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Its amazing how people still go on about specs. Hasn't iOS been out long enough for this to stop?

Are you dense? The 1st gen iPad with 512mb crashes often. It's a RAM issue.

Even at 1/3 less the cost of the iPad mini Apple's competitors offer 1gb. This is Apple cheapness.
 
No matter how Tim and Phil try to justify it, the price is just too high to be considered competition for the Fire and Nexus.

Apple's main priority isn't to make a device to compete with the Fire or Nexus. Instead, they want to make a great iPad for people who really want a smaller screen.

The iPad is better than those other devices with:
33% more screen area
A rear camera (and a pretty good one at that)
Thinner and lighter (very important for reading devices)
Nicer build quality
4G LTE options

There's a reason why 90% of tablet web browsing is on the iPad (vs. a 68% market share). It's because the iPad is a better experience. And like it or not, most people buy a device for the experience rather than the specs.
 
I worded that poorly.

I said "get back in the hand held computer game".

I was using "game" is in "industry", "business", etc.

How about "When will Sony get back in the game, and make some good hand-held computers like they used to"?

And by good, I don't mean like the Tablet P.

I mean like the UX-180/280/380 UMPC, Clie UX-50/TG50/NR70 palmOS PDA, the Vaio P UMPC, etc. Really nice designs for that time period.

Walk down memory lane (for some of us):
http://www.sonyclie.org/models.html

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OMG... that's a blast from the past!! I had one of those things.
 
Kindle Fire. Nexus 7 - the latter with an upgrade due in a few days.

Thanks for this irrelevant information, but I struggle with each of your posts to understand why *you* hang out in an Apple-oriented forum. I've yet to see you say *one* nice thing about Apple (for years) or its products and it's beyond annoying. Some would say these posts of yours are classic troll behaviours, but I refuse to believe that about you. Please prove these others wrong and say one thing that would warrant your hanging out in an Apple product oriented rumour site, devoted to people who love Apple products.

I recently looked back an entire page of your posts, and just what I always knew about you is that you are so *********g negative about anyone that isn't M$haft up and down.

One thing. Just one positive thing that Apple product loving people wouldn't find offensive and would be nice to hear. Challenge of attitudes is one thing, but outright bias is another entirely, and it's disgusting and it's called bigotry. Prove you are not that.
 
you USE your iphone with 1 hand.

I use my iPhone with 2 hands.
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At the risk of repeating myself:

iPad mini 32GB: $429
iPod touch 32GB $299

The iPad mini is over 43% more expensive for the same storage option.

That's absolutely right...as far as it goes...
But you are also paying for a larger screen.
Here's the thing- for some people, the touch is perfect.
For some people, the iPad 4 is perfect.
And for some other people, the iPad Mini is perfect. It truly depends upon your desired use.
It never ceases to amaze me how some folks on MR (not speaking about you, kalsta) think that THEIR way is the only way and that they are, somehow, "right" while those who disagree with them are "wrong".
People have different needs and desires here.
This adds an additional option.
 
If bigger always equals better according to (fat olol i'm edgy) society,

"olol" isnt edgy.

If bigger always equals better

it doesnt.

If bigger always equals better according to (fat olol i'm edgy) society,

Hence i asked why. Implying a less than ideal bias. (mostly particular to a "certain society")

then why do we pay a premium for miniaturization?

Harder to manufacture; alot of times more practical in alot of instances.

Hell, why release the Mini at all if that were the case?

This is what Jobs said. I'm wondering the same thing myself. ..though perhaps not so much wondering why release one, as why buy one. But i guess luxury isnt a matter of necessity.

Bigger is better when you're reading or typing something.

you cant "type" on this thing (outside of slow one finger peck), much more unlike the iPad. Overwhelming majority of people anyway (~90%). Touch typing is no more; you are probably faster learning to thumb type on a screen like iPhones than this.

It isnt "big" enuff.

