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I think people took what Eddy Cue said out of context. I think the HomePod itself analyzes the content of the music (how much bass, for example) and in conjunction with what it knows about the acoustics of the room it will modify the EQ settings to try and get the best sound possible.
Indeed, seems like it might be an out of context quote then.
 
I think people took what Eddy Cue said out of context. I think the HomePod itself analyzes the content of the music (how much bass, for example) and in conjunction with what it knows about the acoustics of the room it will modify the EQ settings to try and get the best sound possible.
That makes a lot more sense.
 
I honestly don't think Alexa is all that much better (if at all). I use both Siri and Alexa pretty much every day and Alexa is more rigid than Siri and doesn't handle natural language well. Most people complaining about Siri understanding them compared to Alexa don't realize that the Echos have 7 far-field microphones in them vs the one tiny speakerphone mic in their phone. That's why people are astonished the HomePod hears them so well.

HomeKit is also waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more advanced than anything Google or Amazon offers, it's a shame it doesn't support that many devices natively.

Google Assistant is quite good though.

I agree... people don't talk about all the times Alexa just craps out. They're all pretty frustrating to use as general assistants IMO, and apparently the majority of smart speaker owners agree, which is why most people use smart speakers for music and a handful of other requests, like weather, timers and alarms and some home automation which Siri handles very well.
 
To everyone saying “oh they’ll add Spotify support eventually” you need to understand how big and complicated a project that would be.

The HomePod uses data from Apple Analytics to tune the EQ for each individual song - this info comes directly from Apple Music.

Additionally, AirPlay 2 connects directly to Apple Music on every device when you ask it to play a song remotely. And, when they add multi room support every device will be pulling synchronization data from Apple Music while it is streaming songs.

AM is pretty deeply interwoven in how the HomePod functions when playing music, I’m not sure how interested Apple is in building such complex frameworks to support their competitors. It would likely need Spotify to implement some specific API’s for it to function as well as it does now.

I would be very surprised if 3rd party music support is on their radar at all right now, and any tighter integrations they add in the future will just push that goal farther out of reach.

Where did you learn this? Does Apple Analytics also know the acoustics of your room and your taste?
 
While I have already invested in Amazon Echo for my home, as an avid Apple user I could be persuaded to convert... with a couple of functional improvements. To my mind, the following things are missing and should be obvious.

1. Like the TV, this is a community/shared device. Also like the TV, it doesn't understand multiple users without jumping through hoops. iPhones, iPads and Mac could be considered 'personal' devices, but the HomePod is most definitely not. It absolutely must distinguish between multiple users and respond accordingly.

2. Given the quality versus price-point, investing in a pair of HomePods for a living room is probably in line with a 'decent' receiver and surround speaker system. HOWEVER, Apple is not the only source for entertainment, so there absolutely must be a way to leverage that investment for playing content from non-Apple sources. I'm specifically thinking disc players (BluRay) and television (whether Cable or OTA), but can easily see other sources. Even a line-in for karaoke at home! :)

3. Apple has traditionally started with a very limited feature set then expanded over time. In the past that worked well and has resulted in some incredible technologies. HOWEVER, given the number of good competitors in the market this approach has already put Apple behind the curve, at least when comparing feature sets. If we wait a year between incremental improvements Apple will never catch up. There needs to be a robust, open ecosystem for integration with the HomePod.
 
Honest question here:
What makes Cortana, Google, and Amazon “smarter” than Siri? Aside from being able to order stuff, what truly separates other “smart” servants from Siri?
I ask because when I ask for lights to turned on, they are. When I ask for weather, I get it. When I dictate a message, 96.87% of the time, it’s what I said. In word and grammar.
So what is that makes Siri “years” behind?
I have tried Cortana and Google, and neither, in my experiences, seems “smarter” than Siri.
Please provide real world results.

Even for simple stuff Siri is beyond dumb.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sirifail
 
Mine has arrived, throughly disappointed in it. Sound is as I feared from a consumer speaker, veiled, muddy, boomy, no top end, smeary - there's no detail. It's the same horrible sound signature that Bose, B&W (Some fella from B&W designed Homepod's sound), H&K, Sonos and all those crap sound bars and blue tooth speakers have.

I feel it has the potential to be EQ'ed better, but there's no EQ option!

I'm sure it's fine for your average home listener who'll think it's good "good bass" and goes loud for it's size. But I was hoping for a lot more - no way would I buy two of these for stereo sound when you can get a pair of Elac book shelves for that price.

I am not surprised at all as I was not expecting a tiny speaker to perform well (not my experience). It looks like people might have been misled by the early reviewers (perhaps inadvertently) about the sound quality. All the praise (if genuine) was not put in the context properly. It appears that they all were just comparing the sound quality to the one for Home Assistants (Echo, Google Home) which is a very low standard. Many first customers seems to be happy though. This probably has to do with the fact that by now we have a couple of generations of people who grew up on "mobile" music and have not been exposed to a good quality audio.
 
Were you using Apple Music to play the same song via AirPlay? Because that isn't really AirPlaying. Try YouTube or Spotify (if you have it).
Using Youtube to test sound quality is dumb.
You can use Apple Music (streamed) then download the song to your phone and using Airplay from there. I think that would work.
 
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It's from something Eddy Cue said in an interview: https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/07/eddy-cue-pollstar-conference/

But @deanthedev may be right in that it's just a quote taken out of context.

Interesting. Obviously they can use something to figure out the music genre and go with the appropriate presets (those available in the typical in-app EQs). This could be an OK convenience feature but only if it is optional. Apple trying to pretend that they know what's best for everybody is becoming too annoying though. And this definitely does not explain why they could not accommodate other sources. Simple flat EQ would do for foreign sources (and providing custom EQ would be even better).
 
