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So excited

I've been holding out for a couple of years to buy an iMac. Never any justification other than wanting a nice looking desktop to replace my 2008 HP Touchsmart. Having such a beautiful display is just the reason I needed to make my purchase. I'll wait for reviews to come out from people who know a little bit more about computers than I do before I purchase though. From reading my worries is that the lifespan won't be long with the computers internals, mainly GPU. I plan to get into video editing within the next couple of years. So I need to make the right purchase! Still excited..

Was this post long enough?? :rolleyes:;)
 
I have a question about something that I don't see Mac people talk about very much.

I have a 27" iMac that has served me very well since 2010. I've never had any other desktop for this long.

But here's a problem I'm having. I don't see the text very well most of the time.

If I'm at 2560 x 1440 and looking at something that can be zoomed (like most Web pages with text), I'll zoom in two or three times to be able to read as easily as I want. This also applies to annoying HTML mail in size 10.

If I'm looking at something that cannot be zoomed, then I'll switch to 1920 x 1080 and that usually does the trick, but of course it's not as crisp and clean looking as the native resolution.

So here's my stupid old man question: With this new 27" Retina display, how can I be sure I'll be able to see and read text easily?

When I have the resolution set to be optimized for Retina display, what is the equivalent resolution?

Before I dump three grand or more on one of these magnificent screens, I want to be sure that I can use it for what I do *most* of the time. And I do a *lot* of it...if it works right, I'm sure a Retina display on a 27" iMac would help tremendously.

:)

Thanks very much for any help you can provide.

You shouldn't be zooming at all man ! Let's earn you some comfort:
A - With CMD + "+" and CMD + "-" you can set your level of zoom in your browser as you like it to be (Firefox).
B - Or simply go to "Preferences" In Screen properties you can manually select your resolution and lower it so things will appear bigger and easier to read.

If you can't see the tiny details, no need for a sharp resolution and even less need for a 5K screen !!!
 
I have to admit that I'd love to get one of these, but just for emotional reasons and to play around with it.

Rationally seen I don't understand the market for that. Professionals don't buy iMacs for various reasons and for a consumer product I'm afraid that the market for a 3.500$ desktop (including the required upgrades) is very limited.

And 600$ for an upgrade from mediocre 8GB to 32GB? Is this a joke? And a magnetic disk in such an expensive device, really?

I better spend my money on a nice vacation with my kids.
 
I wonder if the GPU will be sufficient in the long run? I am cautious of AMD since my 2011 MacBook Pro died. Still, this is a different series so maybe these machines will be up for it.

Just wait for Anandtech to do a proper review including some gaming performance, and the droves of people saying that it shouldn't be used for games as Mac aren't for gaming when the results aren't that great. ;)

I'd like to be proved wrong but if this GPU is only 45% quicker but with a massive increase in resolution, when the old GPU struggled with gaming at 1440p I don't hold much hope for decent gaming performance at 5K.

For every day tasks, and photo editing it will be great however.
 
Dell will soon sell you the exact same display, at the exact same price. They just leave the computer out.

Dell's (higher quality) Ultrasharp displays always used the same panels as Apple's, but were 1/3 cheaper, better calibrated, had much better connectivity and non-glare coating. They didn't look as nice, though.
 
False. I have to use the old pages on my 2014 rMBP because the latest version lacks basic functionality. (Canvas, page reordering, facing pages, vertical ruler, for example).

The whole application looks terrible. The text is horribly fuzzy.

The problem is that rMBPs have been out for over two years and there is still no software to replace the old iWork apps from apple. The new versions still don't have the basic functions of the original. So the OP was correct in saying that there are no applications that will look good on this monitor for years to come.

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Not all text. Try using the old version of pages (before apple removed all the functionality). Text looks horrible. Like a badly compressed gif.

So you're complaining about wanting to use an old version of an application that is no longer maintained on a cutting edge new screen? And you somehow think this scenario apples to all applications? Have you ever used a retina macbook pro? EVERY application I use looks better.


Enjoy your perpetual nap. I don't see a 21" in the pipeline anytime soon. The engineering challenges of a 4K or 5K display at 21" are potentially higher. The smaller dot pitch means a way higher pixel density. Such a display is likely not feasible today due to challenges in manufacturing. No one is going to put R&D dollars towards a product with a limited market. I've never heard anyone say, I'd love to edit video or photos on a smaller monitor. Once you go desktop, portability largely goes out the window.

This makes absolutely no sense given there are 15" retina screens and now a 27". There will be a 4k 21" iMac next year. People don't buy the smaller iMac for portability – its because not everyone has a huge desk or needs that much space.
 
One feature I would like to see in the iMac is motion detection, like in the xBox. yes I know it's a bit of a gimmick on a desktop but hey 5k screen with more pixels than most of us will ever see.
 
Told one of my Apple-hating friends about this new iMac. I said "I know you're not a fan of the Mac but just pretend it's a Lenovo, don't you think the hardware and price are impressive?".

About two hours later he text me saying "I've found something wrong with the 5K display". I said "I'm not interested. I knew you would." He's an anti-fanboy.
 
