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Eh. Bigotry is just too strong a word to use in that regard. I'd have to really stretch to think of someone who hates the iPhone as an Apple bigot.

With this one in particular it's more than just the iPhone, but regardless, it's applicable. The word means exactly how I intended it to be used.

And yeah, I called you Will cuz it added a nice snap at the end. :p .

:)

Please, understand I received it as nothing offensive (though people can intend it to be such), in fact I know I'm sure it was quite the opposite, which is why I tried in every way to ensure you wouldn't be upset or offended at any clarification, but to me it's like calling President Obama, Ba; or Mitt Romney, Mi. I know it may not seem the same given how the name 'William' gets shortened a lot, but to me it is; my parents gave me this wonderful name and I love it as it is stated on my birth certificate, full and not shortened, even for endearing reasons. But that is a total aside, and nothing related to the topic of this excellent and much more interesting and hugely more important :) conversation (i.e the iPad mini).
 
Are you telling me that Apple doesn't make money off selling books/music/movies/videos/books?

Irrelevant. A "loss leader" can actually earn a profit, but the concept is the same whether it earns profit or not, it's all about the "lure" into what the company wants you to buy. With Google, Amazon and Barnes and Noble, it's all about offering their tablets at cheap prices to entice you to buy them, so you will buy content from them once you own one of their devices. With Apple, it's the exact opposite, it's all about enticing you to buy a product of theirs that has a rich ecosystem that will augment the value of the hardware you purchased from them.

In other words, Apples earns the huge bulk of their profits from the sale of their hardware. Amazon and others earn their profit not from the hardware, but rather from the content they sell to enjoy on the hardware they sell. This is completely flipped to Apple's business model. Whether one earns any profit from one of their loss leaders is irrelevant, a loss leader is conceptual and Apple uses a different one from Amazon, B&N and Google.
 
I think I will finally be buying an iPad! ... the entry level mini. Looks very impressive.
 
price-wise you can look at it this way. Amazon and Google are selling their tablets at or below cost to try to get you into their ecosystem. Amazon makes $ off their book and wallmart monoploy model, Google via selling you to advertisers. Apple makes money off their hardware profit margins up front. So Apple will probably always be more, esepcially since google and Amazon are desperate to gain marketshare. So yes...the initial "bargain" is probably one of those tablets. So go ahead, buy a tablet that has no apps, poor security, will be abandoned in a year for OS updates, and spams you with ads.

Last I checked, the Nexus has thousands upon thousands of apps. Not that I want one of those, either. I just can't understand who doesn't look at this vs. an iPad 2 and opt for the 2 every time. For what...$70 more? And what in a few weeks when the marked is flooded with 4s and minis? You'll probably be able to get a new 2 for LESS than a mini.

It's just the cult of the new, in my opinion.
 
Please, understand I received it as nothing offensive (though people can intend it to be such), in fact I know I'm sure it was quite the opposite, which is why I tried in every way to ensure you wouldn't be upset or offended at any clarification, but to me it's like calling President Obama, Ba; or Mitt Romney, Mi. I know it may not seem the same given how the name 'William' gets shortened a lot, but to me it is; my parents gave me this wonderful name and I love it as it is stated on my birth certificate, full and not shortened, even for endearing reasons. But that is a total aside, and nothing related to the topic of this excellent and much more interesting and hugely more important :) conversation (i.e the iPad mini).

You're the complete opposite of me. There's no way in hell I'd want people walking around calling me Matthew. It'd be enough to drive me to kill. :p

And yes, now back to iPad.
 
Pretty obvious. Kids. Education. The full size iPad is too big for grade and middle school kids. You're going to see a lot of school systems buying large quantities of iPad minis. It's pretty obvious from some of the education references made in today's presentation that Apple takes this market very seriously.

What I don't understand is what some people were expecting? Seriously, it was going to be a smaller iPad. What else did you think it would do? Raise the dead?

Smaller people in general will probably appreciate having the choice. The overall experience isn't compromised but the hardware is more manageable in the hand. And let's not forget women. They carry handbags. The iPad is too big to fit, but the iPad mini...