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Too bad it only works inside Apples suffocatingly small walled garden. If the audio quality is as good as people are saying I would happily buy one just for that, ignoring Siri, but you just can't play nice can you Apple? I'm sure theres a lot of audiophiles using Android who would have bought one too, but nope, only Apple hardware and Apple software.

Honestly, even though I'm not particularly interested in home automation or digital assistants, Apple feels like they're 4 years behind everyone else. Theres tons of products that work with Google and Amazons offerings, often with cross compatibility, not to mention Google has a pile of free API's that work on inexpensive hardware like the Raspberry Pi, making home automation for the DIYer a dream and making 3rd party development a dream.

I feel like Apples walled garden approach is going to really slow down the adoption rate and availability of Homekit compatible hardware and software, and Homekit might end up like Windows phone.

why are you even on macrumors
 
There's been a lot of hyperbole about the HomePod, as there always is with the launch of any new Apple product. I haven't heard myself one but from reading the early reviews, it sounds like it's a decent sounding speaker for it's size and price. The Play 5 costs $500 so it's interesting to hear comparisons with the HomePod.

Apple's last speaker system garnered similar positive reviews - a company I used to work for had one in their art department and it sounded great. It's crazy that there is an active market for them still today, although I'm guessing the HomePod may have an effect on it. I'm considering getting a couple of HomePods, even if it means effectively walking away from the multi-thousand dollar 10 speaker, multi-room system I already have. I love the idea of a couple of small, fairly inconspicuous HomePods simplifying our music listening, adding in some basic Siri functionality on top of it.
 
Too bad it only works inside Apples suffocatingly small walled garden. If the audio quality is as good as people are saying I would happily buy one just for that, ignoring Siri, but you just can't play nice can you Apple? I'm sure theres a lot of audiophiles using Android who would have bought one too, but nope, only Apple hardware and Apple software.

Honestly, even though I'm not particularly interested in home automation or digital assistants, Apple feels like they're 4 years behind everyone else. Theres tons of products that work with Google and Amazons offerings, often with cross compatibility, not to mention Google has a pile of free API's that work on inexpensive hardware like the Raspberry Pi, making home automation for the DIYer a dream and making 3rd party development a dream.

I feel like Apples walled garden approach is going to really slow down the adoption rate and availability of Homekit compatible hardware and software, and Homekit might end up like Windows phone.

Apple just doesn't understand why you would want to use such a crappy device. Your bad choices aren't conceivable in sane peoples minds.
 
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I just returned from the Apple store, ready to buy one of these bad boys. I'm very glad I went and listened to it first. The sound is good, no doubt; but it isn't great. I'm no audiophile, by the way. While the bass sounded very clear and not muddy at all, it was the most prominent thing coming out of this speaker. I listened through a few tracks. Mids and highs also very clear, along with vocals, but they get lost very, very easily behind that bass. Considering where Siri is, the sound of this thing, and the cost, I'm a solid 'no' for the HomePod. Obviously, everyone's ears and use case is different, but if you can listen before you buy, it might be worth it. If bass is your thing, you will like it. It is impressive how much they are pumping out from such a small package.
 
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I am not surprised at all as I was not expecting a tiny speaker to perform well (not my experience). It looks like people might have been misled by the early reviewers (perhaps inadvertently) about the sound quality. All the praise (if genuine) was not put in the context properly. It appears that they all were just comparing the sound quality to the one for Home Assistants (Echo, Google Home) which is a very low standard. Many first customers seems to be happy though. This probably has to do with the fact that by now we have a couple of generations of people who grew up on "mobile" music and have not been exposed to a good quality audio.

Say what? It has been compared to many other speakers in its price range (Sonos comes to mind as well as the Google Home Max) and almost everyone says it's better than anything at its price (or even higher priced). How is that misleading people?

What's misleading is when people compare the HomePod to much more expensive discrete home audio gear, and conclude that it sounds lousy. Or you claiming it was only tested against cheap devices (Echo or Google Home).
 
It would be nice if this thread was actually about your first impression with your home pod.

I don’t care about everyone’s opinions on Siri and why you’re not buying one.

Moderation on this forum sucks

:p This guy
 
Does the HomePod have bass and treble controls? Or any other ways to adjust how you listen to audio? EQ perhaps?
 
I just returned from the Apple store, ready to buy one of these bad boys. I'm very glad I went and listened to it first. The sound is good, no doubt; but it isn't great. I'm no audiophile, by the way. While the bass sounded very clear and not muddy at all, it was the most prominent thing coming out of this speaker. I listened through a few tracks. Mids and highs also very clear, along with vocals, but they get lost very, very easily behind that bass. Considering where Siri is, the sound of this thing, and the cost, I'm a solid 'no' for the HomePod. Obviously, everyone's ears and use case is different, but if you can listen before you buy, it might be worth it. If bass is your thing, you will like it. It is impressive how much they are pumping out from such a small package.
I can't understand why you wouldn't listen in your home, not an Apple Store? Isn't that the way to get a realistic appraisal?
 
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My HomePod arrived a couple of hours ago and my overall impression is that I’m impressed: The sound is brilliant, crisp clear no distortion at high or low volumes. Siri is VERY fast and I’ve had no problems with it carrying out tasks such as setting alarms, answering questions about the weather and so on. The build quality is also brilliant as ever for an Apple product.

Personally I couldn’t be more happy and will be buying another one for my home office in due course.
 
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Well, after hearing mine, two others in my office ordered one. And one guy got one as a wedding gift for his daughter. Delivery next Wednesday.

Some may think they don't sound good, but we were all amazed. I guess there aren't any audiophiles in my office. ;)
 
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