First Hand Reports on WWDC's Leopard 9A466

[niclet]

And Time Machine?

No Time Machine's hard drive requirement? I mean in proportional capacity, for example, if my startup drive is 100GB, shall I figure a 200GB - 2 X more drive - to run Time Machine for a long time?

 

[ricosuave]

I agree, excellent selling point. There is one big problem, however; that iMac is going to seriously suck playing those new games. With no way to upgrade the video, little Billy is going to spend the next 4 years whining to his parents that he can't play games because they bought a "stupid Mac".

I worked in Apple retail in both the 1990s and for several years this decade and the problem is bigger than a lot of people are willing to admit.

Little Billy should go on time out! He would be lucky to get a mac! Spoiled brat.

 

[Cooknn]

It would be wild if multi-touch was already under the hood just waiting for hardware. Wonder how long it will take for someone to find a reference with a hex editor...

 

[Cloudsurfer]

I really don't know how to feel about this cover flow thing.

On the one hand it seems like it could be useful. On the other hand it seems like Apple going out of its way to make the O/S look more and more like iTunes.

It's both. Potentional switchers will feel right at home in OS X if the Finder works like iTunes in Windows. I believe I once read on Apple.com that, if you know how to use iTunes, you know how to use a Mac. In Leopard, they can mean that literally.

As for us OS X veterans, I do think cover flow will have some sort of productive value. Preview your apps without launching anything (not even Quick View), I could see that being useful.

 

[ricosuave]

I really don't know how to feel about this cover flow thing.

On the one hand it seems like it could be useful. On the other hand it seems like Apple going out of its way to make the O/S look more and more like iTunes.

If thats the case, what is their motivation? Is it a subtle marketing ploy, are they being somewhat self congratulatory on iTunes success and therefore saying 'if its in iTunes, it must be good'?

Dunno. Someone else here said in another thread that cover flow in iTunes is of very limited value if your artwork isn't perfectly up to date, and in spite of Apples efforts to get the right album artwork to me, its still all a big mess.

Of course, cover flow in a documents scenario will be vastly different.

I guess I wished they had called it something else. My PDF's, videos, images etc don't have 'covers' so the name of this feature isn't even correct.

I welcome cover flow in the finder. I have been PDF'ing for years; for digital document storage. Previewing the pages to choose the right one before opening the app is a welcomed feature. Cover flow always impresses the windowz media player types.

 

[bravedeer]

Multi-Touch & CoverFlow

First of all, everybody complaining about CoverFlow is plain stupid. You are not forced to use CoverFlow, it's there if you want it. If you don't, don't use it! It's that simple. I can only see myself using it for digital images when I don't want to open iPhoto for example.

Multi-Touch is hype. Yeah it has its uses but the iPhone is mostly single touch. Think about simplicity, having to touch less to accomplish things is better than having to touch more. The idea of using two hands to move two things at the same time and such may look good in the movies but it's not practical in most cases. I'm not denying it has its uses (pinch zoom, etc...) but single touch is not only the source of it all, but more useful in general.

 

[ricosuave]

I am looking for my Leopard

http://www.rathergood.com/looking/

 

[3282872]

http://www.rathergood.com/looking/

Omg, that has got to be the weirdest yet most amusing thing I have seen today

 

[dartzorichalcos]

http://www.rathergood.com/looking/

That was good, I liked it. Good job on making it.

 

[ricosuave]

That was good, I liked it. Good job on making it.

Yeah that was really funny! But I did not make it. Props go to the talented folk who created it.

 

[ricosuave]

Omg, that has got to be the weirdest yet most amusing thing I have seen today

You have BluRay? how?


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[GregA]

Kinda sad that the iTunes-iPod-iPhone-AppleTV is the only real source of innovation at Apple. The iPod is driving everything else that's going on.

I doubt it.

They're researching all sorts of interface paradigms. And when they find something useful they integrate it where it fits best.

It is good that Apple is trying to make things more consistent though.

 

[indraunt]

I'm a huge advocate of multitouch and the future of input devices. About 5 years ago I even started talking with a company that specialised in touch screen technology on hammering out a prototype keyboard. Unfortunately I didn't have the $200,000 they asked to get it going.