My little girl is 2 1/2 and uses my iPad 1 to play educational apps. All. The. Time. It's not too big and heavy for her.
 
Well, I'm a man and it will fit very nicely in my backpack, next to my tampons & birth control pills.

I'm sorry to respond this way to you, perhaps you're genuinely interested in getting someone you love a really nice device, but this device is not gender oriented, and I just find so offensive any comments relating in any way size of device (or usage, as if a man can't read a frigging ebook) to gender.
A bit dim of a response if you aske me. The person you were responding to simply stated a fact about his wife. SHE would like it because SHE could fit it in her handbag.... what's wrong with saying that? Lighten up ffs.

My little girl is 2 1/2 and uses my iPad 1 to play educational apps. All. The. Time. It's not too big and heavy for her.
I somehow doubt that she is using it in the same manner a grade schooler would use it in daily actvities.
 
My little girl is 2 1/2 and uses my iPad 1 to play educational apps. All. The. Time. It's not too big and heavy for her.

The insecure male iPad owners really have this backwards.

When you put the mimi next to the current iPad, it will become immediately obvious which one is the children's version. One will have extra large and easy hit buttons for those with not quite fully developed coordination. One will have larger text and pictures just like "See Spot Run!". And one will have nice large bezels all the way around it to make it oh so easy to grab on to.

Plain as day I tell you .... :p
 
I find Netflix much easier to watch on the new iPhone 5 than my 1st gen iPad. My guess is that the iPad Mini will hit that sweet spot of being a hand-held entertainment device, especially if it's as light as the reports say.
 
A bit dim of a response if you aske me. The person you were responding to simply stated a fact about his wife. SHE would like it because SHE could fit it in her handbag.... what's wrong with saying that? Lighten up ffs..

Well, "ffs," I'd say you misunderstood my entire post, unless perhaps you took it much too personally, which I would suggest is a bit egotistical of you. But that would be stupid of me to think that of you, wouldn't it?! :p

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You're the complete opposite of me. There's no way in hell I'd want people walking around calling me Matthew. It'd be enough to drive me to kill. :p

And yes, now back to iPad.

Yes, back to iPad which is the focus of my attention too much these days<grin>, but I'm also very interested in understanding why some find their given names perfect as they are, and some are happier mutating them or having them mutated for them.
 
Yeah, I'm pissed they didn't create a whole new OS for this new device too! :mad:

Which OS were you hoping they'd put on this device? Existing or new? :rolleyes:

The experience doesn't change much with a slight speed boost and reduction in form-factor. It's in the OS. How you interact with it. I expect Apple to push the limits of HCI. And build the best, most intuitive UI for that experience.

My expectations were certainly met as I didn't expect anything worthwhile from today's product annoucment. The mini only exists because there's a demand for a smaller form-factor. It's certainly not a product designed around a new vision.
 
I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that reading small text on a backlit screen improves eyesight, regardless of the resolution the text is displayed at...I mean they spend years at a time staring at printed text that's not tied to any resolution, and isn't shining a bright light directly at your face

guy.. jesus christ. im talkin about text size. Im not sayin its good for your eyes to read off a retina screen in of itself. Im talkin about merely font size on anything, not just a screen: given the choice to read small font vs large font - ESPECIALLY in regards to pixelization/blur on a screen, which its already common knowledge that retina screens significantly reduce eye strain, but regardless of this - i'm sayin readin smaller FONT (at a distance where you dont strain) in comparison to larger is better for eyesight.

Taking breaks may help backlite issue as it pertains to eyesight, but theres also been research showing that looking at a screen calibrated at 6500k during the day can be good. You can start at F.lux as a point of reference, which by the way, i recommend every single person reading this to download the program for their computer(s) (google it).

Yet somehow a retina LCD display improves your eyes. It might...might help with focus, but I doubt it's actually good for you.

never ****** said it was actually good for you. Though this is still unproven. The issue is being found to be less the lighting, more the amount of near-work vs distance-work (in terms of sight).