The iPhone is great for looking something up quickly, but it's not something you'd want to use for extended amounts of time unless you had to.

it is probably a much better reader than this. Again, research is showing reading small text/type, as long as you dont strain, is whats best for eye sight; people have even IMPROVED their eyesight like this and there is increasing anecdotal evidence. Plus the added weight difference in lightness which is better for health of hands, etc.

Reading books and browsing the internet will be much easier on an iPad Mini than they would be on the iPod Touch.

Read above. No.

It's a better general usage device altogether.

debatable
 
i have nexus 7. and im regretting it. its been like 2months now im not using it. its too small.. the webpage seems not right and being an S3 user, everything is like blowup. phil schiller is right.
 
Yep. People keep forgetting that those who want iPod Touch really want a pocket-sized unit. That is the most important thing.

I'll be curious to see how well the iPad mini can still handle typing. I can do it pretty darn fast on an iPad. Not laptop fast, but definitely quite a few times faster than I can do on a pocket device. I wonder if the size difference is enough to throw me off. Of course, for most web searches, nowadays, I just use voice dictation.
 
Are you dense? The 1st gen iPad with 512mb crashes often. It's a RAM issue.

Even at 1/3 less the cost of the iPad mini Apple's competitors offer 1gb. This is Apple cheapness.

The reason it crashes is most developers aren't careful enough about memory management or do not understand it so therefore aren't releasing memory when it's not needed and hogging all the RAM which also impacts other apps.

Having said that 1GB should be pretty standard now but if most developers knew what they were doing it would be less of an issue.
 
Here's what the Verge says regarding build quality. Too bad Phil didn't spend more time on that.

"Like most Apple products, the build of the smaller tablet is excellent, easily surpassing the competition on the market. By comparison, the Nexus 7 and Fire HD feel like toys. Other manufacturers are going to have to up their game with this product in town. It’s just a striking difference in materials and solidness."
 
it is probably a much better reader than this. Again, research is showing reading small text/type, as long as you dont strain, is whats best for eye sight; people have even IMPROVED their eyesight like this and there is increasing anecdotal evidence. Plus the added weight difference in lightness which is better for health of hands, etc.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that reading small text on a backlit screen improves eyesight, regardless of the resolution the text is displayed at.

Were that the case, people who read books would have eyes like an eagle. I mean they spend years at a time staring at printed text that's not tied to any resolution, and isn't shining a bright light directly at your face.

All this time so called experts have been telling us to take regular extended braeks from our CRT and LCD monitors every hour. Yet somehow a retina LCD display improves your eyes. It might...might help with focus, but I doubt it's actually good for you.

And the added weight? What does the Mini weigh? A little over half a pound? It's surely heavier than the touch, but I doubt it even comes close to weighing as much as your average Stephen King hardcover....which people have been reading for years.

The lighter touch might be better for the health of your hands overall, but I bet the difference is so small, it's barely make a measurable difference even over a span of years.

And even if it's overall better for you, I don't think it'd be nearly as comfortable to use. Yeah, I can read webpages and books on my iPhone. I'd rather much read them on my iPad. Why? Larger screen. It's the "immersion" experience. I can, in fact, navigate through webpages easier with it. I have more room to maneuver, larger links, more space between text, bigger targets to hit with my finger.

Now I can't account for all tastes, nor can I say the Mini is the perfect for everyone in the world, but overall, it is a more comfortable device to use.

After all, if it weren't, why would Apple waste their time releasing the iPad?

Miniaturization...Harder to manufacture; alot of times more practical in alot of instances.

But if fat society rejects it (I guess because it ain't got a Hemi innit), then why bother with it at all? Why make a smaller iPad? Why not make a 15 inch one? Your logic isn't making sense here.

Anyway...I await your response.
 
I have poor eyesight, so a bigger screen with less pixel density puts less strain on my eyes than a smaller screen with more pixel density. I wouldn't be surprised if the iPad mini was already "retina" at my viewing distance while reading.

