger boost than usual for many things.

Why do the Intel macs require more ram than PPC macs for Leopard?

Probably the same reason they need more for Tiger. I'm not really sure what that is though.
 
well it seems to me that leopard is designed to look good/comparable to vista

a family walks into a computer store and looks at a mac and a pc side by side and they both have a sparkly interface, and then mom or pop look at the finder and go... wow it's set up just like the itunes program i use for my ipod. people like unified interfaces, its a common concept. then they go "oh i i buy the iMac i just take it out of the box and plug in the power and go i don't have to plug in a tower and sorts... then there is the announcement of games coming back to the mac platform. Apple is gearing up to reclaim some market share

THAT is why Steve said 2007 will be a big year for mac.

I agree, excellent selling point. There is one big problem, however; that iMac is going to seriously suck playing those new games. With no way to upgrade the video, little Billy is going to spend the next 4 years whining to his parents that he can't play games because they bought a "stupid Mac".

I worked in Apple retail in both the 1990s and for several years this decade and the problem is bigger than a lot of people are willing to admit.
 
I agree, excellent selling point. There is one big problem, however; that iMac is going to seriously suck playing those new games. With no way to upgrade the video, little Billy is going to spend the next 4 years whining to his parents that he can't play games because they bought a "stupid Mac".

The new batch of games from EA doesn't ship until next month. How do you know that there's no iMac update at that point (or sooner) with better video hardware?
 
Kinda sad that the iTunes-iPod-iPhone-AppleTV is the only real source of innovation at Apple. The iPod is driving everything else that's going on. The "death of the PC" doesn't seem so premature, does it?

And what exactly would be YOUR vision for "innovation" in the PC sphere, pray tell?
 
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