Perhaps not so much a home-user device. I guess it would mostly be aimed at professionals using a range of specialised software.
Essentially the keyobard would be one big flat macro-board... Any area of the screen can be set up to be a 'key'. Keys can be anything from a normal keyboard - you could even set up keys for more obscure characters.
Using photoshop? Download the handy pre-configured PS layout and you have all the shortcuts labeled at your fingertips.
Keys too small? Make them bigger.
Probably the best thing that could be done with it is load it up with learning software of some kind. Everyone rests their hands on their keyboard differently - What if your keyboard learned from your mistakes? Keep hitting the letter 'T' slightly to the left? Not a problem, the Keyboard would sense that and move the key to suit you.
Tactile feedback can be simulated. Its amazing what sounds can do - Apple's Mighty Mouse using a clicking sound on its trackball to simulate the feel of other mice, and it works.
On top of that, using tiny motors, it'll be soon possible to create tactile feedback along the same way that force-feedback mice work.

 

[TBaggins]

As for us OS X veterans, I do think cover flow will have some sort of productive value. Preview your apps without launching anything (not even Quick View), I could see that being useful.

Of course its useful. Not having to launch apps when you don't need to saves you time.

I was surprised that Steve didn't emphasize that more in the WWDC keynote.

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[TBaggins]

First of all, everybody complaining about CoverFlow is plain stupid. You are not forced to use CoverFlow, it's there if you want it. If you don't, don't use it! It's that simple.

True dat. Cover Flow is only one of the 4 Leopard Finder views. Its usage is entirely optional. Duh.

People who are b****ing about it don't have a clue. It's like saying "Waaah, what's on Channel 7 sucks!" when you have a dozen other channels to watch. Press the frickin' button.

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[Butthead]

While it may suck for some of the later G3 iBook users, I'm glad they seem to have finally put the G3 to rest.
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Pretty elitist attitude if you ask me. Tiger would run on G3 PB's Firewire addition w/DVD(newworld bios?), seems as though other than later G3 support that Tiger and previous versions had, there is nothing specifically keeping them from allowing it to run on a Pismo, as most people with Pismo's already have 256MB or more RAM, T-book G4's @400Mhz had same bus, memory speed as the Pismo, so it's kind of crappy they aren't officially supporting them. Doubt it has to do with the GPU either, and maybe we'll find out that without supporting it, the installer will not prevent you from installing it. If not, then a hack will be needed...XPostFacto I suppose. I did not upgrade to Tiger, because it wasn't interesting enough, but I'm sure there are plenty of G3 owners with systems that are spec'd at the same level as the 1st gen Ti-book who will be disappointed.

Oh well, we have to upgrade someday, and many apps are now starting to be Intel only, so we're soon to be screwed one way or another, lol.

 

[guzhogi]

Pretty elitist attitude if you ask me. Tiger would run on G3 PB's Firewire addition w/DVD(newworld bios?), seems as though other than later G3 support that Tiger and previous versions had, there is nothing specifically keeping them from allowing it to run on a Pismo, as most people with Pismo's already have 256MB or more RAM, T-book G4's @400Mhz had same bus, memory speed as the Pismo, so it's kind of crappy they aren't officially supporting them. Doubt it has to do with the GPU either, and maybe we'll find out that without supporting it, the installer will not prevent you from installing it. If not, then a hack will be needed...XPostFacto I suppose. I did not upgrade to Tiger, because it wasn't interesting enough, but I'm sure there are plenty of G3 owners with systems that are spec'd at the same level as the 1st gen Ti-book who will be disappointed.

Oh well, we have to upgrade someday, and many apps are now starting to be Intel only, so we're soon to be screwed one way or another, lol.

Unfortunately, G3s are getting pretty old. With all the eye candy and stuff in Mac OS X, G3s just can't keep up. Even some G4s have trouble w/ Tiger. I work in an elementary school using all Macs from G3 iMacs to Intel iMacs, almost 100 iBooks (both G3 & G4) all running Tiger. Tiger on the G3s is god awful sloooow! It takes a good 2 minutes to boot. Plus it takes forever to load apps and stuff. While the fact that we use network accounts and not local accounts has something to do w/ it, the G3 is the main thing.