And the added weight? What does the Mini weigh? A little over half a pound? It's surely heavier than the touch, but I doubt it even comes close to weighing as much as your average Stephen King hardcover....which people have been reading for years.

Cool. Doesn't change the fact at all that the touch is much better for the health of your hands; hence why e-readers have all been designed with lightweight-ergonomics in mind. Given that smaller font seems ideal for eyesight, this completes my assertion that it is a "better" reader.

And since when did book-readers not complain of fatigue? ISNT THIS partly why e-readers were invented?

Even NBA players will do push ups with their fists rather than their palms + added support from trainers, to preserve the health of their hands. This is analogous to mini vs touch as a reader and you failed to address the core of my point.

The lighter touch might be better for the health of your hands overall, but I bet the difference is so small, it's barely make a measurable difference even over a span of years.

Assumptions. Still doesn't change the touch's clear advantage in this area as a reader.

And even if it's overall better for you, I don't think it'd be nearly as comfortable to use. Yeah, I can read webpages and books on my iPhone. I'd rather much read them on my iPad. Why? Larger screen. It's the "immersion" experience. I can, in fact, navigate through webpages easier with it. I have more room to maneuver, larger links, more space between text, bigger targets to hit with my finger.

This is your one legit point, and again, its debatable. You lose portability for "ease of use/pleasantness" (but u do not gain the advantages of a full-size iPad).

These are the only trade offs... Except one realy does not know how heavy a device really is holding it up for pro-longed use in comparison to another, until they use both. What i do know is the touch is lighter (5th=extraordinarily light), and smaller font likely better.

I have gotten tired reading from both books and iphones, and its not like im a weakling. Also things like arthritis, RSI, etc; these are the same health issues that have been important to be aware of in computer/any environments, and also matter to many.

Now I can't account for all tastes, nor can I say the Mini is the perfect for everyone in the world, but overall, it is a more comfortable device to use.

After all, if it weren't, why would Apple waste their time releasing the iPad?

I see this as solely a move to attempt to continue dominating a market, not because they feel they're actually providing the best computer possible. This has often been used erroneously in the past, but this time i think its true: Jobs would realy have not allowed this.

He made it clear himself when he was around, and Apple is mainly tryin to usurp M$ by making a big splash.


But if fat society rejects it (I guess because it ain't got a Hemi innit), then why bother with it at all? Why make a smaller iPad? Why not make a 15 inch one? Your logic isn't making sense here.

Anyway...I await your response.

how dense are you? I'm talkin about the comparisons in this (as someone earlier here put it, ignorant - and maybe i should have just heeded his warning) often-ridiculous thread between the touch and the minis usages, AND price points. I was unearthing a common undertone or theme within it on the "bigger is better" (fandroids?) zombieness, and how such a vapid notion can be so falsely predominant in consumers or marketing, inkling its way into actual culture.
 
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Just a question out of curiosity, not trying to hate on Apple or anything. Is there a reason why they couldn't make the iPad mini retina ppi? Is it to do with keeping it light regarding battery size, or is this just another Apple incremental update approach? Thanks.
 
Idiots everywhere.

HOLD IT with one hand. You either have your 9.7" iPad in your lap, on the stand or held with two hands. You never hold it with 1 hand for prolonged periods of time.

you USE your iphone with 1 hand.

took the words right out of my mouth. Always people complaining

Meanwhile, I have 3rd gen and want mini just cause the size lol. I want 4th gen, but I feel like Apple kinda avoided it. new A6x chip which I am sure is fast , and lighting cable ... anything else I am missing?
 
My little girl is 2 1/2 and uses my iPad 1 to play educational apps. All. The. Time. It's not too big and heavy for her.

Your girls would feel just as comfortable crawling on a 7" pad. Then of course she would not be the one who had to carry it around.
 
Just checked out the dimension of the Kindle Keyboard that my sister has. The device has about an 8" diagonal length so I was able to get a good idea of the size of the iPad mini. Not too bad, but it's small!
 
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