I have to admit that I'd love to get one of these, but just for emotional reasons and to play around with it.

Rationally seen I don't understand the market for that. Professionals don't buy iMacs for various reasons and for a consumer product I'm afraid that the market for a 3.500$ desktop (including the required upgrades) is very limited.

And 600$ for an upgrade from mediocre 8GB to 32GB? Is this a joke? And a magnetic disk in such an expensive device, really?

I better spend my money on a nice vacation with my kids.

The majority of professionals using Apple products are using MBP's and iMacs. So I don't really know where you are getting that professionals don't buy iMacs.
 
Inclusion for 5k display for $2500 iMac is commendable.

But today's top of the line mobile GPUs are not 5k ready. Period. I am worried how fast the internals start to feel aged compared to the screen.

This will be another iPad 3 like situation.
 
Dell's (higher quality) Ultrasharp displays always used the same panels as Apple's, but were 1/3 cheaper, better calibrated, had much better connectivity and non-glare coating. They didn't look as nice, though.

And sometimes they had more bleeding than Apple's. Dell's Ultrasharps do not trump Apple displays necessarily on the picture quality department.

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Inclusion for 5k display for $2500 iMac is commendable.

But today's top of the line mobile GPUs are not 5k ready. Period. I am worried how fast the internals start to feel aged compared to the screen.

This will be another iPad 3 like situation.

They are not 5K ready for gaming. For everything else, they are more than enough. And even on the PC enthusiast circles, 5K gaming is a bit of stretch right now using quad SLI Titan's.
 
This! :)

If only they managed to put dp/hdmi input to that screen(imac).

Still I have to wonder:
"Strongest lineup of products that Apple has ever had."

Meaning: Days since last release:

AppleTV 953 days
Apple Display 1127 days
Smaller iMac 387 days
Airport Express c. 850 days
We would love to see an 802.11ac APE :D

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so APPLE, where is now our god damn 5K 27" inch CINEMA DISPLAY ???? WHERE?! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

You can't drive it, that's why it's not there. If you can't do it with TB2, and you can't do it with HDMI2.0, it's not coming anytime soon. The only way to provide a working usable 5k screen is to build it into an all-in-one, and then the interface between graphics card and screen can be custom-built. That's why Apple can put a 5k screen in there, but neither them nor anyone else can provide a useful 5k screen that you can plug into a Mac Pro or some other box.

It's a very clever solution to an interface specification problem. Avoid it.

One day, we'll all use 5k screens or better. Until then, this is the answer.
 
You can't drive it, that's why it's not there. If you can't do it with TB2, and you can't do it with HDMI2.0, it's not coming anytime soon. The only way to provide a working usable 5k screen is to build it into an all-in-one, and then the interface between graphics card and screen can be custom-built. That's why Apple can put a 5k screen in there, but neither them nor anyone else can provide a useful 5k screen that you can plug into a Mac Pro or some other box.

It's a very clever solution to an interface specification problem. Avoid it.

One day, we'll all use 5k screens or better. Until then, this is the answer.

Sure they can. Dell's 5K works with double DP 1.2 cables or a single DP 1.3.
Apple can do the exact same. Use two TB 2 outputs until TB 3 arrives.
 
I feel like a 4k display will be really underpowered on a macbook pro. You won't get far with it aside from watching 4k movies/videos and basic web surfing.

Well I'd heard the rMBP can emit a full 4K signal via HDMI. Is this not true? I only use it for web browsing, Netflix and Lightroom. I'm not going to be gaming or doing 3D work on it.
 
Well I'd heard the rMBP can emit a full 4K signal via HDMI. Is this not true? I only use it for web browsing, Netflix and Lightroom. I'm not going to be gaming or doing 3D work on it.

The MBP can run its internal display, two 2560x1600 TB displays, and an HD HDMI display. That adds up to pretty much the same number of pixels as the 5k Retina. It runs them fine. Sure, you're not going to be able to play modern games at 5k resolution, but I don't think anyone's pretending you will (nor would really notice it if you did).

For general computing use, managing windows and stuff, the 2012 rMBP is more than capable of running that number of pixels. The iMac will do it that much better because of its way better GPU.
 
RAM question

Hi guys, quick question as I'm not too clued up on this.

The standard comes with 8GB Ram (2x4GB)

If I was to buy this then purchase 2x8GB from crucial, in theory as theres 4 slots this would add to 24GB. Is this possible? Or does it have to be 4x4gb or 4x8gb?

Is the extra £160 expensive to upgrade to 16GB?

Thanks
 
Sure they can. Dell's 5K works with double DP 1.2 cables or a single DP 1.3.
Apple can do the exact same. Use two TB 2 outputs until TB 3 arrives.

Running 4k on MST is already a dog's breakfast, what with monitors failing or half-failing to wake up from sleep and all sorts of other issues getting them to run at 60Hz reliably. How messy is it going to be to be running double TB2 cables? A fudge is not the right solution, and DP1.3/TB3 is not here.
 
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