 

[dgblackout]

damn, just do it

Actually, a torrent came out just hours after they handed out the preview at WWDC.
Won't say where to look for it though

oh come on, please?

 

[ricosuave]

iPhone integration

Any developers out there discover any special iPhone integration with Leopard? Besides iTunes sync. Something along the lines of...BluePhoneElite.

 

[digitalbiker]

Hi. Where do they say that? I'd like to try to parse the meaning. Jobs said "Since nobody outside of the developer conference gets Leopard we're going to release [Safari 3 beta] on Tiger and on Windows today..." - 1:13:10 into the WWDC07 audio stream.

No he didn't. It was mis-quoted by Macrumors reporting. If you watch the video he said, "Since nobody outside of the Developers Connection can get leopard etc.etc."

It is now posted on Apple's website that you can get the Leopard early starter kit (including the latest build) with the purchase of a select or premier membership.

I expect the download to be available soon! Probably tomorrow.

 

[oogje]

Hi. Where do they say that? I'd like to try to parse the meaning. Jobs said "Since nobody outside of the developer conference gets Leopard we're going to release [Safari 3 beta] on Tiger and on Windows today..." - 1:13:10 into the WWDC07 audio stream.

No he didn't. It was mis-quoted by Macrumors reporting. If you watch the video he said, "Since nobody outside of the Developers Connection can get leopard etc.etc."

It is now posted on Apple's website that you can get the Leopard early starter kit (including the latest build) with the purchase of a select or premier membership.

I expect the download to be available soon! Probably tomorrow.

Thanks. I hope it does show up soon. The quote I quoted above is not from Macrumours reporting but from me watching and listening to the keynote many many times to get the exact quote transcribed. Jobs definately said "conference", but maybe he meant to say "connection". 1 hour, 13 minutes and 10 seconds into the audio stream. I'll wait for some kind soul to confirm when it appears on the ADC download site (or next week if the ADC people get back to me with good news) to renew my membership.

Unfortunately the wording on the ADC Select Membership page refers to access to "...the latest pre-release software on the ADC Member Site." which to me is ambiguous given what Jobs said.

 

[APPLENEWBIE]

.mac

Has anyone figured out if the new .mac feature (ability to access remote macs if you have a .mac account) is going to be a big deal? It would be nice if .mac had a few "big deals"...

 

[elgrego]

G3 machines

(edit, deleted. I'm a dumbass.)

Question, built in Firewire will probably be the cut. What machine doesn't have that? I think every G4 machine does.

What I'm wondering about is whether any G3 machines will be supported. Apple was still selling a G3 iBook in October of 2003, which is just under 4 years ago. I could see Apple cutting off all G3s, but that would sort of suck for people who currently have a machine that's roughly 3 1/2 years old. I mean, I'm happily running 10.4 on a 400 MHz G3 Pismo PowerBook, and I've had it since the summer of 2000. That's 7 years of current-OS-goodness - I can't imagine how irritated I'd be if I couldn't run the current OS after only 4 years...

 

[DMann]

Os X

What I'm wondering about is whether any G3 machines will be supported. Apple was still selling a G3 iBook in October of 2003, which is just under 4 years ago. I could see Apple cutting off all G3s, but that would sort of suck for people who currently have a machine that's roughly 3 1/2 years old. I mean, I'm happily running 10.4 on a 400 MHz G3 Pismo PowerBook, and I've had it since the summer of 2000. That's 7 years of current-OS-goodness - I can't imagine how irritated I'd be if I couldn't run the current OS after only 4 years...

Quite remarkable to think about it - Machines designed to run OS 9 able to run all versions of OS X in a seamless fashion. I'm willing to wager that Leopard will run on the G3. I have 10.4.9 running on my Pismo 400 MHz also, and I'm looking forward to get Leopard running on it as well.

 

[GregA]

Not having to launch apps when you don't need to saves you time.

I was surprised that Steve didn't emphasize that more in the WWDC keynote.

Something has to launch to quickly look at the file. The hope (and likelihood) is that it's much quicker opening the plugin Quick Look viewer than opening the actual application.

However, it seems that cover flow is showing a snapshot, which should be equally fast for any file type.