But wait a second; does this mean that people with poor eyesight are less prone to eye strain? :eek: :)

NO, if you have poor eye sight that means u SHOULD be tryin to read clear, smaller text. Its counter-intuitive. What you said is the opposite; a bigger screen with less pixel density is FAR worse. Hence the iphone has a retina screen (allowing you to hold it closer without visible pixelization/fuzz).

You view the small text at a distance where it is visible without needing to strain to see it, even if it is blurry to you as long as you arent squintin/straining to make it out, etc.; this is what is being discovered as best. When the text itself is blurry (due to pixel density) it is compoundin the situation.
 
Are you dense? The 1st gen iPad with 512mb crashes often. It's a RAM issue.

Really? Why are you so sure it's a RAM issue? I'm not saying it's not, but I was a programmer and a QA engineer, and the last thing I'd ever claim is that programme crashes are because of RAM deficiencies.
 
Bigotry doesn't apply only to things with feelings.

[BTW, a small and minor correction is that my name is William. :) ]

Eh. Bigotry is just too strong a word to use in that regard. I'd have to really stretch to think of someone who hates the iPhone as an Apple bigot.

And yeah, I called you Will cuz it added a nice snap at the end. :p

thetruest said:

Where in the hell are you people getting this information? It's not the small screen that does it, it's the resolution itself. Higher resolution allows for crisper text, and is thus easier on the eyes, but it's not some miraculous thing that makes the difference between future nearsightedness and seeing a gnat on someone's nose from 500 yards away.

Big screen or small, high resolution is high resolution. A retina iPhone isn't inherently better on your eyes than a retina iPad simply because the screen and text are smaller.
 
ipad mini

I now see how innovation works at Apple since Steve Jobs has died.

"We need innovation in the iPhone! Do it now!"
---"We'll make it bigger!"
"Brilliant! Magical!"

"We need innovation in the iPad! Do it now!"
---"Well... it worked for the iphone, but lets make this smaller!"
"Brilliant! Magical!"

steve jobs on small ipad it will be fail
I'd like to comment on the avalanche of tablets poised to enter the market in the coming months. First, it appears to be just a handful of credible entrants, not exactly an avalanche. Second, almost all of them use seven-inch screens as compared to iPad's near 10-inch screen. Let's start there. One naturally thinks that a seven-inch screen would offer 70% of the benefits of a 10-inch screen. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. The screen measurements are diagonal, so that a seven-inch screen is only 45% as large as iPad's 10-inch screen. You heard me right; just 45% as large.

If you take an iPad and hold it upright in portrait view and draw an imaginary horizontal line halfway down the screen, the screens on the seven-inch tablets are a bit smaller than the bottom half of the iPad display. This size isn't sufficient to create great tablet apps in our opinion.

Where are the magical stuff on Pipeline I DONT SEE NON!!
When iPhone 5 came out I went to the store and by unlocked iphone 4S !
 
price-wise you can look at it this way. Amazon and Google are selling their tablets at or below cost to try to get you into their ecosystem. Amazon makes $ off their book and wallmart monoploy model, Google via selling you to advertisers. Apple makes money off their hardware profit margins up front. So Apple will probably always be more, esepcially since google and Amazon are desperate to gain marketshare. So yes...the initial "bargain" is probably one of those tablets. So go ahead, buy a tablet that has no apps, poor security, will be abandoned in a year for OS updates, and spams you with ads.



Are you telling me that Apple doesn't make money off selling books/music/movies/videos/books?
 
Are you dense? The 1st gen iPad with 512mb crashes often. It's a RAM issue.

Even at 1/3 less the cost of the iPad mini Apple's competitors offer 1gb. This is Apple cheapness.

The first gen had 256 MB of RAM. 512 is great, considering the iPhone 4S had that much as well.

That said, I'm looking forward to seeing how the iPad mini plays out. I won't be getting one, I still want a new touch instead.
 
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